Round-by-Round: Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Teofimo Lopez - October 17, 2020

[giacomino]

I'm against the rematch just because there are too much of them recently and they slow the sport down, which is especially bad now, after the lockdown slowed it down.

Give Lopez either Davis-Santa Cruz winner or Haney-Gamboa winner (which means Davis or Haney).

Tend to agree. It was an interesting fight once Loma started fighting but it wasn't one I am desperate to see a rematch for. I'd like to see Loma vs Davis after Davis beats Santa Cruz

[DrDuke]

I'm against the rematch just because there are too much of them recently and they slow the sport down, which is especially bad now, after the lockdown slowed it down.

Give Lopez either Davis-Santa Cruz winner or Haney-Gamboa winner (which means Davis or Haney).

Tend to agree. It was an interesting fight once Loma started fighting but it wasn't one I am desperate to see a rematch for. I'd like to see Loma vs Davis after Davis beats Santa Cruz

They should mix it up with Lopez, Davis, Haney, Lomachenko, Garcia. Only Lopez-Loma shouldn't fight each other next in this Super Five, as they've just done it.

[Duran1970]

Great fight. Can't wait for the rematch. Questionable couple of cards

I disagree oogie that was not a great fight..it picked up in the 2nd half and had intrigue but definitely not great.

[Duran1970]

117-111 is too wide as well.

X2

[jujigatame]

I think 117-111 was an acceptable scorecard. Loma won very few rounds definitively.

[jujigatame]

Also rematch makes sense because Lopez/Tank will probably be nigh impossible to make happen, and I have my doubts they're gonna want Haney to go straight from Gamboa to Lopez at age 22.

Loma was a dominant champ and deserves the rematch, plus it will be super interesting to see if he can adjust his approach and be more aggressive earlier.

[oogiebe]

Great fight. Can't wait for the rematch. Questionable couple of cards

I disagree oogie that was not a great fight..it picked up in the 2nd half and had intrigue but definitely not great.

I thought the first half's tension provided excitement in anticipation for what was coming up. The second half had more action and the 12th round showed a gutsy kid pounding it out. To me it was a great fight. Great development throughout.

[lazboy]

This fight reminded me of Jermaine Taylor vs. Bernard Hopkins

Or like Kovalev-Ward I, with the correct winner this time.

Hope you guys don't think this is funny because I'm being serious. This fight reminded me of a reverse version of Mayweather Canelo.

[detamour]

This fight reminded me of Jermaine Taylor vs. Bernard Hopkins

Or like Kovalev-Ward I, with the correct winner this time.

Hope you guys don't think this is funny because I'm being serious. This fight reminded me of a reverse version of Mayweather Canelo.

One difference, Floyd had Canelo under total control unlike Lopez1

[lazboy]

Or like Kovalev-Ward I, with the correct winner this time.

Hope you guys don't think this is funny because I'm being serious. This fight reminded me of a reverse version of Mayweather Canelo.

One difference, Floyd had Canelo under total control unlike Lopez1

Yea that's fair.

[Thomastearns]

Once again the Vegas mafia strikes.

In a tremendously close fight going into the last Teofimo Lopez pulled out the stops and showed real heart.

Like most of us I expected Loma with his greater experience and skillset to overcome his younger rivals size, reach and power advantages.

Maybe we all underestimated the kid. He was quick, very quick. In fact, no slower than Loma himself. Maybe that Bruce Lee T shirt he was sporting wasn't just for show.

Loma was the more skilled fighter but Lopez was just bigger, stronger and had reach and youth on his side. Even when Lopez dropped his hands and seemed shot (pre the deliberate low-blow), Teo retained just enough menace to keep Loma at bay.

Loma needs to get back to 130 and start stoping opponents again if he wants to win again. He will never win a decision in Vegas against the cartel's favoured A sider.

No eastern European boxer can - they all need a knockout. Ask GGG, ask Kovalev. Now ask Lomachenko. I hope you're listening Mr Pulev.

The cards were stacked against Lomachenko from the start. The cartel got what it wanted - their chosen future cash cow - and will have zero interest in arranging any rematch.

Julie Lederman's absurd scorecard is second only to Adalaide Byrde's. Neither inspiring any confidence in women judges. So inept they couldn't even fake a legit card.

It could have gone either way in the eyes of many watching - but not the judges. They had already decided that the A side was going to win come what may. Ring generalship obviously meant far less to them than delivering what Bob Arum and Top Rank demanded.

As for the outcry, where was it? Ward was surprised, he would be having them level after 10, but somehow he managed to restrain his protestations. Like the rest of them he knows where his future bread is buttered.

Dissenting voices such as Atlas and Malignaggi have been banished. Others like Montero will never get accepted onto boxing's gravy train.

It's almost a waste of time watching any Vegas fight that doesn't end in a stoppage. You know what the result will be.

It's downright foolish to bet against the Vegas 'A sider'

[Ruthless-RKO]

Pedraza had it close.. had Loma winning.

[bobcatbox]

Once again the Vegas mafia strikes.

In a tremendously close fight going into the last Teofimo Lopez pulled out the stops and showed real heart.

Like most of us I expected Loma with his greater experience and skillset to overcome his younger rivals size, reach and power advantages.

Maybe we all underestimated the kid. He was quick, very quick. In fact, no slower than Loma himself. Maybe that Bruce Lee T shirt he was sporting wasn't just for show.

Loma was the more skilled fighter but Lopez was just bigger, stronger and had reach and youth on his side. Even when Lopez dropped his hands and seemed shot (pre the deliberate low-blow), Teo retained just enough menace to keep Loma at bay.

Loma needs to get back to 130 and start stoping opponents again if he wants to win again. He will never win a decision in Vegas against the cartel's favoured A sider.

No eastern European boxer can - they all need a knockout. Ask GGG, ask Kovalev. Now ask Lomachenko. I hope you're listening Mr Pulev.

The cards were stacked against Lomachenko from the start. The cartel got what it wanted - their chosen future cash cow - and will have zero interest in arranging any rematch.

Julie Lederman's absurd scorecard is second only to Adalaide Byrde's. Neither inspiring any confidence in women judges. So inept they couldn't even fake a legit card.

It could have gone either way in the eyes of many watching - but not the judges. They had already decided that the A side was going to win come what may. Ring generalship obviously meant far less to them than delivering what Bob Arum and Top Rank demanded.

As for the outcry, where was it? Ward was surprised, he would be having them level after 10, but somehow he managed to restrain his protestations. Like the rest of them he knows where his future bread is buttered.

Dissenting voices such as Atlas and Malignaggi have been banished. Others like Montero will never get accepted onto boxing's gravy train.

It's almost a waste of time watching any Vegas fight that doesn't end in a stoppage. You know what the result will be.

It's downright foolish to bet against the Vegas 'A sider'

A little perplexed by this considering Loma was the betting favorite and “A” side in the fight. Are you seriously suggesting that Vegas rigged a fight against itself? Or do you believe that organized crime has once again invaded boxing? Both are baseless claims.

The shame in Lederman’s bad card is that it will give rise to this kind of nonsense post-fight accusations.

Does anyone seriously think Loma won that fight?

[Boxingguru75]

Rewatched this morn. Had it a draw. No way Loma wins due to inactivity. But Lopez landed very very little if you go back and watch. Lederman’s card is all time bad. Did anyone not have Loma winning 8-11? He landed all the punches. Loved how gutty Lopez was last round and have zero problem with him getting a close decision.

Vegas has always had weird scores. Delahoya vs Trinidad. A lot of money being bet. Julie Lederman should be at the least investigated for that card.

[oogiebe]

Rewatched this morn. Had it a draw. No way Loma wins due to inactivity. But Lopez landed very very little if you go back and watch. Lederman’s card is all time bad. Did anyone not have Loma winning 8-11? He landed all the punches. Loved how gutty Lopez was last round and have zero problem with him getting a close decision.

Vegas has always had weird scores. Delahoya vs Trinidad. A lot of money being bet. Julie Lederman should be at the least investigated for that card.

No shenanigans here. Big betters backed Loma. All the little bets (and tons more of them) favored Lopez.

[Onetimeonly]

Rewatched this morn. Had it a draw. No way Loma wins due to inactivity. But Lopez landed very very little if you go back and watch. Lederman’s card is all time bad. Did anyone not have Loma winning 8-11? He landed all the punches. Loved how gutty Lopez was last round and have zero problem with him getting a close decision.

Vegas has always had weird scores. Delahoya vs Trinidad. A lot of money being bet. Julie Lederman should be at the least investigated for that card.

Lopez landed a lot in 8-11, I gave loma those rounds but he was under heavy counter fire the whole way.

No investigation, the right guy won. Her card was better than yours.

[Onetimeonly]

Here come the loma boys!

[Trent]

I had the fight 8-4 lopez

Loma was schooling lopez a bit from rounds 8-11.

I think loma takes the rematch

[Onetimeonly]

I had the fight 8-4 lopez

Loma was schooling lopez a bit from rounds 8-11.

I think loma takes the rematch

He could, I think it's more likely his aggression gets him stopped but if he presses the whole time and lasts he can get teo late.

[lazboy]

He's a super skilled boxer who wasn't even throwing a jab

[mcrow42]

Man, I agree with the winner but those scorecards were pretty terrible.

I had it 116-112 for Lopez but Lopez winning by 6+ rounds is ridiculous

That judge scoring that fight 119-109 shouldn't be judging fights.

[Enlightened-One]

[Thomastearns]

Once again the Vegas mafia strikes.

In a tremendously close fight going into the last Teofimo Lopez pulled out the stops and showed real heart.

Like most of us I expected Loma with his greater experience and skillset to overcome his younger rivals size, reach and power advantages.

Maybe we all underestimated the kid. He was quick, very quick. In fact, no slower than Loma himself. Maybe that Bruce Lee T shirt he was sporting wasn't just for show.

Loma was the more skilled fighter but Lopez was just bigger, stronger and had reach and youth on his side. Even when Lopez dropped his hands and seemed shot (pre the deliberate low-blow), Teo retained just enough menace to keep Loma at bay.

Loma needs to get back to 130 and start stoping opponents again if he wants to win again. He will never win a decision in Vegas against the cartel's favoured A sider.

No eastern European boxer can - they all need a knockout. Ask GGG, ask Kovalev. Now ask Lomachenko. I hope you're listening Mr Pulev.

The cards were stacked against Lomachenko from the start. The cartel got what it wanted - their chosen future cash cow - and will have zero interest in arranging any rematch.

Julie Lederman's absurd scorecard is second only to Adalaide Byrde's. Neither inspiring any confidence in women judges. So inept they couldn't even fake a legit card.

It could have gone either way in the eyes of many watching - but not the judges. They had already decided that the A side was going to win come what may. Ring generalship obviously meant far less to them than delivering what Bob Arum and Top Rank demanded.

As for the outcry, where was it? Ward was surprised, he would be having them level after 10, but somehow he managed to restrain his protestations. Like the rest of them he knows where his future bread is buttered.

Dissenting voices such as Atlas and Malignaggi have been banished. Others like Montero will never get accepted onto boxing's gravy train.

It's almost a waste of time watching any Vegas fight that doesn't end in a stoppage. You know what the result will be.

It's downright foolish to bet against the Vegas 'A sider'

A little perplexed by this considering Loma was the betting favorite and “A” side in the fight. Are you seriously suggesting that Vegas rigged a fight against itself? Or do you believe that organized crime has once again invaded boxing? Both are baseless claims.

The shame in Lederman’s bad card is that it will give rise to this kind of nonsense post-fight accusations.

Does anyone seriously think Loma won that fight?

Perhaps a simple misunderstanding here.

By A side I mean from the promoters/ business cartel angle. Boxings A side is nothing to do with sport and everything to do with future profits.

Loma was the clear pre-fight favourite in most of the fans eyes but it was an open secret that Arum/Top Rank/Vegas etc would all obviously benefit the most from a Teofimo Lopez victory.

I'm not arguing that Lomachenko deserved the win, but it was a very close fight in the ring.

Unfortunately the cards told another story.

They tell us that only way Lomachenko was walking away with the belts on Saturday was via a stoppage. [Ditto GGG v Canelo 1+2 ditto Kovalev v Ward 1+2.]

The judging once again serves to underline the commercial subtext behind most Las Vegas fights. It's got to the point where it's now expected.

Of course there will be no rematch. Why would they risk it again?

We've been arguing about this for decades now, but it really is high time that something was done about the appointment and assessment of boxing officials.

Maybe the last word should go to Bob Arum who can now safely reach for his wallet and breathe a sigh of relief having got exactly what he wanted.

"Lopez won, 7-5 is way I scored it. I can see 8-4, that's a possibility. But you can't score it 11 rounds to 1 and say you watched the fight,"

"Ninth, 10th and 11th weren't close. I would advise any fighter that I have to ask for the commission not to appoint Julie Lederman."

[conan_the_cribber]

Lomachenko god given talent and a boxing brain from the discount bin at Walmart. Lomachenko learnt nothing from his loss against Salido. You simply can't give, really give your opponent six rounds to start a fight. And if your trainer is not pushing every freaking button after you give up the first five rounds, then it's time to get a new trainer. Unbelievable incompetence.

Yes, he may have been wary of Lopez's power. But standing there and not throwing is not a solution to the problem. He had to work. He had to give Lopez (and the judges) something to think about. He took zero stamina out of Lopez in those rounds. A truly, mindboggingly stupid performance. You look at rounds nine, ten and eleven and see how this fight could've panned out, if he wore out Lopez earlier.

Oh well. Back to the drawing board for Loma.

[ValMar]

Lomachenko god given talent and a boxing brain from the discount bin at Walmart. Lomachenko learnt nothing from his loss against Salido. You simply can't give, really give your opponent six rounds to start a fight. And if your trainer is not pushing every freaking button after you give up the first five rounds, then it's time to get a new trainer. Unbelievable incompetence.

Yes, he may have been wary of Lopez's power. But standing there and not throwing is not a solution to the problem. He had to work. He had to give Lopez (and the judges) something to think about. He took zero stamina out of Lopez in those rounds. A truly, mindboggingly stupid performance. You look at rounds nine, ten and eleven and see how this fight could've panned out, if he wore out Lopez earlier.

Oh well. Back to the drawing board for Loma.