I think Vitali was actually better than Wlad, but Wlad clearly had the greater career and fought better opposition, besides Lewis.
I think Vitali was a very good fighter. He had a alot of things going for him that would have made him hard for anyone to deal with. But he just has no depth when it comes to his opposition.
NateJR wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:00
I think Vitali was actually better than Wlad, but Wlad clearly had the greater career and fought better opposition, besides Lewis.
I think Vitali was a very good fighter. He had a alot of things going for him that would have made him hard for anyone to deal with. But he just has no depth when it comes to his opposition.
He fought every one he could. Never tasted the canvas. Won almost every round, most fights were shut outs.
Defeated Briggs, Peter, Arreola, Sanders, Hide, Kirk Johnson, Orlin Norris, Adamek. Most by KO. Was winning easy vs Byrd suffered torn rotator cuff.
NateJR wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:00
I think Vitali was actually better than Wlad, but Wlad clearly had the greater career and fought better opposition, besides Lewis.
I think Vitali was a very good fighter. He had a alot of things going for him that would have made him hard for anyone to deal with. But he just has no depth when it comes to his opposition.
He fought every one he could. Never tasted the canvas. Won almost every round, most fights were shut outs.
Defeated Briggs, Peter, Arreola, Sanders, Hide, Kirk Johnson, Orlin Norris, Adamek. Most by KO. Was winning easy vs Byrd suffered torn rotator cuff.
NateJR wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:00
I think Vitali was actually better than Wlad, but Wlad clearly had the greater career and fought better opposition, besides Lewis.
I think Vitali was a very good fighter. He had a alot of things going for him that would have made him hard for anyone to deal with. But he just has no depth when it comes to his opposition.
He fought every one he could. Never tasted the canvas. Won almost every round, most fights were shut outs.
Defeated Briggs, Peter, Arreola, Sanders, Hide, Kirk Johnson, Orlin Norris, Adamek. Most by KO. Was winning easy vs Byrd suffered torn rotator cuff.
Guy had a near perfect career.
Yeah, a real cavalcade of stars you got there!
Too bad he couldn't get in there with animals like Chuck Wepner, Rudi Lubbers, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean-Pierre Coopman and Leon Spinks.
NateJR wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:00
I think Vitali was actually better than Wlad, but Wlad clearly had the greater career and fought better opposition, besides Lewis.
I think Vitali was a very good fighter. He had a alot of things going for him that would have made him hard for anyone to deal with. But he just has no depth when it comes to his opposition.
He fought every one he could. Never tasted the canvas. Won almost every round, most fights were shut outs.
Defeated Briggs, Peter, Arreola, Sanders, Hide, Kirk Johnson, Orlin Norris, Adamek. Most by KO. Was winning easy vs Byrd suffered torn rotator cuff.
Guy had a near perfect career.
He retired for 4 years instead of facing Hasim Rahman.
Rahman would've actually been the best opponent he'd ever beat if he'd fought that fight.
NateJR wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:00
I think Vitali was actually better than Wlad, but Wlad clearly had the greater career and fought better opposition, besides Lewis.
I think Vitali was a very good fighter. He had a alot of things going for him that would have made him hard for anyone to deal with. But he just has no depth when it comes to his opposition.
He fought every one he could. Never tasted the canvas. Won almost every round, most fights were shut outs.
Defeated Briggs, Peter, Arreola, Sanders, Hide, Kirk Johnson, Orlin Norris, Adamek. Most by KO. Was winning easy vs Byrd suffered torn rotator cuff.
Guy had a near perfect career.
He retired for 4 years instead of facing Hasim Rahman.
Rahman would've actually been the best opponent he'd ever beat if he'd fought that fight.
That would be a good fight. I think Rahman was a quality fighter in a quality era.
Too bad he couldn't get in there with animals like Chuck Wepner, Rudi Lubbers, Alfredo Evangelista, Jean-Pierre Coopman and Leon Spinks.
Or Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Kenny Norton, or Sonny Liston. Yeah, too bad. LMFAO!
Vitali is 6'7" 250 with less body fat than any of those guys.
He would carve right through Frazier, Liston and Norton. Just like Foreman did.
Then Dr. Ironfist would take out Big George too.
47 fights, never knocked down.
Sorry sports evolve. Athletes are getting bigger and stronger and faster.
I don’t think you really have any idea how to judge how great a fighter is, it’s nothing to do with body fat, ko percentages or who you think who would beat who, it’s simply who did they beat? when did they beat them? and how did they beat them? The same questions also apply to losses, things like skill sets, durability and longevity are also to be considered but it’s the first set of questions that matter most.
oogiebe wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:19
Or Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Kenny Norton, or Sonny Liston. Yeah, too bad. LMFAO!
Vitali is 6'7" 250 with less body fat than any of those guys.
He would carve right through Frazier, Liston and Norton. Just like Foreman did.
Then Dr. Ironfist would take out Big George too.
47 fights, never knocked down.
Sorry sports evolve. Athletes are getting bigger and stronger and faster.
I don’t think you really have any idea how to judge how great a fighter is, it’s nothing to do with body fat, ko percentages or who you think who would beat who, it’s simply who did they beat? when did they beat them? and how did they beat them? The same questions also apply to losses, things like skill sets, durability and longevity are also to be considered but it’s the first set of questions that matter most.
The guy was the top tier of his era. Excellent boxer, great power, very durable chin. Fought everybody, didn't duck anyone.
Vitali is 6'7" 250 with less body fat than any of those guys.
He would carve right through Frazier, Liston and Norton. Just like Foreman did.
Then Dr. Ironfist would take out Big George too.
47 fights, never knocked down.
Sorry sports evolve. Athletes are getting bigger and stronger and faster.
I don’t think you really have any idea how to judge how great a fighter is, it’s nothing to do with body fat, ko percentages or who you think who would beat who, it’s simply who did they beat? when did they beat them? and how did they beat them? The same questions also apply to losses, things like skill sets, durability and longevity are also to be considered but it’s the first set of questions that matter most.
The guy was the top tier of his era. Excellent boxer, great power, very durable chin. Fought everybody, didn't duck anyone.
Dominant heavyweight.
He was good but his opposition stop him from being great, maybe top 20.
littlepug wrote: ↑01 Nov 2020, 20:52
I don’t think you really have any idea how to judge how great a fighter is, it’s nothing to do with body fat, ko percentages or who you think who would beat who, it’s simply who did they beat? when did they beat them? and how did they beat them? The same questions also apply to losses, things like skill sets, durability and longevity are also to be considered but it’s the first set of questions that matter most.
The guy was the top tier of his era. Excellent boxer, great power, very durable chin. Fought everybody, didn't duck anyone.
Dominant heavyweight.
He was good but his opposition stop him from being great, maybe top 20.
People are pretty selective when it comes to the importance of competition.
If you want to say Vitali didn't have great competition compared to say the 1990s that seems reasonable but his era certainly seems stronger than that of Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey.
I don't see Vitali as a great heavyweight personally but all the arguments used to argue he is not great could be applied to some guys who are considered great by many such as Dempsey and Jeffries.
Neither of these guys faced the best of their weak eras and their resumes lack depth.
