Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

victor-romeo
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

Post by victor-romeo »

I often find Usyk boring aslo even though he is a great fighter, I had same reaction to Pernell Whitaker another great fighter, I like KO offense, now this last fight of Uysk vs Chisora I found entertaining because of the sized disadvantage and not knowing wether Usyk would survive that was high drama..
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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gregregegg wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 22:25
Ancherrera wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 21:57 A heavyweight needs some power at least. Usyk showed none. Chisora almost fell over in his own. Any real heavyweight would have been able to take him down at that point.
Chisora has been at that point in many fights and dosent get taken down much. Vitaly klitchco, pulev, helanious, Takem, Kabayel, scott, price couldent get him down, It took Fury 22 rounds to get a corner retirment, Dillian whyte 23 rounds to get a KO. Haye is the only guy that has just strait ended chisora in one go, and he has been in with some beasts. Yet for some reason everyone expected Usyk, coming off a year layoff to just chin him.
I see your point but I think you could give Usyk 220 or 230 rounds and he doesn't have enough power to KO Chisora. I'm not taking anything away from Usyk as a boxer, I am just making the observation that his power is not nearly enough for the HW division. It may have been obvious to other but I needed to see it in action.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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It depends what you appreciate most in a boxer.

Personally, I enjoy watching Usyk for his footwork, and his control of the space between him and his opponent.
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I feel that what Vivek Wallace (boxing scribe) wrote about Andre Ward is equally applicable to Oleksandr Usyk.

And to paraphrase his words:

Casuals will inevitably say that Usyk is boring, but I think the truth here is that to those who appreciate the execution of the sweet science, he’s far from it, and at the end of the day, the real reason people find his ability to be boring is because it usually means absolute domination.

Absolute domination is absolute domination, and when a man can separate himself from a competitor by being that good, it simply makes for an uneventful evening that just feels bad!

Here's the deal: A "fight" is only a "fight" when one man hits the other and the other can hit him back. It's not much of a "fight" when only one of them knows how to "box", because in "boxing" you win by OUT "BOXING" the opposite "fighter".

The old saying is that "STYLES MAKE FIGHTS". Although this is true, we should note that lesser skilled styles are what "makes fights".....wherein greater skills possessed by one of the competitors tend to actually "break fights"!
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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Boxtune wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 16:06
DrDuke wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 15:51 Usyk is good to watch, his boxing is excellent.
USYK to be KOed to do Hype job for AJ career . Even everyone know Pulev has little chance, AJ training very hard,
should he lose to Pulev, Love be lost forever from Brit fans.
have you heard of google translate ?
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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Ancherrera wrote: 02 Nov 2020, 09:20
gregregegg wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 22:25
Ancherrera wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 21:57 A heavyweight needs some power at least. Usyk showed none. Chisora almost fell over in his own. Any real heavyweight would have been able to take him down at that point.
Chisora has been at that point in many fights and dosent get taken down much. Vitaly klitchco, pulev, helanious, Takem, Kabayel, scott, price couldent get him down, It took Fury 22 rounds to get a corner retirment, Dillian whyte 23 rounds to get a KO. Haye is the only guy that has just strait ended chisora in one go, and he has been in with some beasts. Yet for some reason everyone expected Usyk, coming off a year layoff to just chin him.
I see your point but I think you could give Usyk 220 or 230 rounds and he doesn't have enough power to KO Chisora. I'm not taking anything away from Usyk as a boxer, I am just making the observation that his power is not nearly enough for the HW division. It may have been obvious to other but I needed to see it in action.
He definatly had chisora hurt end of 6th or 7th, cant remember witch. not super hurt, but hurt enough that if there was 2 mins left in the round you never know. Its true, he isnt likely just to flatline someone early, but he still has enough that if he lands a sweet combo he can have someone buzzed enough to finnish...

He obiously isnt a banger,,,but his lack of KOs has more to do with fighting good guys than anything else. in his carrer he has not stopped Chis, Gassiev, Beridis, hunter, Glowaki. top guys where your focused on winning not stopping and Non are easy guys to stop...

he dosent have wilder power not even remotely close, but if he fought wilders resume, i think he stops everyone except ortiz, duahpas and fury. He would be probably be 42-2 with nearly 40kos.... and would look like a KO artist on paper..
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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i think it was good win for usyk in terms chisora is a recognised hw think usyk might had taken chisora out at the end of the 7th but bell went so decied just to out point him, usyk was never the biggest puncher more a class boxer, that wont help in the hw i think his opponets will be well picked cant see him facing fury, its funny but i fancy usyk chances to beat aj more than usyk to beat whyte , i think he can beat both , wilder will ko him out , same with fury for me ,
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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brilo33 wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 17:28 i think it was good win for usyk in terms chisora is a recognised hw think usyk might had taken chisora out at the end of the 7th but bell went so decied just to out point him, usyk was never the biggest puncher more a class boxer, that wont help in the hw i think his opponets will be well picked cant see him facing fury, its funny but i fancy usyk chances to beat aj more than usyk to beat whyte , i think he can beat both , wilder will ko him out , same with fury for me ,
Considering Szpilka was outboxing Wilder until he got decked, I think Usyk could probably outbox him the whole way. Obviously he'd have to avoid the lethal right hand, but he'd have a better shot at it than a lot of guys.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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gilgamesh wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 17:30
brilo33 wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 17:28 i think it was good win for usyk in terms chisora is a recognised hw think usyk might had taken chisora out at the end of the 7th but bell went so decied just to out point him, usyk was never the biggest puncher more a class boxer, that wont help in the hw i think his opponets will be well picked cant see him facing fury, its funny but i fancy usyk chances to beat aj more than usyk to beat whyte , i think he can beat both , wilder will ko him out , same with fury for me ,
Considering Szpilka was outboxing Wilder until he got decked, I think Usyk could probably outboxing him the whole way. Obviously he'd have to avoid the lethal right hand, but he'd have a better shot at it than a lot of guys.
no doubt but i class usyk above a lot of guys ,so iam talking out loud , he gets hit usyk and with aj whyte you can get away with it, and yea course he could box wilder for 12 rds and look great he has it in him, i just dont feel it , i would put him with aj think 50/50
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

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I really enjoyed the Usyk fight last weekend and I hate everything.
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

Post by margaret thatcher »

he's kinda a funny fighter because he switches between being a busy pressure fighter on the front foot who pushes a fight, and being a back foot hit and run slapper who takes limited chances. no in between.

i guess it's a compliment to him that he can be succesfful with both styles
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gregregegg wrote: 02 Nov 2020, 21:03
Ancherrera wrote: 02 Nov 2020, 09:20
gregregegg wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 22:25

Chisora has been at that point in many fights and dosent get taken down much. Vitaly klitchco, pulev, helanious, Takem, Kabayel, scott, price couldent get him down, It took Fury 22 rounds to get a corner retirment, Dillian whyte 23 rounds to get a KO. Haye is the only guy that has just strait ended chisora in one go, and he has been in with some beasts. Yet for some reason everyone expected Usyk, coming off a year layoff to just chin him.
I see your point but I think you could give Usyk 220 or 230 rounds and he doesn't have enough power to KO Chisora. I'm not taking anything away from Usyk as a boxer, I am just making the observation that his power is not nearly enough for the HW division. It may have been obvious to other but I needed to see it in action.
He definatly had chisora hurt end of 6th or 7th, cant remember witch. not super hurt, but hurt enough that if there was 2 mins left in the round you never know. Its true, he isnt likely just to flatline someone early, but he still has enough that if he lands a sweet combo he can have someone buzzed enough to finnish...

He obiously isnt a banger,,,but his lack of KOs has more to do with fighting good guys than anything else. in his carrer he has not stopped Chis, Gassiev, Beridis, hunter, Glowaki. top guys where your focused on winning not stopping and Non are easy guys to stop...

he dosent have wilder power not even remotely close, but if he fought wilders resume, i think he stops everyone except ortiz, duahpas and fury. He would be probably be 42-2 with nearly 40kos.... and would look like a KO artist on paper..
it was the very end of 7 , just a shame the bell rang as given another 20 seconds he would have tasted canvas .
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Re: Oleksandr Usyk is not exciting to watch

Post by keirw »

Like many former high level ameteur, Usyk has developed a style based around technique and footwork and is focused on winning rounds.

Nothing wrong with that, but it can lead to accusations of 'boring' from fans.

But he can be in entertaining fights, against the right opponents. His fight with Bellew was pretty entertaining as Bellew gave it his all and made it competitive for a few rounds until Usyk found his rythmn and put Tony out of his misery.

From what I have heard the Chisora fight was similar, but without the conclusive ending.

Usyk vs Pulev or Parker would be boring, I am sure. But Usyk vs AJ or Wilder would be edge of the seat stuff, as one punch from those guys could end it.

Also Usyk vs Ruiz would probably be good, as Ruiz would make him work very hard for the win.
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If Usyk went for a kill after he had Chisora in trouble in the 7th, no one would have accused Usyk in being not exciting after this bout.

The fight started entertaining, but quickly developed to a one-sided affair and Chisora eventually looked clueless. Usyk didn't finish him off only because of his own pragmatism.

That sounds rational, it can be understood, but everything has its limits. Against clueless Chisora it was OK. But it can become lethal against some other fighters. Sometimes a fighter shouldn't be way too pragmatic. Usyk's famous countrymen Wlad and Loma suffered from the excessive pragmatism.
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