Did the Loma vs Lopez fight answered to the question how PBF vs Loma would pan out?

[gilgamesh]

Nah, the size gap wasn't that big.

Floyd's optimal weight is 140, Loma's - 130.

There seems to be a false narrative about Lomachenko being too small for 135lbs and that Mayweather Jr. was much bigger than the Ukrainian.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. competed in only one world title bout at 140lbs, against a fighter that was arguably past-his-prime and had also achieved greater success competing in lighter weight divisions.

As a huge Gatti fan who's watched all of his fights I gotta disagree with this. Gatti had been a World Titleholder at 130 pounds, but he was at his best at 140 pounds. He had worked on many flaws in his game, and was as good as he was ever gonna be at 140.

He was just miles away from Mayweather's league unfortunately.

That would've been the case at 135, 130, 147 or whatever.

[gilgamesh]

Nah, the size gap wasn't that big.

Floyd's optimal weight is 140, Loma's - 130.

Partially because he enjoyed a size advantage over his foes and also due to the fact he was far more stylistically aggressive, resulting in him scoring significantly more KO's at that weight division against world-rated opposition than any of the others he had competed in.

Did you ever see his fights with Genaro Hernandez and Diego Corrales at 130 pounds? He's not the bigger man.

Floyd having a big "size advantage" was almost never the case against anybody he fought.

He was smaller than all 4 of his Lightweight opponents. The guys he fought at 140 actually had less of a size advantage over him than the guys he fought at Lightweight.

Life's funny that way sometimes.

[gilgamesh]

Broner has not fought at 135 in 7 years

He says that he can make the weight.

Even if Broner has to have an arm and both eyes surgically removed to make weight, I'd still be keen to see it happen.

Eager to see him shake his head like "You didn't hurt me" while losing every round huh?

Haven't you seen that movie before?

[brilo33]

i would like to see a rematch of this fight,i think loma underestaed how quick and powerful teo was also teo was very disciplined not to chase after loma , but loma gave the first 7away . i think it would be different next time

[Enlightened-One]

Floyd's optimal weight is 140, Loma's - 130.

Partially because he enjoyed a size advantage over his foes and also due to the fact he was far more stylistically aggressive, resulting in him scoring significantly more KO's at that weight division against world-rated opposition than any of the others he had competed in.

Did you ever see his fights with Genaro Hernandez and Diego Corrales at 130 pounds? He's not the bigger man.

I’d appreciate it if you read my entire post, rather than a snippet, because I feel we share the same opinion.

Anyway, you quoted a sentence of mine that was a general statement, referring to the main theme for Floyd’s 27 bouts at 130lbs.

Of course there were exceptions and I can’t disagree with those you cited.

And I do agree that when Floyd competed at 140lbs and above, he was usually the physically smaller man.

Please read my entire post where this quote you cited came from, because I do feel you’d very likely agree with everything I wrote, due to the fact that reviewing an extract presented out-of-context is usually misinterpreted, unintentionally or otherwise.

[gilgamesh]

Partially because he enjoyed a size advantage over his foes and also due to the fact he was far more stylistically aggressive, resulting in him scoring significantly more KO's at that weight division against world-rated opposition than any of the others he had competed in.

Did you ever see his fights with Genaro Hernandez and Diego Corrales at 130 pounds? He's not the bigger man.

I’d appreciate it if you read my entire post, rather than a snippet, because I feel we share the same opinion.

Anyway, you quoted a sentence of mine that was a general statement, referring to the main theme for Floyd’s 27 bouts at 130lbs.

Of course there were exceptions and I can’t disagree with those you cited.

And I do agree that when Floyd competed at 140lbs and above, he was usually the physically smaller man.

Please read my entire post where this quote you cited came from, because I do feel you’d very likely agree with everything I wrote, due to the fact that reviewing an extract presented out-of-context is usually misinterpreted, unintentionally or otherwise.

I did actually read the whole post in this case. I only quoted those brief snippets though because it was that part specifically I was commenting on, and for the record I don't think it's out of the question that Lomachenko could go down as an all time great still yet.

He's not there yet though. Though he has had more noteworthy success for the amount of fights he's had than anybody else I can think of, so that's definitely a major accomplishment.

If he's able to pick up some more titles, and get a few more big wins. Then he's an ATG. Even ATG's can be beaten sometimes. He's never lost in one sided fashion. At least not yet.

[gilgamesh]

i would like to see a rematch of this fight,i think loma underestaed how quick and powerful teo was also teo was very disciplined not to chase after loma , but loma gave the first 7away . i think it would be different next time

Lopez would beat him easier in a rematch I'd imagine. He's seen Loma's full force attack, and he'd be prepared for it.

[lazboy]

i would like to see a rematch of this fight,i think loma underestaed how quick and powerful teo was also teo was very disciplined not to chase after loma , but loma gave the first 7away . i think it would be different next time

Lopez would beat him easier in a rematch I'd imagine. He's seen Loma's full force attack, and he'd be prepared for it.

Not sure he had any answers for it other than being tough and powerful. Very disappointing showing from loma. If he doesn’t avenge this defeat then this loss seriously impacts his standing.

[gilgamesh]

i would like to see a rematch of this fight,i think loma underestaed how quick and powerful teo was also teo was very disciplined not to chase after loma , but loma gave the first 7away . i think it would be different next time

Lopez would beat him easier in a rematch I'd imagine. He's seen Loma's full force attack, and he'd be prepared for it.

Not sure he had any answers for it other than being tough and powerful. Very disappointing showing from loma. If he doesn’t avenge this defeat then this loss seriously impacts his standing.

From the sound of it he won't ever get the chance. Teofimo Lopez expressed in a follow up interview "I don't think he thought I'd win, he walked out of the ring like a sore loser. So f*ck him"

[lazboy]

That’s his right. He won fair and square. I however, as a fan would like to see this rematch as there are questions. More so than ggg 3 or Tenshin Mayweather 2.

[Enlightened-One]

Did you ever see his fights with Genaro Hernandez and Diego Corrales at 130 pounds? He's not the bigger man.

I’d appreciate it if you read my entire post, rather than a snippet, because I feel we share the same opinion.

Anyway, you quoted a sentence of mine that was a general statement, referring to the main theme for Floyd’s 27 bouts at 130lbs.

Of course there were exceptions and I can’t disagree with those you cited.

And I do agree that when Floyd competed at 140lbs and above, he was usually the physically smaller man.

Please read my entire post where this quote you cited came from, because I do feel you’d very likely agree with everything I wrote, due to the fact that reviewing an extract presented out-of-context is usually misinterpreted, unintentionally or otherwise.

I did actually read the whole post in this case. I only quoted those brief snippets though because it was that part specifically I was commenting on, and for the record I don't think it's out of the question that Lomachenko could go down as an all time great still yet.

He's not there yet though.

So we agree that Lomachenko isn’t currently an all-time-great?

For sure, he could make a remarkable bounce back recovery and continue achieving great success for the remainder of his career, to the point he eventually earns that status.

But regardless, he’s not there yet.

And I do feel that a prime version of Floyd beats any version of Lomachenko we’ve seen so far.

So I’m assuming we basically agree, unless you feel Lomachenko beats Mayweather?

[Counter-puncher]

He says that he can make the weight.

Even if Broner has to have an arm and both eyes surgically removed to make weight, I'd still be keen to see it happen.

Eager to see him shake his head like "You didn't hurt me" while losing every round huh?

Haven't you seen that movie before?

[apollo creed]

No doubt that Floyd was a master of the game in all ways but as a boxing fan I'd have liked to see how he'd have dealt against great fighters like Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao or P.W when the division was very hot (2007-2009) and probably one of the best eras of the ww division. I guess that 2010 Mosley was a very underrated and big win for Floyd. Mosley beat Margarito who came after the win over Cotto. Also Mosley was 5′ 8½″ in height and 71″ in reach which was close in size with Floyd.

[gilgamesh]

I’d appreciate it if you read my entire post, rather than a snippet, because I feel we share the same opinion.

Anyway, you quoted a sentence of mine that was a general statement, referring to the main theme for Floyd’s 27 bouts at 130lbs.

Of course there were exceptions and I can’t disagree with those you cited.

And I do agree that when Floyd competed at 140lbs and above, he was usually the physically smaller man.

Please read my entire post where this quote you cited came from, because I do feel you’d very likely agree with everything I wrote, due to the fact that reviewing an extract presented out-of-context is usually misinterpreted, unintentionally or otherwise.

I did actually read the whole post in this case. I only quoted those brief snippets though because it was that part specifically I was commenting on, and for the record I don't think it's out of the question that Lomachenko could go down as an all time great still yet.

He's not there yet though.

So we agree that Lomachenko isn’t currently an all-time-great?

For sure, he could make a remarkable bounce back recovery and continue achieving great success for the remainder of his career, to the point he eventually earns that status.

But regardless, he’s not there yet.

And I do feel that a prime version of Floyd beats any version of Lomachenko we’ve seen so far.

So I’m assuming we basically agree, unless you feel Lomachenko beats Mayweather?

No I most definitely wouldn't pick him over Mayweather. His plan would be to "outbox" Mayweather. Meaning he lost before the fight even started.

You have to OUTFIGHT Mayweather or you might as well not even take the fight. Most people that ever tried to outbox him failed miserably.

Miguel Cotto is the only one that made it competitive taking this approach, and he still lost clear.

[gilgamesh]

That’s his right. He won fair and square. I however, as a fan would like to see this rematch as there are questions. More so than ggg 3 or Tenshin Mayweather 2.

I'd like to see a rematch too, but unless Lomachenko is gonna go up to 140 and make it an even bigger disadvantage. It just ain't happening.

Teofimo will call the shots now. If there's a rematch, he'll give himself an even bigger advantage by demanding it's an 140 or nothing.

I suspect Loma will have no choice, but to except the loss, and just move on to other success elsewhere if he can.

[gilgamesh]

No doubt that Floyd was a master of the game in all ways but as a boxing fan I'd have liked to see how he'd have dealt against great fighters like Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao or P.W when the division was very hot (2007-2009) and probably one of the best eras of the ww division. I guess that 2010 Mosley was a very underrated and big win for Floyd. Mosley beat Margarito who came after the win over Cotto. Also Mosley was 5′ 8½″ in height and 71″ in reach which was close in size with Floyd.

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

[apollo creed]

No doubt that Floyd was a master of the game in all ways but as a boxing fan I'd have liked to see how he'd have dealt against great fighters like Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao or P.W when the division was very hot (2007-2009) and probably one of the best eras of the ww division. I guess that 2010 Mosley was a very underrated and big win for Floyd. Mosley beat Margarito who came after the win over Cotto. Also Mosley was 5′ 8½″ in height and 71″ in reach which was close in size with Floyd.

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

I think Williams and Margarito would've put some problems to Floyd due of their size advantage, especially Williams. Actually Williams beat a good version of Margarito in 2007.

[gilgamesh]

No doubt that Floyd was a master of the game in all ways but as a boxing fan I'd have liked to see how he'd have dealt against great fighters like Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao or P.W when the division was very hot (2007-2009) and probably one of the best eras of the ww division. I guess that 2010 Mosley was a very underrated and big win for Floyd. Mosley beat Margarito who came after the win over Cotto. Also Mosley was 5′ 8½″ in height and 71″ in reach which was close in size with Floyd.

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

I think Williams and Margarito would've put some problems to Floyd due of their size advantage, especially Williams. Actually Williams beat a good version of Margarito in 2007.

Canelo had a size advantage, and couldn't win a round. He's also a lot better than Margarito.

[brilo33]

i agree with most of the above about the result might not change , its more i d rather see loma go out on his shield , which means he could get ko he was hurt by a shot in the fight , its just you wanted to see more of loma on the offence, that is not taking anything from teo who did anything right and is in no doubt the champion ,

[brilo33]

never really thought about loma v pbf , mayweather is hard boxer to fight wouldnt of thought loma would of beat him any how , its just loma great mover technical fighter , pbf to befair in his early fights was more exciting fighter too , i think Sergio Martinez would of ben a good fight for pbf

[IKSRTFO]

No doubt that Floyd was a master of the game in all ways but as a boxing fan I'd have liked to see how he'd have dealt against great fighters like Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Pacquiao or P.W when the division was very hot (2007-2009) and probably one of the best eras of the ww division. I guess that 2010 Mosley was a very underrated and big win for Floyd. Mosley beat Margarito who came after the win over Cotto. Also Mosley was 5′ 8½″ in height and 71″ in reach which was close in size with Floyd.

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

I do see Cotto fighting different with Stewart in his corner. I thought that was his biggest mistake.

[IKSRTFO]

I can't really see Cotto doing any better than he did at any point in his career. Even as it is he's one of Floyd's most competitive opponents. I can't really see him fighting all that different of a fight in the 2007-2009 range.

Margarito would've been lucky to win 2 rounds.

Mosley was good enough to dominate Margarito in 2009, so I don't think he was useless in 2010.

Pacquiao and Paul Williams in 2007-2009 would've been interesting. Damn shame what happened to Paul, he could've achieved so much more.

I think Williams and Margarito would've put some problems to Floyd due of their size advantage, especially Williams. Actually Williams beat a good version of Margarito in 2007.

Canelo had a size advantage, and couldn't win a round. He's also a lot better than Margarito.

Canelo is bigger and better than Castilo. He just doesn't fight like Castillo or Margarito. Canelo didn't even use his size advantage. But I think Paul Williams height and length and the way he fights would've given Floyd trouble.

[gilgamesh]

I think so too.

[Onetimeonly]

Agreed on Paul, Margarito is difficult to imagine winning a round.

[detamour]

never really thought about loma v pbf , mayweather is hard boxer to fight wouldnt of thought loma would of beat him any how , its just loma great mover technical fighter , pbf to befair in his early fights was more exciting fighter too , i think Sergio Martinez would of ben a good fight for pbf

Was Floyd ever a Middleweight? And remember Martinez wanted no parts of Hopkins and Ward who were his size either!