Tyson Fury vs. Agit Kabayel or Carlos Takam Next!

[Evander]

At this level there's not a man born to his mother that could beat him.
Not exactly mouthwatering contests are they.

[bobcatbox]

According to rds.ca you can add oscar rivas to that list.
After an interview with Rivas promoter Gym.
Kabayel is the leader according to Gym..

https://www.rds.ca/combat/boxe/boxe-osc ... -1.8180446

Arum said it's between Kabayel and Takam.

He actually mentioned that they're not looking at Rivas. Why? Because of his height..

Takam fighting Joshua per other thread. So probably Kabayel.

[Ruthless-RKO]

According to rds.ca you can add oscar rivas to that list.
After an interview with Rivas promoter Gym.
Kabayel is the leader according to Gym..

https://www.rds.ca/combat/boxe/boxe-osc ... -1.8180446

Arum said it's between Kabayel and Takam.

He actually mentioned that they're not looking at Rivas. Why? Because of his height..

Takam fighting Joshua per other thread. So probably Kabayel.

That was 2017 news when Pulev has to pull out.

Seriously, click on the thread it’s funny.

[bobcatbox]

Arum said it's between Kabayel and Takam.

He actually mentioned that they're not looking at Rivas. Why? Because of his height..

Takam fighting Joshua per other thread. So probably Kabayel.

That was 2017 news when Pulev has to pull out.

Seriously, click on the thread it’s funny.

[bbb636]

According to rds.ca
And tvasports now simon kean is another one
In negociation with fury sources close to eye of the tiger management confirm that there is talk
Is it serious?

https://www.rds.ca/combat/boxe/boxe-tys ... -1.8249765

https://www.tvasports.ca/2020/10/24/sim ... tyson-fury

[gregregegg]

Why would you fight Kean.. At least Agit is actually legit. If your going any lower level than that you might as well go pricey, make it and English battle of the giants...

[Chauncy]

1 thing to keep in mind is Fury lowers or heightens himself to the level of opposition while the opposition train the house down knowing it's their chance.

I could see Agit pulling a Wallin and maybe ruining our chance to see Fury vs AJ.

Safe money, go with Carlos. You get the French market, you (should) get the win and more importantly should come home injury free.

Fury could just sit on his ass and wait but wants to stay busy as Joshua doing the same.

For mine, Joshua vs Fury will go down as at least my most anticipated fight ever.

Chauncy

[John_newman]

Big Baby Miller deserves to be in the ring in the future after this game.

[H8Usernames]

1 thing to keep in mind is Fury lowers or heightens himself to the level of opposition while the opposition train the house down knowing it's their chance.

I could see Agit pulling a Wallin and maybe ruining our chance to see Fury vs AJ.

Safe money, go with Carlos. You get the French market, you (should) get the win and more importantly should come home injury free.

Fury could just sit on his ass and wait but wants to stay busy as Joshua doing the same.

For mine, Joshua vs Fury will go down as at least my most anticipated fight ever.

Chauncy

Can't say that I agree, in my opinion Fury vs Joshua is a glorified mismatch, much like Tyson vs Lewis was. Practically a formality.

[DrDuke]

1 thing to keep in mind is Fury lowers or heightens himself to the level of opposition while the opposition train the house down knowing it's their chance.

I could see Agit pulling a Wallin and maybe ruining our chance to see Fury vs AJ.

Safe money, go with Carlos. You get the French market, you (should) get the win and more importantly should come home injury free.

Fury could just sit on his ass and wait but wants to stay busy as Joshua doing the same.

For mine, Joshua vs Fury will go down as at least my most anticipated fight ever.

Chauncy

Can't say that I agree, in my opinion Fury vs Joshua is a glorified mismatch, much like Tyson vs Lewis was. Practically a formality.

At least in this case they are both in prime, so it's different situation, the value of a win is bigger for both.

[Paci]

Don't know that is really up with this game. But the thing I see is that team Wilder is saying nothing at all. That makes me wonder what is going on in the politics around the fight. Cause it is a Good money fight for them both. So yeah I do smell hype. Most be about the money or something or Arum is being a total dick as he always is when it comes to milking it like team Haymon.

[Enlightened-One]

Don't know that is really up with this game. But the thing I see is that team Wilder is saying nothing at all. That makes me wonder what is going on in the politics around the fight. Cause it is a Good money fight for them both. So yeah I do smell hype. Most be about the money or something or Arum is being a total dick as he always is when it comes to milking it like team Haymon.

If Wilder resumed his line of communication with the media, he’s got a lot of tricky questions to answer, such as:
• Explain how he was dominated by Fury
• Explain the Mark Breland sacking, after initially claiming he wasn’t going to fire him
• Explain the multitude of excuses his team have cited for the Fury defeat

And more importantly, he’d be asked to explain the reason why his bout against Fury wasn’t happening.

I’m not sure if Wilder had any say in the scheduling of his rematch against Fury. I don’t think he or his team even knew whether the third bout was ever going to take place.

Fury and Wilder had formulated the contractual agreement for the financial terms of their third bout during 2019, prior to the coronavirus pandemic.

Barry Hearn, who wasn’t privy to the Wilder-Fury negotiations, but seemed to possess insider knowledge, casted his doubts about the staging of the rematch back in July. When he claimed both fighters would need to renegotiate their deals with ESPN & Fox and accept pay cuts for this bout to happen.

Even Hearn’s fierce rival, Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn, conceded that the third bout between Wilder and Fury wasn’t financially viable. I think Bob Arum stated something similar.

The Wilder-Fury TV network dates and corresponding venues kept changing, due to clashes with other (more popular) sporting events.

So without a full-capacity crowd, coupled with a highly congested sporting fixture (due to the backlog caused by the COVID-19 pandemic), this has resulted in Fury’s immediate rematch clause against Wilder expiring.

And the consequence of all this is that Wilder will be forced to wait until the second half of 2022, at the very earliest, in order to receive another world title shot.

Any contractual agreements between fighters, such as guaranteed minimum paydays, purse percentage splits and immediate rematch clauses, are ultimately overruled by the fiscal requirements of the networks and promoters.

Therefore, Wilder would have to explain the reason why his own network and handlers felt unable to financially support the terms of his rematch against Fury. And I think that’s the real reason why he’s kept his mouth shut.

[joshj909]

Therefore, Wilder would have to explain the reason why his own network and handlers felt unable to financially support the terms of his rematch against Fury. And I think that’s the real reason why he’s kept his mouth shut.

And the fact he will most likely get a guaranteed shot at the new WBC belt which he'll probably be happy enough with. He's the kind of guy to celebrate being the Greatest of all time in a division of two people.

[Paci]

Don't know that is really up with this game. But the thing I see is that team Wilder is saying nothing at all. That makes me wonder what is going on in the politics around the fight. Cause it is a Good money fight for them both. So yeah I do smell hype. Most be about the money or something or Arum is being a total dick as he always is when it comes to milking it like team Haymon.

If Wilder resumed his line of communication with the media, he’s got a lot of tricky questions to answer, such as:
• Explain how he was dominated by Fury
• Explain the Mark Breland sacking, after initially claiming he wasn’t going to fire him
• Explain the multitude of excuses his team have cited for the Fury defeat

And more importantly, he’d be asked to explain the reason why his bout against Fury wasn’t happening.

I’m not sure if Wilder had any say in the scheduling of his rematch against Fury. I don’t think he or his team even knew whether the third bout was ever going to take place.

Fury and Wilder had formulated the contractual agreement for the financial terms of their third bout during 2019, prior to the coronavirus pandemic.

Barry Hearn, who wasn’t privy to the Wilder-Fury negotiations, but seemed to possess insider knowledge, casted his doubts about the staging of the rematch back in July. When he claimed both fighters would need to renegotiate their deals with ESPN & Fox and accept pay cuts for this bout to happen.

Even Hearn’s fierce rival, Fṛḁṅk Wḁṛṛḛn, conceded that the third bout between Wilder and Fury wasn’t financially viable. I think Bob Arum stated something similar.

The Wilder-Fury TV network dates and corresponding venues kept changing, due to clashes with other (more popular) sporting events.

So without a full-capacity crowd, coupled with a highly congested sporting fixture (due to the backlog caused by the COVID-19 pandemic), this has resulted in Fury’s immediate rematch clause against Wilder expiring.

And the consequence of all this is that Wilder will be forced to wait until the second half of 2022, at the very earliest, in order to receive another world title shot.

Any contractual agreements between fighters, such as guaranteed minimum paydays, purse percentage splits and immediate rematch clauses, are ultimately overruled by the fiscal requirements of the networks and promoters.

Therefore, Wilder would have to explain the reason why his own network and handlers felt unable to financially support the terms of his rematch against Fury. And I think that’s the real reason why he’s kept his mouth shut.

Oh! Yeah, that sounds about right. Forgot about all the drama with Wilder after he got whoop'd.

[Thomastearns]

We know Fury is a cheating fake, but he's a crafty and devious one. Pretty soon he'll be sitting on a king's ransom if he can just play his cunning cards right and get to AJ safely.

Wilder's career on the other hand seems to be following a well trodden tragic trajectory.

From a position of great strength he's somehow he's allowed himself to be successively distanced and cut off from valuable friends and familiar faces.

There will always be those who argue that this position was attained on false grounds - but then there's not a boxer today that doesn't also get the same treatment.

Not a single one. GGG, Lomachenko, Inoue, even Joshua himself.

In Wilder's case it could also be argued that most of his current (parasitic) relationships seem to be based upon his financial worth to them and little else.

He not only goes and marries a Wags:Atlanta actress of all things, he then finally commits total boxing suicide by firing his trainer. This, after rather passively being persuaded to allow Lou DiBella, one of his few loyal aides, to pushed out of his circle.

His fall from grace is now almost complete. One more managerial mistep and he'll be forced to have to beg Fury or Joshua for a fight - if that isn't the case already!

This is an old story being re-enacted yet once more. The kind that even predates the Bible.
Those Greek dramatists could have done an awful lot with this kind of material - the hero brought down by the cunning.

There's more on the situation here from YouTuber HatmanStrikesBack who I think,
rather unfairly, places most of the blame on Deontay Wilder himself.

As they say, hindsight is 20/20.

[pound per pound]

Takam is 39, not sure he's got anything left. He's also pretty small and won't trouble Fury.

Kabayel, other than his lacklustre MD win Chisora, has a Wallin/Schwarz looking record. He's showed a bit more promise than them but is so inactive and against poor opposition that it's hard to tell what his level is.

Fury should beat both with ease but atleast if it's Kabayel then we might see something new.

I know the 3rd match with Wilder fell though, but these two choices for lack of a better word suck.

Takam will be 40 years old in December. Like you said way past his prime and small. Probably means he'll get picked.

Kayabel isn't much better than Schwartz. He's not a level 1 or level 2 fighter. Kayabel garden variety level 3 heavyweight.

Is this the best Fury can do? These are the types fighters you are matched against on the way up, not as champion.

I have little interest in this fight.

[DrDuke]

Takam is 39, not sure he's got anything left. He's also pretty small and won't trouble Fury.

Kabayel, other than his lacklustre MD win Chisora, has a Wallin/Schwarz looking record. He's showed a bit more promise than them but is so inactive and against poor opposition that it's hard to tell what his level is.

Fury should beat both with ease but atleast if it's Kabayel then we might see something new.

I know the 3rd match with Wilder fell though, but these two choices for lack of a better word suck.

Takam will be 40 years old in December. Like you said way past his prime and small. Probably means he'll get picked.

Kayabel isn't much better than Schwartz. He's not a level 1 or level 2 fighter. Kayabel garden variety level 3 heavyweight.

Is this the best Fury can do? These are the types fighters you are matched against on the way up, not as champion.

I have little interest in this fight.

Kabayel is better than Schwarz. Of course, Fury still will win it easily, but Schwarz wouldn't handle Chisora.

[bbb636]

From rds.ca

Kean promoter "eye of the tiger management" accept all the term, they are now waiting for Fury choice for the opponent.

[margaret thatcher]

Takam is 39, not sure he's got anything left. He's also pretty small and won't trouble Fury.

Kabayel, other than his lacklustre MD win Chisora, has a Wallin/Schwarz looking record. He's showed a bit more promise than them but is so inactive and against poor opposition that it's hard to tell what his level is.

Fury should beat both with ease but atleast if it's Kabayel then we might see something new.

I know the 3rd match with Wilder fell though, but these two choices for lack of a better word suck.

Takam will be 40 years old in December. Like you said way past his prime and small. Probably means he'll get picked.

Kayabel isn't much better than Schwartz. He's not a level 1 or level 2 fighter. Kayabel garden variety level 3 heavyweight.

Is this the best Fury can do? These are the types fighters you are matched against on the way up, not as champion.

I have little interest in this fight.

Agit is much better than Schwarz, he's better than Wallin and Chisora too

[Ruthless-RKO]

They've offered Kabayel. He has 24 hours to accept/reject.

[Enlightened-One]

Tyson Fury will be criticised for facing an unbeaten 28-year-old 235lbs heavyweight fighter, that held the European title and had also defeated a 33-year-old 254½lbs iteration of Dereck Chisora.

However, Oleksandr Usyk was praised for beating a 36-year-old 255½lbs version of Dereck Chisora that had previously tasted defeat nine times and had also been KO’d by Dillian Whyte shortly after the Agit Kabayel loss.

And to be fair, everybody anticipated the outcome of Usyk-Chisora bout, but no one (other than myself) complained about it.

Kabayel beat Chisora, who in turn, defeated Takam, but I strongly suspect more people would prefer Fury to face the French national over the unbeaten German prospect.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Tyson Fury will be criticised for facing an unbeaten 28-year-old 235lbs heavyweight fighter, that held the European title and had also defeated a 33-year-old 254½lbs iteration of Dereck Chisora.

However, Oleksandr Usyk was praised for beating a 36-year-old 255½lbs version of Dereck Chisora that had previously tasted defeat nine times and had also been KO’d by Dillian Whyte shortly after the Agit Kabayel loss.

And to be fair, everybody anticipated the outcome of Usyk-Chisora bout, but no one complained about it.

Kabayel beat Chisora, who in turn, defeated Takam, but I strongly suspect more people would prefer Fury to face the French national over the unbeaten German prospect.

Most on Boxrec actually preferred Kabayel over Takam.

There was a poll on the B&I section.

[Enlightened-One]

Tyson Fury will be criticised for facing an unbeaten 28-year-old 235lbs heavyweight fighter, that held the European title and had also defeated a 33-year-old 254½lbs iteration of Dereck Chisora.

However, Oleksandr Usyk was praised for beating a 36-year-old 255½lbs version of Dereck Chisora that had previously tasted defeat nine times and had also been KO’d by Dillian Whyte shortly after the Agit Kabayel loss.

And to be fair, everybody anticipated the outcome of Usyk-Chisora bout, but no one complained about it.

Kabayel beat Chisora, who in turn, defeated Takam, but I strongly suspect more people would prefer Fury to face the French national over the unbeaten German prospect.

Most on Boxrec actually preferred Kabayel over Takam.

There was a poll on the B&I section.

I rarely frequent that board, so I didn’t see it.

That said, I still think that people will complain about Fury facing Kabayel.

Only time will tell whether I’m right or not.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Tyson Fury will be criticised for facing an unbeaten 28-year-old 235lbs heavyweight fighter, that held the European title and had also defeated a 33-year-old 254½lbs iteration of Dereck Chisora.

However, Oleksandr Usyk was praised for beating a 36-year-old 255½lbs version of Dereck Chisora that had previously tasted defeat nine times and had also been KO’d by Dillian Whyte shortly after the Agit Kabayel loss.

And to be fair, everybody anticipated the outcome of Usyk-Chisora bout, but no one complained about it.

Kabayel beat Chisora, who in turn, defeated Takam, but I strongly suspect more people would prefer Fury to face the French national over the unbeaten German prospect.

Most on Boxrec actually preferred Kabayel over Takam.

There was a poll on the B&I section.

I rarely frequent that board, so I didn’t see it.

That said, I still think that people will complain about Fury facing Kabayel.

Only time will tell whether I’m right or not.

When the options are Kabayel or Takam, it's understandable that people would want the unbeaten more fresher one who would be more in his prime..

[Enlightened-One]

Most on Boxrec actually preferred Kabayel over Takam.

There was a poll on the B&I section.

I rarely frequent that board, so I didn’t see it.

That said, I still think that people will complain about Fury facing Kabayel.

Only time will tell whether I’m right or not.

When the options are Kabayel or Takam, it's understandable that people would want the unbeaten more fresher one who would be more in his prime..

Yeah, sorry, I meant that people will complain more about Fury facing Kabayel rather than an established name.

And I'll also trust your opinion about the forum generally preferring Kabayel over Takam, since I rarely frequent the B&I section.