Oleksandr Usyk vs. Derek Chisora - 31 October 2020

Who wins?

Poll ended at 01 Nov 2020, 03:55

Usyk - Decision
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45%
Usyk - T/KO
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42%
DRAW
1
1%
Chisora - T/KO
16
13%
Chisora - Decision
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Total votes: 125

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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Derek Chisora - 31 October 2020

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TheGoods wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 08:25
Boxerbeetle wrote: 16 Oct 2020, 09:18 I’m just glad that Chisora is guaranteed £4 million for this fight, when Sky can’t even be bothered to pick up Loma vs Lopez. Really great business for the boxing fan.
That figure has got to be pony? Say you do 200k (ambitious) buys at £20 quid a pop. That’s £4million. So where is Eddie’s and Usyk’s poke?
Making a loss then aren't they.. Who knows the ins and outs.. That figure could include other things like sponsors etc..
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 08:30
TheGoods wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 08:25
Boxerbeetle wrote: 16 Oct 2020, 09:18 I’m just glad that Chisora is guaranteed £4 million for this fight, when Sky can’t even be bothered to pick up Loma vs Lopez. Really great business for the boxing fan.
That figure has got to be pony? Say you do 200k (ambitious) buys at £20 quid a pop. That’s £4million. So where is Eddie’s and Usyk’s poke?
Making a loss then aren't they.. Who knows the ins and outs.. That figure could include other things like sponsors etc..
There’s no way Chisora’s getting a guaranteed £4m - no chance at all.

They’ll need 240k U.K. buys just to cover his purse.

It will do at least 200k buys but the Selby fight is an expensive one, Usyk isn’t cheap, Allen isn’t cheap nowadays and Matchroom aren’t going to do a deal where they potentially lose 7 figures.

They’ll be getting money from BetFred, money from DAZN but even still Matchroom aren’t naive enough to do a £4m guarantee for Del Boy.
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maverick23 wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 08:42 It will do at least 200k buys but the Selby fight is an expensive one, Usyk isn’t cheap, Allen isn’t cheap nowadays and Matchroom aren’t going to do a deal where they potentially lose 7 figures.

They’ll be getting money from BetFred, money from DAZN but even still Matchroom aren’t naive enough to do a £4m guarantee for Del Boy.
The purse pay out for Selby-Kambosos is only $277,777 (£213k) Not a lot really.

Can't see Allen getting paid too much either.. how much you reckon he's getting?

And ofcourse they're getting money from DAZN, BetFred, William Hill etc.

It's not like Sky don't have any money.. Is it any surprise they don't want to pay for Loma-Teo and now Brook-Crawford, or any other fights Stateside for that matter. They're instead using the funds on their own British cards.
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I couldn’t believe Whyte got 4m for Povetkin, but it was from an impeccable source.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 08:50
maverick23 wrote: 24 Oct 2020, 08:42 It will do at least 200k buys but the Selby fight is an expensive one, Usyk isn’t cheap, Allen isn’t cheap nowadays and Matchroom aren’t going to do a deal where they potentially lose 7 figures.

They’ll be getting money from BetFred, money from DAZN but even still Matchroom aren’t naive enough to do a £4m guarantee for Del Boy.
The purse pay out for Selby-Kambosos is only $277,777 (£213k) Not a lot really.

Can't see Allen getting paid too much either.. how much you reckon he's getting?

And ofcourse they're getting money from DAZN, BetFred, William Hill etc.

It's not like Sky don't have any money.. Is it any surprise they don't want to pay for Loma-Teo and now Brook-Crawford, or any other fights Stateside for that matter. They're instead using the funds on their own British cards.
£213k is still a decent amount for an undercard fight.

I reckon Allen will be on around £100k - could be wrong though.

Of course Sky have money but they’ll want to make money out of PPVs - I think their take is something like 15% of PPV sales.

Sky aren’t immune to the pandemic. Several hundred thousand people have cancelled their subscriptions in the last 6 months whilst their cost base won’t have materially changed so they’ll be looking for ways to make money and, unfortunately, this will be one.

I don’t have any sympathy for Sky by the way and I’m not trying to justify what they’re doing. I would have loved them to get Brook/Crawford or Loma/Lopez.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 Oct 2020, 04:36 “It took Evander Holyfield a couple of years to grow into heavyweight. Has Usyk got time to do that at 33 years old?
It's interesting that Holyfield and Usyk had quite similar ways at the CWs, but I don't see it similar at the HWs. Usyk was a bit faster tracked at the CWs and probably he'll be much faster tracked at the HWs because of his later appearence in the division. And Usyk could have chances to become the man at the HWs, but most likely he won't repeat Holy's success, cause now there's Tyson Fury in the division.
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DrDuke wrote: 25 Oct 2020, 06:13
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 Oct 2020, 04:36 “It took Evander Holyfield a couple of years to grow into heavyweight. Has Usyk got time to do that at 33 years old?
It's interesting that Holyfield and Usyk had quite similar ways at the CWs, but I don't see it similar at the HWs. Usyk was a bit faster tracked at the CWs and probably he'll be much faster tracked at the HWs because of his later appearence in the division. And Usyk could have chances to become the man at the HWs, but most likely he won't repeat Holy's success, cause now there's Tyson Fury in the division.
Holyfield overachieved at heavyweight. He was regularly outgunned, but his phenomenal chin, iron will and amazing ability to fight through adversity enabled him to compete with much naturally bigger men.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 25 Oct 2020, 07:07
DrDuke wrote: 25 Oct 2020, 06:13
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 Oct 2020, 04:36 “It took Evander Holyfield a couple of years to grow into heavyweight. Has Usyk got time to do that at 33 years old?
It's interesting that Holyfield and Usyk had quite similar ways at the CWs, but I don't see it similar at the HWs. Usyk was a bit faster tracked at the CWs and probably he'll be much faster tracked at the HWs because of his later appearence in the division. And Usyk could have chances to become the man at the HWs, but most likely he won't repeat Holy's success, cause now there's Tyson Fury in the division.
Holyfield overachieved at heavyweight. He was regularly outgunned, but his phenomenal chin, iron will and amazing ability to fight through adversity enabled him to compete with much naturally bigger men.
Right, Holyfield was a different type of a fighter in comparison to Usyk and he was really tough. Actually, Usyk probably hasn't been pushed to the limit yet, but it's hard to imagine him being as tough as Holyfield was.
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DrDuke wrote: 25 Oct 2020, 06:13
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 Oct 2020, 04:36 “It took Evander Holyfield a couple of years to grow into heavyweight. Has Usyk got time to do that at 33 years old?
It's interesting that Holyfield and Usyk had quite similar ways at the CWs, but I don't see it similar at the HWs. Usyk was a bit faster tracked at the CWs and probably he'll be much faster tracked at the HWs because of his later appearence in the division. And Usyk could have chances to become the man at the HWs, but most likely he won't repeat Holy's success, cause now there's Tyson Fury in the division.
Holyfield was around 26 when he moved to HW? But wasn’t until he was 29 until he fought Buster.
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Yeah, I recall he struggled in some of his early fights at HW. Amazing that he only weighted 205 in the first fight with Bowe, yet was able to stand toe to toe.
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Think Holyfield had about 6 fights at heavyweight to acclimatise to the division before his title shot, off the top of my head he fought, Dokes, Thomas, McDonough, Rodriguez, Stewart and can’t remember the other one without looking.
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Had a look it was Tillis.
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Press Release

Dave Allen will fight Christopher Lovejoy on the undercard of the blockbuster Heavyweight clash between Oleksandr Usyk and Derek Chisora at The SSE Arena, Wembley on Saturday October 31, live on Sky Sports Box Office in the UK and on DAZN in all of its nine markets including the U.S.

Fan favourite Allen was due to make his ring return against Christian Hammer before the German was forced out after testing positive for COVID-19 now meets undefeated Christopher Lovejoy whose 100% KO record from his 19 professional bouts see him ranked in the top 15 with the WBA.

“I’m looking forward to this fight with Chris,” said Allen. “He’s positioned 15th with the WBA and I’d love to take that World ranking. He’s a big, strong man and just look at his record - He’s done what’s been asked of him in those 19 fights. There’s not much footage of him, so I don’t know really know what I’m preparing for which adds to the intrigue but I’m going in there to do a number on him."

"I finally made it here to the U.K!" said Lovejoy. "I'm here to shock the world and show what Chris Lovejoy is really about. Dave will end up number 20 on my record. I've travelled a long way so I just hope he shows up!"

"This is fascinating," added promoter Eddie Hearn. "Here we have this giant in Christopher Lovejoy that has amassed 19 wins with 19 KOs against limited opposition and has somehow found himself in the world top 15. The truth is, he might be an absolute beast or he may get found out but for Dave Allen it’s a huge opportunity. There will be plenty of eyeballs on this fight and if Dave can get the win he will force himself into the World rankings and land a major fight in 2021. I have absolutely no idea what’s going to happen but I’m excited to find out!"
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Fight Week :box:
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I’m going to stick my neck on the line and say this will be worse than the Cleverly v Bellew 2 PPV as a whole card.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Derek Chisora - 31 October 2020

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Hopefully Chisora is bang up for this and doesn't go into a shell like he normally does when being outboxed, we seen it in the Fury fights, Kabayel and Pulev, bit of an enigma is Chisora, theres no doubt he's come into fights out of shape but truth is he cant compete against technical boxers, he is having a bit of a resurgence, good performances against Szpilka and Price but he's stepping up the levels here


I wasnt bowled over by Usyk against Witherspoon, he was dominant and got the stoppage but I would've liked to have seen him put him to the sword quicker, I suppose it's not his style he likes to be patient and take a look, I think he schools Chisora here, popping the southpaw jab out and straight lefts to the body, I think theres a chance he can force a corner retirement late on ah la the Fury rematch but safe money goes with a wide Usyk decision
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UFC Legend Khabib Nurmagomedov heaps praise on Usyk ahead of Chisora clash

UFC star Khabib Nurmagomedov says he wants to see former Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion Oleksandr Usyk take on WBC Heavyweight ruler Tyson Fury.

Dana White hailed Russia’s Nurmagomedov as the ‘GOAT’ and pound-for-pound best after he sensationally retired following his second-round stoppage of Justin Gaethje at UFC 254 in Abu Dhabi.

The undefeated Lightweight World Champion is a long-time fan of boxing, and was even spotted ringside for Anthony Joshua’s huge rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr in Saudi Arabia last year, but it is Ukraine’s Usyk he wants to see share the ring with ‘The Gypsy King’, not ‘AJ’.

When asked for his assessment of the sport, prior to Vasiliy Lomachenko’s loss to Teofimo Lopez in Las Vegas, Khabib told reporters: “Right now, I think three guys. Oleksandr Usyk, Vasiliy Lomachenko and Canelo Alvarez.

“Oh sorry, Tyson Fury too. Four guys. It’s very hard [to decide] who is the best.

“I really want to see Usyk vs Fury. It’s gonna be a very good fight. He [Usyk] has very good skill and technique, Tyson Fury too.

“He is not like other Heavyweights, more technique, his footwork is very good, his conditioning is very good, I really wanna watch Usyk against Fury.”


Usyk (17-0, 13 KOs) sits as WBO Mandatory Challenger to Joshua, but must first deal with an in-form Derek Chisora at The SSE Arena Wembley on Saturday, shown live on Sky Sports Box Office in the UK and DAZN in all of its nine markets including the U.S.

Usyk vs. Chisora tops a huge night of action, Lee Selby (28-2, 9 KOs) and George Kambosos Jr (18-0, 10 KOs) meet in a Final Eliminator for the IBF Lightweight World Title, Heavyweight fan favourite Dave Allen (18-5-2, 15 KOs) returns against America’s KO artist Christopher Lovejoy (19-0, 19 KOs), Hartlepool’s Savannah Marshall (8-0, 6 KOs) takes on Glasgow’s Hannah Rankin (9-4, 2 KOs) for the vacant WBO Middleweight World Title, Belfast’s Tommy McCarthy (16-2, 8 KOs) meets Belgium’s Bilal Laggoune (25-1-2, 14 KOs) for the vacant European Cruiserweight Title and Amy Timlin (4-0) faces off with Carly Skelly (3-0) for the vacant Commonwealth Super-Bantamweight Title.
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Timlin vs. Skelly joins Usyk-Chisora undercard

Amy Timlin and Carly Skelly will contest the vacant Commonwealth Super-Bantamweight title live on Sky Sports Box Office and DAZN, Saturday 31st October.

The unbeaten pair were scheduled to fight earlier this month but now find themselves on the undercard to Oleksandr Usyk’s monster fight against Derek Chisora.

Rising star Timlin (4-0) is tipped for a bright future, training under the tutelage of Kieran Farrell and managed by Dave Coldwell.

“I’m buzzing for this. I’ve been training throughout lockdown, and I’m ready to go. This fight will push me on; it’s all about learning. The pressure is on her, Carly will come out all guns blazing, but we’ve got a steady game plan. I can’t wait for the first bell; this platform is huge,” revealed Timlin.

“I’m really excited to have Amy on such a massive show like this. Thanks to Eddie for giving us a slot in these testing times. Amy is a fantastic fighter, at 20 years old, I think she’ll show people in the next year or two she is the next generation of flag bearers coming through in Women’s boxing,” said Coldwell.

Southpaw Scouser Skelly (3-0) splits her time working in Children’s nursing, training out of the North Mersey ABC gym, and raising her two young children.

“It’s been a long camp having to juggle things about, but I’ve had some time off recently to concentrate on the fight,” said Skelly. “It’s a massive risk for Amy to take at her age; she won’t have felt power like this from a more mature fighter. This fight opens doors; I believe in myself and want to reach the World level.”

Promoter Eddie Hearn added: “We’ve seen some amazing domestic fights recently in women’s boxing, and this is another cracker. Two unbeaten fighters gunning for a World Title, the winner here will put themselves into contention for just that in 2021.”

Timlin vs. Skelly joins McCarthy vs. Laggoune and Selby vs. Kambosos Jr on the Usyk-Chisora undercard with more additions to be confirmed shortly.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 Oct 2020, 03:53 Fight Week :box:
:TU: C'mon Chizza son, knock his block off. I'm backing Chizza for the stoppage win. :box: I'm not convinced with this Usyk chap, yes he's good technically but I don't think he can cut it in the heavyweight division. Current odds for Chizza to win by stoppage 6/1, I'll have some of that. :TU:
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Usyk handled guys Chisoras size before quite comfortably. He shouldn't have any problems with a guy who was outclassed by Pulev and Kabayel. I see him making a statement here and once he starts upping the volume, Chisora will quit. Chisora wants no part of a fight he is clearly losing.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Derek Chisora - 31 October 2020

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Chisora is a long way off the top end of the division. I don’t see Usyk beating the very top end of the heavyweight division but his feet, hand speed and judgement should be way too much for Chisora. Usyk by wide and potentially dull decision
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Derek Chisora - 31 October 2020

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fizzjambo wrote: 26 Oct 2020, 18:33 Chisora is a long way off the top end of the division. I don’t see Usyk beating the very top end of the heavyweight division but his feet, hand speed and judgement should be way too much for Chisora. Usyk by wide and potentially dull decision
Aye I can definitely see that
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handsofstone wrote: 26 Oct 2020, 19:09
fizzjambo wrote: 26 Oct 2020, 18:33 Chisora is a long way off the top end of the division. I don’t see Usyk beating the very top end of the heavyweight division but his feet, hand speed and judgement should be way too much for Chisora. Usyk by wide and potentially dull decision
Aye I can definitely see that
I like Del but he’s been in more stinkers than good fights. The double header with Whyte were well matched fights but for me that showed Whyte’s level than elevated Chisora.

The Takam win was a nice knockout but putting all the bullshit and bluster to one side, Chisora is really pretty faded from the version that gave Vlad a reasonably hard nights work and did everything but get the decision to beat a then unbeaten Helenius, who was decent enough himself at the time.

Usyk would have to pretty poor to loose this
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fizzjambo wrote: 26 Oct 2020, 18:33 Chisora is a long way off the top end of the division. I don’t see Usyk beating the very top end of the heavyweight division but his feet, hand speed and judgement should be way too much for Chisora. Usyk by wide and potentially dull decision
While I agree with your prediction - I guess though it depends on the definition of "long way off" and "top end" of the division.... if the top end is 2 fighters, then yes - but I think he has shown he's not a long way off Dillion White.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Derek Chisora - 31 October 2020

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Del will be very fit and up for it for this, but that will only be enough to see him to the final bell.
Easy, wide UD.
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