Old man'd

[brilo33]

Daniel Zaragoza v Wayne McCullough

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

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Great story.

Reminded me of an article by John 'Iceman' Scully from years ago where he talks about befriending Moore via letter when he was still a kid and how Moore used to offer him advice through his amateur career

One of the tricks he said Moore taught him was to yell into his opponent's ear in the clinch to disorientate them. God knows if Scully ever put that one to use.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of-20 ... -the-1980s.
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DEFINITELY. I still have the letter from him. He used to tell me all kinds of stuff like that ...i was only a kid then, like 16 or 17, and I never tried the yelling in the ear.

[Frostieballs]

From the memory banks, Julius Francis vs Mike Holden. Jab, jab, jab.....

[Ricky]

What fights was young upstart old man'd by the senior boxer??

Hopkins against Pavlik springs to mind, also Ali vs Spinks rematch and Holmes vs Mercer

Hopkins vs Pavlik i thought was probably Bhops finest showing imo. Fancied Pavlik that night, vintage stuff.

[bennie]

And didn't Kevin Finnegan old man Tony Sibson - I'll leave that one to Bennie because I have never actually seen all 15 rounds.

Yes, Finnegan was too seasoned for the 21-year-old Sibbo, picking his shots well and firing back whenever Sibbo did connect. Finnegan had an iron jaw. He fought Marvin Hagler twice, Alan Minter three times, Gratien Tonna twice, Charlie Weir, Ayub Kalule, Frankie Lucas... The man was never floored.

[Deserter]

And didn't Kevin Finnegan old man Tony Sibson - I'll leave that one to Bennie because I have never actually seen all 15 rounds.

Yes, Finnegan was too seasoned for the 21-year-old Sibbo, picking his shots well and firing back whenever Sibbo did connect. Finnegan had an iron jaw. He fought Marvin Hagler twice, Alan Minter three times, Gratien Tonna twice, Charlie Weir, Ayub Kalule, Frankie Lucas... The man was never floored.

That's one hell of a resume... so easy to focus on the Benn/Eubank/Watson era and forget some of the domestic greats who went before them. If Marvin Hagler refers to you as the toughest man he ever fought, that speaks volumes.

[bennie]

And didn't Kevin Finnegan old man Tony Sibson - I'll leave that one to Bennie because I have never actually seen all 15 rounds.

Yes, Finnegan was too seasoned for the 21-year-old Sibbo, picking his shots well and firing back whenever Sibbo did connect. Finnegan had an iron jaw. He fought Marvin Hagler twice, Alan Minter three times, Gratien Tonna twice, Charlie Weir, Ayub Kalule, Frankie Lucas... The man was never floored.

That's one hell of a resume... so easy to focus on the Benn/Eubank/Watson era and forget some of the domestic greats who went before them. If Marvin Hagler refers to you as the toughest man he ever fought, that speaks volumes.

Kevin was one of those desperately unlucky fighters. He was on the verge of a world title crack at Carlos Monzon in 1975 when he suffered a badly broken jaw in a routine 10-rounder which he actually managed to win. That cost him six months of his career and then came his three desperately close, controversial 15-rounders with Minter. The first was impossible to split; Finnegan had Minter reeling all over the ring in the second and the third was also highly subjective. Minter got the nod all three times. His luck finally turned against Sibson on a bitterly cold night at the Albert Hall in November 1979 and he went on to win the European middleweight title with a brilliant display against against French wildman Gratien Tonna, who was once machine-gunned in a Marseilles street. He deserved another crack at Minter, now the undisputed world middleweight champion, but Minter was tied to mandated defences against Vito Antuofermo and Hagler.

[Wee Tommy]

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Great story.

Reminded me of an article by John 'Iceman' Scully from years ago where he talks about befriending Moore via letter when he was still a kid and how Moore used to offer him advice through his amateur career

One of the tricks he said Moore taught him was to yell into his opponent's ear in the clinch to disorientate them. God knows if Scully ever put that one to use.

https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/articles-of-20 ... -the-1980s.
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DEFINITELY. I still have the letter from him. He used to tell me all kinds of stuff like that ...i was only a kid then, like 16 or 17, and I never tried the yelling in the ear.
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I bet it would work at least once

[skanksta]

Salido vs Loma.
Coming in overweight and constant fouling - masterful use of the dark arts to beat a guy out of his league.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Duran beating Iran Barkley thats always been one of my favourites, was meant to be an easy payday for Iran, but Roberto turned up in the mood for a fight

Yeah, love that fight, Duran was incredible that night.

Tobey v Jirov was another one.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hopkins Pascal 2

I was there in Montreal and Hopkins was in his head big time!! Doing push-ups in between rounds and just so efficient with his output. It was masterful boxing and I almost felt sorry for Pascal. Hopkins was 47!!! That’s madness.

Yeah, truly amazing win.

[Old bones Ian]

Tyrone Booze vs Derek Angol, the American Booze was brought over as the beatable opponent, but he completely old manned Angol, riding out the early onslaught to stop Angol who completely ran out of gas.

[Deserter]

Hopkins Pascal 2

I was there in Montreal and Hopkins was in his head big time!! Doing push-ups in between rounds and just so efficient with his output. It was masterful boxing and I almost felt sorry for Pascal. Hopkins was 47!!! That’s madness.

Yeah, truly amazing win.

x2. Great call.

[bennie]

Does Dave McAuley - Duke McKenzie count ?

Yes. McAuley had lost twice to Fidel Bassa in WBA title cracks and looked all worn out in the rematch. He then sat on the sidelines for over a year before Mickey Duff chose him to challenge the younger, unbeaten McKenzie at Wembley in June 1989. Nobody gave McAuley a chance but the Irishman came to win and he pounded McKenzie in one of the most enjoyable fights I can remember sitting through. A couple of months earlier, McKenzie had turned up at a boxing bash with a bimbo on his arm and an attitude that can only be described as abnoxious. I really wanted Dave to beat him and he dealt out a long, slow, punishing beating to take the IBF title by scores of 115-113 (twice) and 117-113. Those scores reveal the influence promoter Duff wielded in those days. McKenzie was never in the hunt.
I later spoke to Duke about his attitude and he told me that he was starving himself to make flyweight by 1989, which is completely true, and the desperate struggle to get down made him inevitably fractious. Nice guy Duke moved up to bantamweight afterwards while McAuley racked up a few defences and made himself a few quid.
Dave overachieved when you consider that all through his career he liked a ciggie and a few beers. He also wasted a few years after missing out on selection for the 1980 Moscow Olympics because he went into a sulk and didn't turn pro until October 1983. He later messed up his hands on the hard head of the much shorter Bobby "Sherbert" McDermott in a thrilling fight on the McGuigan-Pedroza undercard which Dave won in the very last round with McDermott clearly well ahead. He came back to win the British flyweight title against Joe Kelly in another bruiser and proved he was world class in the first Bassa fight, which ranks as one of the greatest fights in British boxing history. Dave was naturally heavy handed and held his own with featherweight Paul Hodkinson in sparring in the Barney Eastwood Belfast gym.

[Old bones Ian]

Looked up Fidal Bassa, seems to be doing very well for himself as well, company director in Columbia

[stujones]

Probably been mentioned but Graham vs Johnson.

[Old bones Ian]

Guillermo Jones old manned quite a few, he's got to be older than his declared age

[bennie]

Looked up Fidal Bassa, seems to be doing very well for himself as well, company director in Columbia

Yes, he was smart enough to save all his ring earnings and when a detached retina eventually forced his retirement, he proved that there is life after boxing.

[stujones]

Otis Grant vs Ryan Rhodes

Jon Jo Irwin vs Esham Pickering

[Steveh583]

jesse james leija vs bojado

[rimmjobb]

DLH vs JC Chavez

JC Chavez vs Frankie Randall

[bennie]

Bone crusher - Bruno

Bonecrusher was certainly much older than Frank (31 compared to Bruno's 22); however, he entered the fight with just 14 fights behind him while Bruno was 21-0. I didn't give Bonecrusher a chance because he hadn't fought anyone apart from the blubbery James Broad in his pro debut and Broad had stopped him. Of course the same was true of Bruno, whose record was padded to say the least and the one name really worth a mention, Jumbo Cummings, had nearly knocked him out. Nevertheless, Bruno had home advantage and he built up a big lead against the giant American with the left jab but he didn't really convince and fell apart when he was tagged in the very last round. It was a bad night for manager Terry Lawless, who also saw Mark Kaylor floored six times and stopped by Buster Drayton on the card. The only happy man was Harry Mullan, the editor of Boxing News who was at war with Lawless and Mickey Duff at the time.

[bennie]

Bone crusher - Bruno

Bonecrusher was certainly much older than Frank (31 compared to Bruno's 22); however, he entered the fight with just 14 fights behind him while Bruno was 21-0. I didn't give Bonecrusher a chance because he hadn't fought anyone apart from the blubbery James Broad in his pro debut and Broad had stopped him. Of course the same was true of Bruno, whose record was padded to say the least and the one name really worth a mention, Jumbo Cummings, had nearly knocked him out. Nevertheless, Bruno had home advantage and he built up a big lead against the giant American with the left jab but he didn't really convince and fell apart when he was tagged in the very last round. It was a bad night for manager Terry Lawless, who also saw Mark Kaylor floored six times and stopped by Buster Drayton on the card. The only happy man was Harry Mullan, the editor of Boxing News who was at war with Lawless and Mickey Duff at the time.

Good points - I looked only at age. Cheers bennie love your knowledge and write ups

Thank you, but my knowledge comes to an abrupt end in 1989.

[bennie]

Anyone remember the Ossie Ocasio fight with Lennox Lewis - over eight rounds and properly fucked a young LL around - he severly clowned him - lost the fight on points (he lost every round) but came back and beat up Jess Harding - Ossie was no mug.

Ossie was a cute fighter who beat plenty of good men and took part in one of the greatest fights in cruiserweight history against Kenya's gifted and unbeaten John Odhiambo in the immense heat of Puerto Rico in 1984. It was a homecoming for Ocasio, who had won the inaugural WBA cruiserweight title in hostile South Africa in 1982 and retained a couple of times in the States, but Odhiambo gave everything for 13 rounds and looked sure to be ahead when Ocasio took over in the 14th and then forced a stoppage in the dying seconds of the 15th, with Odhiambo completely spent. There were no complaints from the Kenyan's corner. Amazingly, all three judges had the champion ahead.
Ossie or "Jaws" as he was dubbed (Gawd knows why) lost his title in another 15-rounder a fight later but his experience allowed him to earn well over the ensuing years and I watched him toy with Ray Mercer on the Leonard-Duran undercard in a bitterly cold Las Vegas in December 1989. Mercer had won Olympic gold in the previous year, stopping every one of his opponents, but Ocasio took him to a split decision and continued to educate the up-and-comers over the next few years and always with a smile on his face.
I liked Ossie because he looked finished a few times in his long career but proved a world class survivor in every sense of the phrase. Michael Dokes starched him in a round, after a previous draw between them, and a nonchalant Larry Holmes belted him in seven rounds for the world heavyweight title. His lowest point came against our own John L. Gardner at Wembley in 1981 when he collapsed from a left jab in round six and took the full count. Harry Mullan went beserk in Boxing News and just wouldn't let it go. Mullan was still using him as a prop to knock the infamous Cartel when Ocasio won his world title a year later. Then came his thrilling, gruelling fight with Odhimabo when Ocasio proved to everyone, if not Mullan, that he was all fighter.

[Cyclops]

Wasn't Jon Partridge old man'd by "ancient cokehead" Neil Malpass?