Lomachenko vs. Lopez - Official Scorecards/CompuBox

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The Lederman card is disgace and even the Weisfeld one is too wide.

No one gave the 2nd round to Lomachenko, huh?

I scored it even. I agree with the Ward card. I've already rewatched the fight and have the same picture of it.

The stats are misleading. Yes, Lopez noticeably outworked Loma, but there wasn't so many significant punches from him. It looks like, they counted a lot of blocked shots.

Objectively Lopez looked like a one to press the action, but they both scored about the same amount of telling blows. Lopez was better in the first half of the fight, but he blew the 2nd round clearly. Loma was better in the second half of the fight, but he lost the final round, which is very bad in such situation.

I'm not against Lopez being proclaimed a winner, because with such ambiguous picture he looked like a one who wanted it more and dictated the fight, while Loma looked hesitant. However, the nature of Lopez' win is overblown. Probably that's just a matter of Lopez being a huge underdog prior to the fight.

It was a very close fight. The man with more will to take it won. And probably that's fair.
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More will and more skill.
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116-112 score was about right. Ward/ESPN announcers were Loma fanboys
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giacomino wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:31 116-112 score was about right. Ward/ESPN announcers were Loma fanboys
116-112 was perfect. This was one of those fights that was pretty easy to score. 1-7 and 12 were Lopez, 8-11 were Loma.

There is NO WAY that Loma outfought him in round 2. He fought about 30 secounds of the round while Lopez fought all 3 minutes and clearly out landed him in the round.
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The Great John L wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:56
giacomino wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:31 116-112 score was about right. Ward/ESPN announcers were Loma fanboys
116-112 was perfect. This was one of those fights that was pretty easy to score. 1-7 and 12 were Lopez, 8-11 were Loma.

There is NO WAY that Loma outfought him in round 2. He fought about 30 secounds of the round while Lopez fought all 3 minutes and clearly out landed him in the round.
:TU: When I heard Ward saying Loma won the 2nd like it was a consensus option, I was, like, “Did miss something?”
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If I remember correctly, Lopez had a good start in the 2nd round, but after its opening minute the round went quite eventless. Loma tagged Lopez somewhere in the middle of it and then had a strong finish of the round. That's why I'm giving it to Lomachenko.

After that round I was like, OK, Loma had given away the 1st, yet calculated Lopez in the 2nd, but then came the surprise.
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All three cards were disgusting
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Duran1970 wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 11:12 All three cards were disgusting
Did you score it yourself?

What did you come up with?

I think with this kind of fight, we’re gonna have a huge range or different scorecards.

People score fights differently. Some look at overall volume, accuracy, power shots, jab,

There was maybe one or two close rounds.

Most of the ones Loma lost, he gave away.
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Maybe I overstated by saying ALL cards..two were bad..I can live with 116-112 kind of..
I got no problem Lopez getting it. 6-5-1 Lopez watching it live is how I had it .will rewatch later but I doubt I can make a case for Loma getting it..but 11-1 and 9-3 is a joke
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Gave 1-6 to Lopez 7-11 to Loma round 12 Lopez 7-5. In 1-6 there wasn't dominate rounds. I'm not arguing any rounds other than round 12.
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The Great John L wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:56
giacomino wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:31 116-112 score was about right. Ward/ESPN announcers were Loma fanboys
116-112 was perfect. This was one of those fights that was pretty easy to score. 1-7 and 12 were Lopez, 8-11 were Loma.

There is NO WAY that Loma outfought him in round 2. He fought about 30 secounds of the round while Lopez fought all 3 minutes and clearly out landed him in the round.
Well said. Ward and a lot of people on the internet gave 2 and/or 7 to Loma. All three professional judges did not, and the compubox calculations suggest that Lopez carried both rounds.
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Julie Lederman's card is absurd - she gave Lopez rounds 8, 9, and 10.

I thought Lopez deserved a close win, but Lederman's card was far removed from reality.

How can boxing rid itself of judges who don't know how to score a fight correctly?
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Perkin Warbeck wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 12:22 Julie Lederman's card is absurd - she gave Lopez rounds 8, 9, and 10.

I thought Lopez deserved a close win, but Lederman's card was far removed from reality.

How can boxing rid itself of judges who don't know how to score a fight correctly?
Most of her cards in the bubble that I’ve paid attention to have been alright. This one is truly bad.
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bobcatbox wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 12:22
The Great John L wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:56
giacomino wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:31 116-112 score was about right. Ward/ESPN announcers were Loma fanboys
116-112 was perfect. This was one of those fights that was pretty easy to score. 1-7 and 12 were Lopez, 8-11 were Loma.

There is NO WAY that Loma outfought him in round 2. He fought about 30 secounds of the round while Lopez fought all 3 minutes and clearly out landed him in the round.
Well said. Ward and a lot of people on the internet gave 2 and/or 7 to Loma. All three professional judges did not, and the compubox calculations suggest that Lopez carried both rounds.
You don’t use compubox to pick a winner of a round.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 13:13
bobcatbox wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 12:22
The Great John L wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 08:56

116-112 was perfect. This was one of those fights that was pretty easy to score. 1-7 and 12 were Lopez, 8-11 were Loma.

There is NO WAY that Loma outfought him in round 2. He fought about 30 secounds of the round while Lopez fought all 3 minutes and clearly out landed him in the round.
Well said. Ward and a lot of people on the internet gave 2 and/or 7 to Loma. All three professional judges did not, and the compubox calculations suggest that Lopez carried both rounds.
You don’t use compubox to pick a winner of a round.
No but it helps when you’re going back to criticize a scorecard. All three pro judges agreed that Lopez won both rounds. As well as a good number of observers. That’s good enough for me to feel confident Lopez won them.
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Absolutely pathetic output from Loma, teo had him scurred
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 18 Oct 2020, 13:13You don’t use compubox to pick a winner of a round.
You're right. You pay attention to who dictates the fight, controls the ring and lands the more and in this case harder punches. No one needed punchstats to see that Lopez completely controlled the ring in the first 7 rounds of this fight, including landing just about the only significant punches thrown, not just landed. And I'm sure just about everybody would agree that the final round was lopsided for Lopez.

116-112 Lopez. Very easy fight to score.
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116-112 or 115-113 for Lopez is how I seen it. Round 2 was the closest round of the fight that could have gone either way IMO, the rest were relatively easy to score. 1,3,4,5,6,7 & 12 were clear Lopez rounds. Rounds 8,9,10 &11 where clear Loma rounds. I think most objective people had similar scores.
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Why on earth are you guys worried about scorecards? Arum talked this over with the judges before the fight and the judges did as he wanted. Lomachenko has cost Arum alot of money and he was never going to become the superstar that Arum needed him to be so therefor he is going to try his luck with Teofimo instead.

Looking at the stats it was the logical decision. Loma had maybe 3-4 years left before going on the slide. Teo has 12. Loma only had some fringe eastern eurpoean supporters. Teo has that whole latin lion and new yorker going for him.
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We got an American stud running the show, father of loma
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I had it 115-113 for Lopez. I haven't watched it again, but to me, the only unclear round was round 2. I scored that round for Lopez. If I had saw that round for Lomachenko, I would've scored it a draw.

No excuse for Lederman's card though. That is a damn shame. She's clearly unqualified for the job. Nepotism at its finest!
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