Most interesting fight of all time

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Jun 2006, 16:09

Ok interesting I'll go along with because of how revealing it would likely be. Competitive? I think probably not.....And Jaclem's right.....would he sign on the line? Never in a million years.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Jun 2006, 21:26

Marciano verses Liston would be an intriuging matchup for the following reason. Whenever a potential fight between the two has been discussed on another thread you don't see people leaning strongly for either man. Pro Marciano people think their guy would fair well in a war of attrition but are not sure the Rock could stand up against Listons size and power. Pro Liston people think Sonny has all of the physical tools but are not sure if he would fold if the fight wore on and things got difficult. Usually when someone post about a matchup they are convinced their guy would win hands down usually by knockout. This fight is the exception to the rule where it has the air of uncertainy.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 30 Jun 2006, 21:44

Pryor is sort of a difficult guy to assess do to his premature retirement. I know their has been some debate about him being overated but that was not always the case. He entered the fight game with less fan fare than alot of fighters. Even after becoming champion he was not all that hearalded. Going into the first Argello fight few people picked him to win. Once he beat Alexis that changed a bit. Sort of like a gunfighter in the old west. He took on the reputation of the person he beat.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Jul 2006, 00:45

kick asner wrote:Marciano verses Liston would be an intriuging matchup for the following reason. Whenever a potential fight between the two has been discussed on another thread you don't see people leaning strongly for either man. Pro Marciano people think their guy would fair well in a war of attrition but are not sure the Rock could stand up against Listons size and power. Pro Liston people think Sonny has all of the physical tools but are not sure if he would fold if the fight wore on and things got difficult. Usually when someone post about a matchup they are convinced their guy would win hands down usually by knockout. This fight is the exception to the rule where it has the air of uncertainy.

good point, im in that boat

i also think incredibly high of liston and marciano i rate them both # 5 and # 6 all time,

people who critisize sonny need to watch more film of him. he looks incredible on film. he literally dominates very good/great top heavyweight contenders(in an era)

hes incredible on film at using his god gifted tools

Friedie · Post by **Friedie** » 01 Jul 2006, 07:06

pundit wrote:For me it's the 1938 Louis vs. the 1965 Ali, no question.

I'd also like to see how Jack Dempsey or Rocky Marciano would do against great heavyweights of other eras. Dempsey-Schmeling or Marciano-Liston for starters.

Gene Tunney vs. Ezzard Charles for the undisputed all-time light-heavyweight crown.

Harry Greb or Sam Langford vs. the best modern middle/light-heavyweights.

Finally, Hagler-Hopkins would make me very curious.

...Dempsey and Schmeling fought each other for two rounds in an exibition back in 1925.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 01 Jul 2006, 07:23

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
kick asner wrote:Marciano verses Liston would be an intriuging matchup for the following reason. Whenever a potential fight between the two has been discussed on another thread you don't see people leaning strongly for either man. Pro Marciano people think their guy would fair well in a war of attrition but are not sure the Rock could stand up against Listons size and power. Pro Liston people think Sonny has all of the physical tools but are not sure if he would fold if the fight wore on and things got difficult. Usually when someone post about a matchup they are convinced their guy would win hands down usually by knockout. This fight is the exception to the rule where it has the air of uncertainy.
good point, im in that boat

i also think incredibly high of liston and marciano i rate them both # 5 and # 6 all time,

people who critisize sonny need to watch more film of him. he looks incredible on film. he literally dominates very good/great top heavyweight contenders(in an era)

hes incredible on film at using his god gifted tools

I think Liston is somewhat underated as a boxer, now as a fighter people will give him his just due, but he was more than a guy with just size stregnth and a powerful jab.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 01 Jul 2006, 07:51

I agree . Next time any fights of his are shown , watch how adept Sonny was at slipping his opponents punches and countering with that poleax jab of his while coming forward.
I would call Sonny a boxer /puncher, who had a great left hand.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 01 Jul 2006, 11:07

One reason people might underate Liston as a boxer is because of the first Ali fight where a young Cassius Clay was able to beat him to the punch while slipping punches thrown in return.

tboy100 · Post by **tboy100** » 01 Jul 2006, 22:17

How about.....

George Foreman v Larry Holmes
Salvador Sanchez v Eusebio Pedroza
Lennox Lewis v Riddick Bowe (pro)
Michael Spinks v Bob Foster
Barry Mcguigan v Azumah Nelson
John Conteh v Victor Galindez
Ray Robinson v Ezzard Charles
Ray Robinson v Archie Moore
Ray Robinson v Charley Burley
Jeff Chandler v Lupe Pintor
Wilfred Benitez v Aaron Pryor
Jack Dempsey v Harry Wills

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 02 Jul 2006, 01:30

kick asner wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
kick asner wrote:Marciano verses Liston would be an intriuging matchup for the following reason. Whenever a potential fight between the two has been discussed on another thread you don't see people leaning strongly for either man. Pro Marciano people think their guy would fair well in a war of attrition but are not sure the Rock could stand up against Listons size and power. Pro Liston people think Sonny has all of the physical tools but are not sure if he would fold if the fight wore on and things got difficult. Usually when someone post about a matchup they are convinced their guy would win hands down usually by knockout. This fight is the exception to the rule where it has the air of uncertainy.
good point, im in that boat

i also think incredibly high of liston and marciano i rate them both # 5 and # 6 all time,

people who critisize sonny need to watch more film of him. he looks incredible on film. he literally dominates very good/great top heavyweight contenders(in an era)

hes incredible on film at using his god gifted tools

I think Liston is somewhat underated as a boxer, now as a fighter people will give him his just due, but he was more than a guy with just size stregnth and a powerful jab.

agreed he did have very good boxing skill

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 02 Jul 2006, 01:38

Bob Foster -v- Thomas Hearns at LH.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 02 Jul 2006, 04:44

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
kick asner wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: good point, im in that boat

i also think incredibly high of liston and marciano i rate them both # 5 and # 6 all time,

people who critisize sonny need to watch more film of him. he looks incredible on film. he literally dominates very good/great top heavyweight contenders(in an era)

hes incredible on film at using his god gifted tools

I think Liston is somewhat underated as a boxer, now as a fighter people will give him his just due, but he was more than a guy with just size stregnth and a powerful jab.
agreed he did have very good boxing skill

This fight depends on Marcianos chin. He never did fight anyone with the power of Liston. On the other hand, Liston probably never faced anyone as powerful as Marciano either..

Marciano would try to turn it into a slugfest, but Liston was more skilled and could probably keep Marciano away with his incredible left jab. Liston was bigger and had awesome punching power. This favors him. Still, I cannot help but believe that Marciano would manage to survive the early rampage of Liston and still be around in the later rounds. And if the fight goes beyond five rounds, Marciano takes a prime Liston out by late ko.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 02 Jul 2006, 04:52

generic screen name wrote:Thomas Hearns vs Oscar De La Hoya

Interesting fight, if it was at 147. As much as I respect De La Hoya's boxing ability at 147, I don't think he has the stamina to take advantage of Hearns in the later rounds when he slows down. I think Tommy frustrates Oscar in the earlier rounds with his long jab and stuns him a few times with a staight right, racking up points. They get into heavy exchanges in the mid rounds both tasting the mat. Oscar trys to get inside to work the body in the later rounds but doesn't have the power left to get him out of there.

hearns wins by UD

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 02 Jul 2006, 15:32

tboy100 wrote:Ray Robinson v Ezzard Charles

One sided beating.

Ray Robinson v Archie Moore

Oh dear... Massacre.

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You have to bear in mind that Robinson never faced a puncher in anywhere near the same stratosphere as Ezzard Charles, let alone Archie Moore. Graziano? Levine? Get outta here. Not only were they welterweights and middleweights, they didn't have the skill to mount a consistent attack on Robinson.

'Robinson was beating Joey Maxim until the heat got him' - sure he was, but Maxim did just about fcuk all that night, and he was not a hard hitter by any means.

Archie Moore was a harder hitter than anybody Robinson faced. He was a more accurate puncher than anybody Robinson faced, was better at setting up his shots and had a right hand as fast as anybody. Robinson was a natural welterweight - at 175lbs his speed, stamina, agility and power would suffer greatly, while Moore would be sitting there at his best weight. I doubt Moore would even get hit by many of the then-slow Robinson's punches, and even if he did they wouldn't carry enough velocity to hurt him. Moore would force Robinson on the back foot and hunt him for a few rounds before smacking him all about the ring and forcing a stoppage.

The two men were pretty much the same height, but just look at the difference in build:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/sugar.jpg

http://www.writestuffautographs.com/sho ... xing58.jpg

Moore was far too good at light heavyweight for Robinson and the same goes for Charles.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 02 Jul 2006, 16:38

Decagon wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:Bob Foster -v- Thomas Hearns at LH.
Foster by death.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 04 Jul 2006, 19:45

tboy100 wrote:How about.....

George Foreman v Larry Holmes

Love to see this matchup There was two threads I beleive on this

One matchup I'd like to see is a prime Naseem Hamed vs Floyd Mayweather Jr.