Cyclone / Frampton Court Case

[coneye]

Thanks for posting this up , Its interesting reading ,,, But Jeez don't the mcguigans come across has a bunch of snakes , The lot of them should be banned from boxing in any shape or form , including Shane ,

[liamlion]

Apologies if some of these articles are repeating the same thing.. Don't want to miss anything.

No apologies needed pal. You’re doing a stirling job with this updates. Please keep them coming!

This court case is a very fascinating and rare insight into the workings of top level professional boxing with the details of contract, purses, payments etc being exposed and detailed.

[cam2010]

Apologies if some of these articles are repeating the same thing.. Don't want to miss anything.

No apologies needed pal. You’re doing a stirling job with this updates. Please keep them coming!

This court case is a very fascinating and fare insight into the world of top level professional boxing with the details of contract, purses, payments etc being exposed and detailed.

I assume it isn’t a fair representation of what goes on behind the scenes I think little legs and his family play to their own tune. Constantly bringing up MTK in derogatory terms when it seems they are not much better than your common thief

[liamlion]

Apologies if some of these articles are repeating the same thing.. Don't want to miss anything.

No apologies needed pal. You’re doing a stirling job with this updates. Please keep them coming!

This court case is a very fascinating and fare insight into the world of top level professional boxing with the details of contract, purses, payments etc being exposed and detailed.

I assume it isn’t a fair representation of what goes on behind the scenes I think little legs and his family play to their own tune. Constantly bringing up MTK in derogatory terms when it seems they are not much better than your common thief

No mate. That was a typo - it meant to say rare. And now duly edited.

[cam2010]

Apologies if some of these articles are repeating the same thing.. Don't want to miss anything.

No apologies needed pal. You’re doing a stirling job with this updates. Please keep them coming!

This court case is a very fascinating and rare insight into the workings of top level professional boxing with the details of contract, purses, payments etc being exposed and detailed.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Proceedings adjourned in Frampton/McGuigan case after 10,000 potentially relevant emails discovered

MORE than 10,000 emails potentially relevant to boxer Carl Frampton's legal battle with ex-manager Barry McGuigan have just been discovered, the High Court heard today.

A judge was previously told the electronic messages were either lost or deleted from the McGuigan family's Cyclone Promotions account.

But in an unexpected development on day 20 of the multi-million pound trial, it emerged that masses of archived emails were found on the company's systems last week.

Proceedings were adjourned as a "mammoth" trawl through all the newly-located material continued.

Mr Frampton (33) is suing Mr McGuigan and Cyclone for alleged withheld earnings.

In a counter action, the former two-weight world champion is facing a claim for breach of contract by quitting the organisation in August 2017. Both men deny any wrongdoing.

During his evidence last week, Mr McGuigan's promoter son was pressed about company emails relating to eight fights under scrutiny.

Blain McGuigan told the court they were deleted to free up space ahead of a planned switch in company accounts in 2017.

Members of the Cyclone team had been advised to get rid of old correspondence no longer relevant to future events, he said.

The migration process was also said to have resulted in "irretrievable" emails.

But on Friday it emerged that batches have now been found on Cyclone accounts, with further checks carried out over the weekend.

The court was told that 2,600 emails were located in Blain McGuigan archives; around 1,000 in Barry McGuigan's; 5,000 in his wife Sandra's; and a potentially higher figure in the account of another son, Jake McGuigan.

At one point Mr Justice Huddleson said: "Even on a preliminary discussion you are talking about nine to ten thousand emails."

Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, argued that large numbers of digital documents of no real relevance should not be disclosed en masse at such a late stage, incurring extra time and costs.

"The predicament we face at the moment is what appears to us to be an example of document dumping," he said.

According to Mr Millar the question of gaining access to emails had been an issue before the trial began, with a figure of 270 identified back in May 2019.

"Large numbers of emails, both external and internal, over the four-year period at issue relating to my client's promotions and fights must have existed and/or must still exist," Mr Millar contended.

The development led to evidence being put on hold so that lawyers can examine all of the newly discovered material.

Counsel for the McGuigan family and Cyclone Promotions stressed his instructing solicitor carried out discovery obligations "diligently and professionally throughout".

Liam McCollum QC said: "This is not of his making at all, but I haven't got to the bottom of the reasons why this has occurred so late because I have been concentrating on what has to be provided now and that's a mammoth task, we have been working all weekend at it."

Responding to the suggestion that everything was "dumped" on the other side, Mr McCollum insisted all documents were relevant to the case.

"Part of my learned friend's case is that we are hiding material," he said.

"Therefore we have to say you are entitled to see it all, to prove that we are not hiding anything."

He added: "Anything that is relevant to a Mr Frampton fight or Mr Frampton's sponsorship is included in the overall mass of emails that are all in the cloud.

"What we are trying to do is look to see which ones have been emerging in evidence during the trial and isolating those out.

"Some of them are banal, but they are banal ones that have been touched upon by the evidence."

Adjourning the hearing so that the process can continue, the judge told counsel: "I will require an affidavit as to how all of this came about."

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, argued that large numbers of digital documents of no real relevance should not be disclosed en masse at such a late stage, incurring extra time and costs.

Surprised by this statement. Are we to assume therefore that the emails may contain evidence that will undermine Carl ? I expected it to be the other way around tbh.

[rio]

Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, argued that large numbers of digital documents of no real relevance should not be disclosed en masse at such a late stage, incurring extra time and costs.

Surprised by this statement. Are we to assume therefore that the emails may contain evidence that will undermine Carl ? I expected it to be the other way around tbh.

Agree.....I thought this would be the smoking gun for Carl as it seemed very dodgy 'Hilary Clinton style' that all the emails were deleted. Anyone with any law experience know how this trial is going for Frampton? The 6 million hes asking for seems a bit steep, not sure where that figure came from. Also will the loser have to pay the winners legal fees?

[cam2010]

Frampton needs to get Perry Mason out of retirement
I’d love too get my hands all emails relevant to Chantelle Cameron

[cam2010]

Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, argued that large numbers of digital documents of no real relevance should not be disclosed en masse at such a late stage, incurring extra time and costs.

Surprised by this statement. Are we to assume therefore that the emails may contain evidence that will undermine Carl ? I expected it to be the other way around tbh.

Probably referring too all the disputes with all the other boxers who he fell out with

[Roars Like Me]

Was it the Mcguigan"s that found them or others looking into their accounts? If the former then they must have thought, this looks bad on Carl, let's dig some more up. If not it will still be interesting to see what happens next.

[JimJim2009]

Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, argued that large numbers of digital documents of no real relevance should not be disclosed en masse at such a late stage, incurring extra time and costs.

Surprised by this statement. Are we to assume therefore that the emails may contain evidence that will undermine Carl ? I expected it to be the other way around tbh.

Wow, imagine the cost of ten thousand emails being reviewed by a solicitor on maybe £300 an hour.

I don't buy the excuse of freeing up space. They could have backed up all those emails on a fifty quid drive.

[mickey1975]

Gavin Millar QC, for Mr Frampton, argued that large numbers of digital documents of no real relevance should not be disclosed en masse at such a late stage, incurring extra time and costs.

Surprised by this statement. Are we to assume therefore that the emails may contain evidence that will undermine Carl ? I expected it to be the other way around tbh.

Wow, imagine the cost of ten thousand emails being reviewed by a solicitor on maybe £300 an hour.

I don't buy the excuse of freeing up space. They could have backed up all those emails on a fifty quid drive.

And billed Carl for it.

[liamlion]

I can’t imagine the mcguigans are going to o disclose any emails, particularly at this stage, if it were to undermine their case.

This blows a bit of a hole in Frampton’s case; that he was taken advantage of and kept in the dark. The deleted emails were being used by Frampton’s legal team as evidence of destruction of potential evidence by the mcguigans that could have assisted Frampton or be used to undermine the mcguigans. That theory has now gone upon service of the emails.

[steve689]

What a mess. Roll back the stone and watch the cockroaches squirm in the light.

[JimJim2009]

I can’t imagine the mcguigans are going to o disclose any emails, particularly at this stage, if it were to undermine their case.

This blows a bit of a hole in Frampton’s case; that he was taken advantage of and kept in the dark. The deleted emails were being used by Frampton’s legal team as evidence of destruction of potential evidence by the mcguigans that could have assisted Frampton or be used to undermine the mcguigans. That theory has now gone upon service of the emails.

Good point I know we're speculating, but I think if these 10,000 emails were considered lost, and now aren't lost, then presumably both sides' legal cases, which will have cost a fortune, have been built on understandings of their respective situations without those emails. I bet both sides wish they could hit the reset button and go back to the start. The lawyers will be laughing all the way to the bank.

[TheGman]

What a mess. Roll back the stone and watch the cockroaches squirm in the light.

Hahahaha

[TheGman]

Frampton waited 10 months for £1m payout, court is told

Boxer 'switched to a Belfast-based accountant to look after his money'

Carl Frampton had to wait nearly 10 months for his promoters to hand him a million pound payout from one of his world title fights, the High Court has heard.

On day 18 of the legal battle between former world champions Barry McGuigan and Mr Frampton, questions were raised as to why it took the Belfast boxer so long to receive his cut from the £2m generated by the lucrative bout with Scott Quigg in 2016.

Promoter Blain McGuigan, Barry's eldest son, however, defended the delay in payment, putting it down to accounting problems on Mr Frampton's part.

He also could not account for items of expenditure in upmarket New York fashion stores after another fight later that year, when questioned by Gavin Miller QC during the hearing.

Mr Frampton (33), a dual-weight world boxing champion, is suing Barry McGuigan and the family-owned Cyclone Promotions for £6m in alleged withheld earnings.

In a counter-suit, Barry McGuigan (59) is counter claiming against his one-time protege for breach of contract when he ended their partnership in 2017.

Both men deny the respective allegations against them.

As Blain McGuigan's cross-examination continued yesterday, Mr Millar, acting for Mr Frampton, demanded to know why it took so long for money from the Quigg fight - which the Tigers Bay boxer won to add the WBA super-bantamweight title to the IBF crown he already owned - to be paid when the Manchester bout was in February.

Cylone, in conjunction with co-promoters Matchroom, received just over £1.5m in July of that year, with a further £580,000 coming through ticket sales and overseas television deals, the court heard.

Blain McGuigan said arrangements with Matchroom had to be sorted out first, a situation Mr Frampton was "completely relaxed about". According to the barrister, however a disagreement had been developing throughout 2016, with Mr Frampton eventually switching to a Belfast-based accountant to look after his financial interests.

"This is all a complete cover for the fact that you wanted to hold on to that money for as long as you could to have the benefit of that money," Mr Millar suggested.

But Mr McGuigan insisted Cyclone had no need to withhold any earnings when it had other successful shows and TV deals at the time.

During the hearing it emerged that £75,000 had been allocated as expenses for the Quigg fight in Manchester's Arena.

Mr Millar said that this was part of an attempt to reduce the level of profits, without supporting invoices. "You have inflated the expenses beyond what can be justified," he alleged, to which Mr McGuigan replied: "I disagree. There were a huge amount of expenses around this fight, it was a massive event, a 19,000-seater indoor arena with a huge amount of build-up, promotional work around that, multiple press conferences in different countries."

Amid claims that Cyclone tried to maximise deductions before paying Mr Frampton, he replied that the company "fought tooth and nail" to cut costs submitted by Matchroom.

"Carl would have lost a large amount of money, £175,000 of the overall income, if we hadn't done that," he said.

Mr Justice Huddleston was told the boxer's training camp expenses and fees of up to £42,000 for sanctioning the Quigg contest were "knocked off".

Referring to another Mr Frampton fight in 2016, the featherweight title bout with Mexican Leo Santa Cruz in New York, the barrister questioned expenses incurred on that trip.

Mr Millar said: "They include for example, on July 25, 2016, expenditure at La Perla (an up-market lingerie store). How could that be a fight expense?" to which Mr McGuigan replied: "I don't know".

Mr Millar continued: "And then on August 2, Bloomingdales New York £170.66. This is after the fight. How could that be a fight expense?"

Mr McGuigan replied: "I don't know. This wasn't charged to Mr Frampton, just to be clear about that".

In response Mr Millar said: "We don't know because he was never given an itemised breakdown in December 2016 of what made up the sums on that document. We didn't get a breakdown of these figures".

Mr McGuigan replied: "We do know. There would have been legitimate expenses in there - travel, cost of his strength and conditioning trainer, his coaches, a lot of obvious expenses."

Mr Millar added: "August 11, 10 days after the fight, Stuart Weitzman... a high end women's shoe retailer in New York."

To which Mr McGuigan replied: "I'm not familiar with that".

Mr Millar then queried another expense item from the document in evidence, saying: "August 12, Sunspan tanning £23. Any idea what that is?"

Mr McGuigan again replied that he didn't.

The case continues.

Usually the tanning happens in the ring lol

[BigDoofus]

I don't buy the excuse of freeing up space. They could have backed up all those emails on a fifty quid drive.

Or they could have spent the fifty quid on lingerie

[Ruthless-RKO]

This article was before the emails were recovered and case was adjourned | Nothing to do with court case

Carl Frampton's neighbours thought he was being arrested... Jackal laughs off 'jail lorry' drama


The drug test truck outside Carl Frampton's house

Carl Frampton almost found himself the victim of fake news early yesterday morning when his neighbours thought he was being arrested.

The Belfast boxing hero, currently embroiled a long-running court battle with his former manager Barry McGuigan, had an early morning call at his home from two men in dark uniforms driving a lorry.

The Jackal was escorted to the white truck at approximately 7am, not to face police interrogation but to undergo a random drugs test.

"It turns out that at least one of my neighbours thought that I was being scooped and contacted the media," explained the Sunday Life columnist (right).

"I guess it didn't help matters when the van broke down in the middle of a three-point turn, so it looked like a barricade.

"I must admit that the van did look like one of those prisoner transportation vehicles, but I can assure everyone that it was simply a case of a random drugs test.

"Due to the Covid restrictions, they were not able to come into the house as normal to carry out the test, so they brought the mobile unit instead.

"But it clearly looked like some big incident was kicking off because the van didn't leave until around 10.30am after a recovery truck was sent out to get it going again.

"Clearly it gave the neighbours some early morning entertainment and the blinds must have been twitching.

"But it was only me having to do a pee at seven o'clock in the morning for the drug testers."

Two-weight world champion Frampton is currently waiting to hear when and where his big fight with WBO super-featherweight title holder Jamel Herring will be staged.

The Belfast man will be bidding to become the first Irish boxer to win titles in three different weight categories.

[JimJim2009]

I don't buy the excuse of freeing up space. They could have backed up all those emails on a fifty quid drive.

Or they could have spent the fifty quid on lingerie

If we're getting saucy PM me mate

[TopGun]

I cannot fathom the amount of money this will be costing on legal fees. If Barry loses the case, will he protected being a a LTd company or will he pay for this out of his own money personally? Could this case make Mcguigan bankrupt?

[MarkMcBurney]

I cannot fathom the amount of money this will be costing on legal fees. If Barry loses the case, will he protected being a a LTd company or will he pay for this out of his own money personally? Could this case make Mcguigan bankrupt?

The devil is in the detail; if the case is against Cyclone Promotions Ltd then it won't make any difference to him personally other than losing whatever money/assets are in the company. Would cause a few issues in the family when the gravy train is derailed though I'm sure.

If its a case against Barry McGuigan personally that is a different ball game. Sounds as if its against the company though in which case he won't be made bankrupt.

[cam2010]

I think the Mcguigan family members were named as well as cyclone in the initial charges

[liamlion]

I cannot fathom the amount of money this will be costing on legal fees. If Barry loses the case, will he protected being a a LTd company or will he pay for this out of his own money personally? Could this case make Mcguigan bankrupt?

The devil is in the detail; if the case is against Cyclone Promotions Ltd then it won't make any difference to him personally other than losing whatever money/assets are in the company. Would cause a few issues in the family when the gravy train is derailed though I'm sure.

If its a case against Barry McGuigan personally that is a different ball game. Sounds as if its against the company though in which case he won't be made bankrupt.

The named parties who Frampton is bringing the action against is Cyclone, Barry McGuigan and Sandra McGuigan:

https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5 ... 449bdf2a3c