How to make boxing better?

[H8Usernames]

The problem with boxing is that alot of these fights are predecided. Mr Nobody with his 20-10 record is never gonna get a decision vs Mr Future star at 22-0. And if the star shines bright enough then the 20-10 fighter will also have to deal with a biased referee. What ever happened to 1 on 1 and may the best man win?

The solution to this is could be more exhibition fights. This way if the bout is lets say an 8 round exhibition fight and the first two rounds suck the fight can be stopped at that time and no foul. The Aside fighter can get exposure in numerous exfights and the unwanted ones they just simply get rarely shown. Also if the aside fighter looks like he is going to get knocked out the promoter can simply stop the fight and make excuses later like scheduling, mistake, he was acctually just trying to draw him.in, blah blah who cares.

How could exfights be recorded. Very simply, fighter a has fought in 20 exfights and on 10 regular bouts. Won the regular ones 8 by ko 2 by decision so: Ex 20 W 10 ko 8 L 0. Its not a complicated system and it saves kickbacks being paid to 3 judges.

What about the two 21-14 fighters. Can their fight be made more interesting? I think so. I think that some fight should get sanctioned for 4-6 ounce gloves, more pain, more blood=more entertainment.

Then there is the huge licensing and insurance cost associated with these fights, if someone figures out a way to cut those a bit then that could be a huge step in the right direction.

[RScarf1]

So you think having exhibitions instead of official fights would make boxing better. And then you want to have 4-6 ounce gloves for some fights. Who is going to agree to that? With the first idea, you take away the risk of losing. With the second idea, it is more risky physically.

[H8Usernames]

So you think having exhibitions instead of official fights would make boxing better. And then you want to have 4-6 ounce gloves for some fights. Who is going to agree to that? With the first idea, you take away the risk of losing. With the second idea, it is more risky physically.

Perhaps there might be slightly more physical risk to eyes but as far as brain damage goes, the risk would acctually be less, more fights would be stopped on cuts than before. As for who is going to agree to that I'll agree to that. Get me a fight and some 4 ounce gloves, no problem.

The risk of losing in many cases simply isnt there to begin with, the Aside fighter is a professional fighter enjoying a size advantage and well conditioned. The judges at ringside are on his side and so is the referee. The bside fighter may be working as a delivery driver at a pizzaplace doing lots of overtime to support his family. Hell his own corner may be working for the aside guy. So its 1 vs 4-6. Thats by no means a fair fight.

Exhibition fights also help kill the stinkers, booking two guys to duke it out on a major card before the main event for 10 rounds and then the fight sucks from the first round. With the bout being a exhibition fight the crowd can be spared the 10 round stinker and the affair ended.

Boxing is really WWE anyway 1 vs 6 or worse even and ofcourse the politically correct way to fix this is with tougher regulations which eliminate the mismatches and corruptio. This communistic approach will never work just like the soviet union was never going to function. Boxing is violence with skill for entertainment and cash. We should embrace the capitalistic market nature of boxing and give it an unhindered opportunity to flourish.

And how valuable are these official decisions anyway? Dont most recognize a Chisora win vs Helenius? The judges didnt see it that way, Chisora was even rewarded with a Vitaly showdown for his effort and then a fight vs David Haye, all very financially rewarding bouts. Meanwhile a Chisora conqueror stood on the sideline, unable to get a big fight.

[littlepug]

Bottom line is we watch boxing for good fights, we can’t guarantee that but we should be getting stacked well matched cards each and every time.

[H8Usernames]

Bottom line is we watch boxing for good fights, we can’t guarantee that but we should be getting stacked well matched cards each and every time.

That certainly isnt my bottom line.

[oogiebe]

Bottom line is we watch boxing for good fights, we can’t guarantee that but we should be getting stacked well matched cards each and every time.

Yup. Simple.

[caldo2025]

That’s the dumbest idea I’ve ever read. I’m dumber for having almost read it all. Wtf? What happened to this site. Where are my fellas? Oogieboogie? Ban him? Can u still do that here?

[gilgamesh]

Take Mauricio Sulaiman and anybody that had anything to do with the WBC's decision to piss on the Heavyweight division, and shoot them in the head. Just for good measure set the body on fire so that they can't possibly receive medical attention and recover, and do anything else to Boxing.

Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired.

Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

[H8Usernames]

Take Mauricio Sulaiman and anybody that had anything to do with the WBC's decision to piss on the Heavyweight division, and shoot them in the head. Just for good measure set the body on fire so that they can't possibly receive medical attention and recover, and do anything else to Boxing.

Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired.

Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

These are interesting proposals excluding the bodily harm remarks towards the corrupt head of the wbc.

Lets explore them:

1. Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

This can be done, boxing orgs and promoters can achieve this. The problem is their will to do so, if you are promoting a popular fighter that has the status of champ in a jr or super division today you are not going to forbid him to call himself that on your cards

Its very unlikely that all boxing orgs are going to want to abolish these weight classes. And if 1 popular fighter is in any of them then perhaps a new box org will pop up to crown him in his weight class, gaining instant partial legitimacy.

2. All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

Should this be done by law or? The boxing orgs arent gonna go away on their own and the promoters arent going to unanimously decide to shun all but 1 together.

If its done by law then boxing comes under the control of politicians and well there doesnt excist even 1 government in the world thats not corrupt so political meddling into boxing will only lead to boxing corruption.

3. 3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired. Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

Again who is supposed to implement this? The corrupt politicians? Wont work.

[DrDuke]

At least to abolish all titles, except a single World championship belt, possibly giving a chance only to regional championship titles, and to execute Sulaiman with Bellew.

[littlepug]

Bottom line is we watch boxing for good fights, we can’t guarantee that but we should be getting stacked well matched cards each and every time.

That certainly isnt my bottom line.

What is ?

[H8Usernames]

At least to abolish all titles, except a single World championship belt, possibly giving a chance only to regional championship titles, and to execute Sulaiman with Bellew.

Again. How is this supposed to be achieved? The ranking orgs wont want it. The boxers wont want it and the promoters wont want it.

The answer is laws and politics and we ofcourse all know that there is no corruption in politics so boxing would then just become squeaky clean right? (Sarcasm)

[H8Usernames]

Bottom line is we watch boxing for good fights, we can’t guarantee that but we should be getting stacked well matched cards each and every time.

That certainly isnt my bottom line.

What is ?

That change is needed to weed out the quirks of boxing and that change is needed to make it more interesting.

Here are problems solved by these changes that I mentioned.

1. The 3 judges at ringside often become unneccessary.

2. A stinker can be stopped.

3. An otherwise boring affair between two subpar fighters can be made interesting using smaller gloves.

4. Less corruption.

[littlepug]

That certainly isnt my bottom line.

What is ?

That change is needed to weed out the quirks of boxing and that change is needed to make it more interesting.

Here are problems solved by these changes that I mentioned.

1. The 3 judges at ringside often become unneccessary.

2. A stinker can be stopped.

3. An otherwise boring affair between two subpar fighters can be made interesting using smaller gloves.

4. Less corruption.

I personally don’t think it needs making more interesting, there’s great fights on in every corner of the globe which is all I care about, the quirks as you put it have been part of the sport since day 1. Don’t understand why you think the judges are unnecessary, stinkers are gonna happen, smaller gloves are completely unnecessary. Corruption will find its way in everywhere, it’s not that big a problem. Just enjoy the sport dude, I’ve seen plenty of good fights this year so can’t complain.

[DrDuke]

At least to abolish all titles, except a single World championship belt, possibly giving a chance only to regional championship titles, and to execute Sulaiman with Bellew.

Again. How is this supposed to be achieved? The ranking orgs wont want it. The boxers wont want it and the promoters wont want it.

The answer is laws and politics and we ofcourse all know that there is no corruption in politics so boxing would then just become squeaky clean right? (Sarcasm)

And who told, that it could be achieved? Eveything will only get worse.

[Controversial]

Boxing is a dirty business, lots of mismatches, fights offered at short notice, hometown decisions, biased refs, weight stipulations, PEDs etc...etc..

[Cholo_cws]

Boxing today thrives on exploiting the ignorance and naivety of its casual fans. These fans probably believe that if they are watching something that they are being told is world level then why would they ever need to doubt that. The majority are pretty much clueless regarding the stunts the alphabets, promoters etc are up to. For this reason I think all-inclusive, non-profit 'independent' rankings such as those of the TBRB need to have prominence in the sport.

For all the hype surrounding the likes of Shakur Stevenson it should be widely known that he hasn't yet even fought another top-10 boxer (TRBR) - yet he may well soon be a two-weight 'champion.' I'm not saying he's not talented but that shouldn't be the case. Boxing journalists who maintain they love the sport should be highlighting things like that. Yes ratings are of course subjective and some people on here seem to be looking for an unattainable perfection in ratings but whatever faults the TBRB or whoever have in their top tens they don't have boxers like Trevor Bryan at #1, Tom Schwarz at #2 etc in their ratings.

[gilgamesh]

Take Mauricio Sulaiman and anybody that had anything to do with the WBC's decision to piss on the Heavyweight division, and shoot them in the head. Just for good measure set the body on fire so that they can't possibly receive medical attention and recover, and do anything else to Boxing.

Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired.

Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

These are interesting proposals excluding the bodily harm remarks towards the corrupt head of the wbc.

Lets explore them:

1. Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

This can be done, boxing orgs and promoters can achieve this. The problem is their will to do so, if you are promoting a popular fighter that has the status of champ in a jr or super division today you are not going to forbid him to call himself that on your cards

Its very unlikely that all boxing orgs are going to want to abolish these weight classes. And if 1 popular fighter is in any of them then perhaps a new box org will pop up to crown him in his weight class, gaining instant partial legitimacy.

2. All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

Should this be done by law or? The boxing orgs arent gonna go away on their own and the promoters arent going to unanimously decide to shun all but 1 together.

If its done by law then boxing comes under the control of politicians and well there doesnt excist even 1 government in the world thats not corrupt so political meddling into boxing will only lead to boxing corruption.

3. 3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired. Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

Again who is supposed to implement this? The corrupt politicians? Wont work.

Well goddamn. Thanks for all your solutions. I never would've thought that these things that have needed to be done for years, but haven't been done are unlikely.

Is Rain wet? I've always wondered. Let's explore that.

[snake33]

Naked ring girls

[oogiebe]

Naked ring girls

[H8Usernames]

What is ?

That change is needed to weed out the quirks of boxing and that change is needed to make it more interesting.

Here are problems solved by these changes that I mentioned.

1. The 3 judges at ringside often become unneccessary.

2. A stinker can be stopped.

3. An otherwise boring affair between two subpar fighters can be made interesting using smaller gloves.

4. Less corruption.

I personally don’t think it needs making more interesting, there’s great fights on in every corner of the globe which is all I care about, the quirks as you put it have been part of the sport since day 1. Don’t understand why you think the judges are unnecessary, stinkers are gonna happen, smaller gloves are completely unnecessary. Corruption will find its way in everywhere, it’s not that big a problem. Just enjoy the sport dude, I’ve seen plenty of good fights this year so can’t complain.

Isn't that a "it cant be improved" opinion? Bit negative aint it.

[H8Usernames]

At least to abolish all titles, except a single World championship belt, possibly giving a chance only to regional championship titles, and to execute Sulaiman with Bellew.

Again. How is this supposed to be achieved? The ranking orgs wont want it. The boxers wont want it and the promoters wont want it.

The answer is laws and politics and we ofcourse all know that there is no corruption in politics so boxing would then just become squeaky clean right? (Sarcasm)

And who told, that it could be achieved? Eveything will only get worse.

So we agree that your idea is unrealistic. Good. Do you have any realistic ideas?

[H8Usernames]

Take Mauricio Sulaiman and anybody that had anything to do with the WBC's decision to piss on the Heavyweight division, and shoot them in the head. Just for good measure set the body on fire so that they can't possibly receive medical attention and recover, and do anything else to Boxing.

Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired.

Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

These are interesting proposals excluding the bodily harm remarks towards the corrupt head of the wbc.

Lets explore them:

1. Any division known as "Super" this or "Jr." that. Wipe it away.

This can be done, boxing orgs and promoters can achieve this. The problem is their will to do so, if you are promoting a popular fighter that has the status of champ in a jr or super division today you are not going to forbid him to call himself that on your cards

Its very unlikely that all boxing orgs are going to want to abolish these weight classes. And if 1 popular fighter is in any of them then perhaps a new box org will pop up to crown him in his weight class, gaining instant partial legitimacy.

2. All but 1 World Championship belt. Throw 'em away, and all current title belt organizations need to be destroyed and have a new one started from scratch that actually has and maintains integrity.

Should this be done by law or? The boxing orgs arent gonna go away on their own and the promoters arent going to unanimously decide to shun all but 1 together.

If its done by law then boxing comes under the control of politicians and well there doesnt excist even 1 government in the world thats not corrupt so political meddling into boxing will only lead to boxing corruption.

3. 3 strike rule for questionable judging or officiating. 3 times you make a ruling that can't be defended. You're fired. Hell 1 strike if the offense is bad enough.

Again who is supposed to implement this? The corrupt politicians? Wont work.

Well goddamn. Thanks for all your solutions. I never would've thought that these things that have needed to be done for years, but haven't been done are unlikely.

Is Rain wet? I've always wondered. Let's explore that.

Those things dont need to be done and thinking that they ever will get done is childish, the ideas that I mentioned are however doable and could benefit boxing.

[gilgamesh]

Your ideas were terrible. Exhibition bouts are pointless. Mine would benefit Boxing greatly. Whether or not anybody ever goes along with them of course isn't up to me, but if my ideas were implemented Boxing would be better for it. In short order.

The biggest thing is to give fans the fights they want without having to wait so goddamn long that they lose interest or the fighters aren't as good as they were when the fight was first mentioned.

[gregregegg]

Ideal world,

1 belt per division.

Less divisions especially low weights, but add a division at 185ish.

Commissions refusing to sanction gross mismatches. (Nothing less than 1/5 odds for established fighters, mabey 1/7 for you first few learning fights)

Judges and refs held accountable. If your card is suspect, you should have to justify each suspect round you scored. Basically commentate that round to a board and tell them why you scored it how your did, and this should justification proscess should be made public.

Lead gov body ban rematch clauses, and they mandate rematches, but only when a dodgy/ or very very very close.


Real world.

1 belt per gov body per division
No 225 div.
add 185 div.
some form of ref review.
Gov body’s ban rematch clauses (if done result in stripping and removal from rankings)