Loma Had Another Surgery on Right Shoulder on Monday

[El Intocable 1971]

Good luck trying to have the last word with EO, he's never been wrong about anything in the entire history of this forum!

I didn’t think the dictionary definition of the word “excuse” was even up for debate?

Has leftist identity politics progressed to the point that the contents of English language dictionaries are now deemed as being hate speech?

Do people that frequent this forum need a “safe space” to shield themselves from deeply sensitive and upsetting subject matter, such as the true meaning of commonly used English language words?

To answer your questions EO:

1) No it isn't
2) No it hasn't
3) No they don't

Let me know if you have any further questions.

Enjoy your evening!

[jamesmcdonnell]

Sour grapes seemed to be because he thought it was a close fight. He is right, it was a much closer fight than some of those scorecards showed. He didn't say anything about being injured post-fight just that you thought he won. Realistically, he probably won 5 rounds and there were probably 1-2 rounds that could have gone either way. So it was reasonable to be perplexed by the scoring, particularly the 119-111 card.

You're just one of those guys that wants to read into things what you want to. No matter what he did or said you would be saying he's making excuses.

I believe if he comes back healthy he probably beats Lopez in a rematch, but we will see.

Good luck trying to have the last word with EO, he's never been wrong about anything in the entire history of this forum!

As to his claim that the Compubox figures prove he wasn't injured, wasn't Loma injured early in the fight against Linares only to go on and get the stoppage? Was that a fake injury too?

Amen to that. Guy is pathological.

[mcrow42]

Good luck trying to have the last word with EO, he's never been wrong about anything in the entire history of this forum!

I didn’t think the dictionary definition of the word “excuse” was even up for debate?

Has leftist identity politics progressed to the point that the contents of English language dictionaries are now deemed as being hate speech?

Do people that frequent this forum need a “safe space” to shield themselves from deeply sensitive and upsetting subject matter, such as the true meaning of commonly used English language words?

I can tell you I'm no lefty, I'm a very conservative Catholic so don't try that BS with me.

I do agree that the left has changed the meaning of many words to push their agenda though.

excused; excusing
Definition of excuse (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1a: to make apology for
b: to try to remove blame from
2: to forgive entirely or disregard as of trivial import : regard as excusable
graciously excused his tardiness
3a: to grant exemption or release to
was excused from jury duty
b: to allow to leave
excused the class
4: to serve as excuse for : JUSTIFY
nothing can excuse such neglect

No forgiveness, apology, exemption or justify the loss was offered by Loma's folks. They simply stated he was injured prior to the fight and had surgery. They didn't say he would have won the fight or anything close to it if he were healthy. If it was an excuse it would have been, "well, i wasn't 100% but if i were I would have won". No such thing was said or hinted at, they just announced he had surgery and explained it happened prior to the fight.

I will not respond to you anymore on the subject because damn near the whole world can see through this "excuse" BS.

[H8Usernames]

Before this fight I couldnt have given a rats ass about Lomachenko. Some overhyped Ukranian being hyped up on forums by his compatriots and beating up on poor undersized Rigondoux.

Now however I'm a fan. Loma fought the right fight if he would have pressed the action earlier then he would probably have gotten knocked out. The sholder injury probably made things worse and perhaps it was even the deciding factor. Also the natural weight for Loma is 130 while Teo us most comfortable at 135. If the tables would have been turned and Loma would have enjoyed a natural 135 frame while fighting a fighter like Teo that would have a 130 frame Teo would never have gotten out of that fight on his feet.

The scores were ofcourse nonsense and predecided but I think that a rematch isnt neccessary, all Loma could do in a rematch would be to prove that his opponent acctually sucks. Loma should go back to 130 like he has said and enjoy the rest of his career. Arum won't let him anywhere near his potentially new cashcow anyway.

[Enlightened-One]

They simply stated he was injured prior to the fight and had surgery.

If it was an excuse it would have been, "well, i wasn't 100% but if i were I would have won". No such thing was said or hinted at, they just announced he had surgery and explained it happened prior to the fight.

What do the following fighters have in common with Vasyl Lomachenko: Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao, David Haye, Deontay Wilder, David Lemieux and Kell Brook?

These guys or their handlers all cited injuries immediately after their losses. It’s irrelevant however they phrased their explanations, they were using excuses.

That's not to say their justifications were or weren't valid, but that's precisely what happened - excuses were used.

And if you've been following the sport of boxing long enough, you'll realise it's rare for fighters to compete inside the ring without carrying some sort of niggle or injury.

However, it's not uncommon to only be informed about a fighter's injury until immediately after they've suffered a defeat.

To paraphrase Klimas’ comments to ESPN: "We didn't want to look like we were looking for excuses or something, but... Lomachenko lost a week of training and sparring... he was feeling a sharp pain in his right shoulder... and we wanted him out of the fight... Lomachenko was suffering from the same injury from the second round of his decision loss to Teofimo Lopez..."

Read the interview transcript. I'm not misrepresenting his words. That's what he said.

Also, didn't Lomachenko claim he was 100% healthy immediately before the Lopez fight?

“I never showed 100% my skill because always there was a little problem,” said Lomachenko. “My fight with [Jorge] Linares, I had a problem with my shoulder. If you remember [Jose] Pedraza, it was my first fight after [shoulder] surgery.

“And [Anthony] Crolla, I broke my hand, and I finished this fight. Some guys finish and say ‘no mas.’ Now I’m healthy and ready for this fight [with Teofimo], and I want to win. It will be the best fight in my pro career.

“I will put all my skill on the table, and I think it will be a very great fight,” said Lomachenko.

I also have a video of Lomachenko confirming the above.

It doesn’t matter how you window dress it, Lomachenko’s manager shared information that he knew for certain would be interpreted as an excuse, because it was.

And it doesn't matter if the "excuse" was valid or not. Because an "excuse" is still an "excuse".

Anyway, why are you ignoring Lomachenko's and Klimas' words? Do you feel their claims irrelevant to our discussion? I keep quoting them, but you won't discuss them.

[Thomastearns]

It appears that we fans have a tendency to forget accumulated wear and tear when predicting fights. We want to imagine that boxers always enter the ring at their best and near their peak.

Obviously this is not the case and actually hardly ever happens in boxing. Nathan Gorman v Daniel Dubois is the only recent one I can remember that might be the case.

Sure, there were some of us, not me sadly, who cited Loma's long amateur career as a possible negative factor going into this fight. The vast majority who voted thought Loma would win. I was one of them.

Now if we had known about the shoulder injury (shades of Pacquiao - but Loma at least got a pre-fight jab!) our voting would have been more realistic. I believed that the long Covid induced lay off would have helped Loma injury wise, but that clearly wasn't the case with Vasyl Lomachenko.

So maybe his pre-fight threats to retire were genuine?

Of course it's fair to say most boxers carry injuries going into fights but not all injuries are the same. The two main factors seem to be age and number of rounds (ring and sparring). Lomachenko, boxing wise, might be nearer to 40 than 30.

Boxers like Joe Calzaghe are to be commended for getting out before the cumulated injuries threatened to make a complete mockery of his performances inside the ring. Wise man.

David Haye openly confessed that he had fought on for years with serious back issues. Was it wise?

This is a money driven sport and the temptations to use drugs to continue fading careers must be considerable (as apart from those who just wish to plainly cheat).

With new eyes I'm not feeling good for the likes of Kell Brook, GGG (hidden injury last time?), Amir Khan, Derek Chisora, Deontay Wilder etc.

The human body can only take so much. Despite what it looks like, this is still a young man's sport.