FMJ vs Sergio Martinez @ 154 lbs in 2011 - that would've been a solid match

[apollo creed]

I think many of us would've wanted to see this match b/c Martinez's boxing style, size and stance would've put problems to Floyd.

[gilgamesh]

In 2011 at 154, I'd have favored Martinez to win.

2 years later, and he'd lose.

[Enlightened-One]

I was going to criticise this thread, because it’s stupid.

But anyway, Floyd dominates Sergio Martinez with consummate ease.

Any fighter that struggles (i.e. losing at least four rounds) against the likes of Darren Barker, Martin Murray and Matthew Macklin (whilst they’re in their prime) isn’t going to be competitive against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Nobody in their right mind would favour Martinez against Mayweather in 2011 at 154lbs.

[apollo creed]

In 2011 at 154, I'd have favored Martinez to win.

2 years later, and he'd lose.

In 2011 Floyd fought Victor Ortiz. It's a pity that Floyd didn't go for a top dog like Martinez at that time. Both fighters were with HBO. The fight would've been easy to be made. So many good fights didn't happen when the time was right in terms of competitiveness.

[Onetimeonly]

Sergio would have had a hard time with that weight. An even harder time with a drug test.

[Enlightened-One]

In 2011 at 154, I'd have favored Martinez to win.

2 years later, and he'd lose.

In 2011 Floyd fought Victor Ortiz. It's a pity that Floyd didn't go for a top dog...

A previously retired super-featherweight making a comeback against the WBC world welterweight champion (rated top-three at 147lbs) is no mean feat.

Are you forgetting about the fighters Floyd faced immediately before and after the Ortiz bout? Mosley and Cotto!

Who did Martinez face during 2011? Serhiy Dzinziruk and Darren Barker!

[apollo creed]

I was going to criticise this thread, because it’s stupid.

But anyway, Floyd dominates Sergio Martinez with consummate ease.

Any fighter that struggles (i.e. losing at least four rounds) against the likes of Darren Barker, Martin Murray and Matthew Macklin (whilst they’re in their prime) isn’t going to be competitive against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Nobody in their right mind would favour Martinez against Mayweather in 2011 at 154lbs.

Do you even know that Martinez moved up at 160 lbs and beat Pavlik (mw champion who beat Hopkins) and then he Ko'd Paul Williams in rematch?

Imo I think 2011 Martinez vs FMJ @ 154 lbs would've been Floyd's most difficult fight , much difficult than a 2008-2010 version of Pacquiao would've been.

[apollo creed]

In 2011 at 154, I'd have favored Martinez to win.

2 years later, and he'd lose.

In 2011 Floyd fought Victor Ortiz. It's a pity that Floyd didn't go for a top dog...

A previously retired super-featherweight making a comeback against the WBC world welterweight champion (rated top-three at 147lbs) is no mean feat.

Are you forgetting about the fighters Floyd faced immediately before and after the Ortiz bout? Mosley and Cotto!

Who did Martinez face during 2011? Serhiy Dzinziruk and Darren Barker!

In 2010 Martinez had the best two wins of his career. I supposed that a possible fight with Floyd would've been in 2011 in an ideal world since the 2010 year was ending.

Martinez was a good fighter at that time and a worthy one for a fight with FMJ!

[margaret thatcher]

floyd woulda beat sergio and ggg

[Enlightened-One]

Do you even know that Martinez moved up at 160 lbs and beat Pavlik (mw champion who beat Hopkins).

Hopkins absolutely dominated Pavlik.

[DrDuke]

Mayweather would win quite clearly.

[detamour]

In 2011 at 154, I'd have favored Martinez to win.

2 years later, and he'd lose.

In 2011 Floyd fought Victor Ortiz. It's a pity that Floyd didn't go for a top dog like Martinez at that time. Both fighters were with HBO. The fight would've been easy to be made. So many good fights didn't happen when the time was right in terms of competitiveness.

Was floyd ever a Light Middleweight @ why did Martinez complain Hopkins and ward were too big for him again?

[detamour]

I was going to criticise this thread, because it’s stupid.

But anyway, Floyd dominates Sergio Martinez with consummate ease.

Any fighter that struggles (i.e. losing at least four rounds) against the likes of Darren Barker, Martin Murray and Matthew Macklin (whilst they’re in their prime) isn’t going to be competitive against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Nobody in their right mind would favour Martinez against Mayweather in 2011 at 154lbs.

Do you even know that Martinez moved up at 160 lbs and beat Pavlik (mw champion who beat Hopkins) and then he Ko'd Paul Williams in rematch?

Imo I think 2011 Martinez vs FMJ @ 154 lbs would've been Floyd's most difficult fight , much difficult than a 2008-2010 version of Pacquiao would've been.

Why would you want Floyd to fight a bigger fraMED GUY WHO COULD MAke Super middle and clearly avoided hopkins and ward who were his size. But, wanted Floyd for a Payday?

[Enlightened-One]

Do you even know that Martinez moved up at 160 lbs and beat Pavlik (mw champion who beat Hopkins).

Why would you want Floyd to fight a bigger fraMED GUY WHO COULD MAke Super middle and clearly avoided hopkins and ward who were his size. But, wanted Floyd for a Payday?

There's no point in asking that sort of question to someone who wrongly believes that Pavlik beat Hopkins, when in fact 'The Ghost' was absolutely dominated by 'The Executioner'.

[bobcatbox]

I think Floyd loses this fight and rather badly at that.
Martinez is way too big and skilled. Mayweather managed to use what was left of his prime to take advantage of a young Canelo. But he could not have beaten a legit middleweight and a skilled vet like Martinez at 154.

[detamour]

I think Floyd loses this fight and rather badly at that.
Martinez is way too big and skilled. Mayweather managed to use what was left of his prime to take advantage of a young Canelo. But he could not have beaten a legit middleweight and a skilled vet like Martinez at 154.

Note, Floyd was not in his prime or eeven close to it at 36. And, Canelo who had more fights than floyd was closer to his and was humiliated by the older man who had the better Fundamentals. As, for Martinez ask why he complained that Hopkins and Ward who wer both his size but declined them and GGG WHO DECLINED THEM TOO!

[apollo creed]

I think Floyd loses this fight and rather badly at that.
Martinez is way too big and skilled. Mayweather managed to use what was left of his prime to take advantage of a young Canelo. But he could not have beaten a legit middleweight and a skilled vet like Martinez at 154.

Also Martinez was a jr mw that moved up for bigger fights.

Floyd has the reach of 72" and Martinez 73". So finally Floyd would've had to fight an opponent with a slightly bigger reach advantage. Floyd was a very rangy welter. The only two welters with a bigger reach that Floyd were Vernon Forrest and Paul Williams.

[apollo creed]

I think Martinez vs FMJ @ 154 lbs in 2011 would've been a much quality and intriguing fight than FMJ vs Cotto.

At that time Martinez came after two quality wins over Pavlik and P.W II and I think there was no problem for Martinez to make 154 lbs for a fight with PBF. Also both fighters were with HBO.

It would've been a great fight!

[Enlightened-One]

Sergio Martinez wasn’t a pay-per-view attraction in 2011 and during the very same year, any bout between the Argentine and Mayweather would have been a non-title fight.

Floyd needed the Victor Ortiz tune-up towards the end of 2011 to rid himself of the ring rust he’d accumulated during his temporary sixteen-month retirement from the sport.

And Mayweather’s 2012 fight against Miguel Cotto was not only commercially bigger than any potential Martinez bout, but it also allowed the American to claim another world title at 154lbs.

I also feel that a lot of people lost interest in Sergio Martinez from 2012 onwards, barring the Chavez Jr bout (with the Mexican considered the main attraction), because the Argentine’s performances against Barker, Macklin and Murray were unimpressive.

And this led to his window of opportunity to potentially engage in a catch-weight bout against Mayweather permanently closing.

To be fair, if you compared Floyd’s resume to Martinez’s from 2011 onwards, it’s plain to see that Mayweather never needed Sergio.

Let’s not forget that Miguel Cotto absolutely destroyed Sergio Martinez a couple of years after the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was comfortably beaten by Mayweather.

So it’s not as if the absence of a Martinez victory on Floyd’s resume is considered a huge stain on Mayweather’s legacy.

[apollo creed]

Do you even know that Martinez moved up at 160 lbs and beat Pavlik (mw champion who beat Hopkins).

Hopkins absolutely dominated Pavlik.

My bad. I was thinking about Pavlik's win over Taylor- who beat Hopkins.

[apollo creed]

Sergio Martinez wasn’t a pay-per-view attraction in 2011 and during the very same year, any bout between the Argentine and Mayweather would have been a non-title fight.

Floyd needed the Victor Ortiz tune-up towards the end of 2011 to rid himself of the ring rust he’d accumulated during his temporary sixteen-month retirement from the sport.

And Mayweather’s 2012 fight against Miguel Cotto was not only commercially bigger than any potential Martinez bout, but it also allowed the American to claim another world title at 154lbs.

I also feel that a lot of people lost interest in Sergio Martinez from 2012 onwards, barring the Chavez Jr bout (with the Mexican considered the main attraction), because the Argentine’s performances against Barker, Macklin and Murray were unimpressive.

And this led to his window of opportunity to potentially engage in a catch-weight bout against Mayweather permanently closing.

To be fair, if you compared Floyd’s resume to Martinez’s from 2011 onwards, it’s plain to see that Mayweather never needed Sergio.

Let’s not forget that Miguel Cotto absolutely destroyed Sergio Martinez a couple of years after the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was comfortably beaten by Mayweather.

So it’s not as if the absence of a Martinez victory on Floyd’s resume is considered a huge stain on Mayweather’s legacy.

I was saying that it would've been an intriguing fight just for the sake of competitiveness. I know that Martinez was not a high profile fighter with a big fan base like ODLH, Cotto or Canelo.

Martinez was an old crippled fighter when he fought Cotto, just to get a big payday. 2011 Martinez vs 2011 Cotto at c/w or even at 154 lbs would've been a different story.

[Jaywheel]

Lol at bringing up Cotto-Martinez. Sergio fought in a wheelchair that night ffs.

[Enlightened-One]

Lol at bringing up Cotto-Martinez. Sergio fought in a wheelchair that night ffs.

No one should boast about possessing wisdom based on hindsight alone, because those that do such things refuse to consider context, compelling them to lazily and unfairly undermine the accomplishments of those that achieved great things.

Sergio Martinez was heavily favoured (69.2% or -225) to defeat the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer, with Miguel Cotto considered the underdog.

Miguel Cotto had suffered two losses and only defeated one journeyman in the 2½ years immediately preceding the Sergio Martinez bout.

The Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was considered a small 154lb-er and was making his middleweight debut against The RING and WBC champion, who was also classed amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders in the sport that had enjoyed a 4½ year winning streak, which included victories over five current/former/future world champions (i.e. Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.).

Let’s not forget that Cotto’s coach, Freddie Roach, had predicted a fourth round KO victory for his man. And the Puerto Rican jumped on the Argentine from the get-go (landing a huge left hook) within the opening minute of the first round, which Martinez failed to recover from (resulting in three knockdowns within the first three minutes of the bout, which clearly had nothing to do with Sergio's knees).

[apollo creed]

Lol at bringing up Cotto-Martinez. Sergio fought in a wheelchair that night ffs.

Yeah, that's what I've said it too. It seems like eo sounds like broken cuckoo clock with his ol' repetitive long posts. lol

[Enlightened-One]

Lol at bringing up Cotto-Martinez. Sergio fought in a wheelchair that night ffs.

Yeah, that's what I've said it too. It seems like eo sounds like broken cuckoo clock with his ol' repetitive long posts. lol

Repetitive long posts or factually accurate information that contradicts your beliefs?

No one should boast about possessing wisdom based on hindsight alone, because those that do such things refuse to consider context, compelling them to lazily and unfairly undermine the accomplishments of those that achieved great things.

Sergio Martinez was heavily favoured (69.2% or -225) to defeat the Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer, with Miguel Cotto considered the underdog.

Miguel Cotto had suffered two losses and only defeated one journeyman in the 2½ years immediately preceding the Sergio Martinez bout.

The Puerto Rican Hall-of-Famer was considered a small 154lb-er and was making his middleweight debut against The RING and WBC champion, who was also classed amongst the top-five pound-for-pounders in the sport that had enjoyed a 4½ year winning streak, which included victories over five current/former/future world champions (i.e. Kelly Pavlik, Paul Williams, Serhiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.).

Let’s not forget that Cotto’s coach, Freddie Roach, had predicted a fourth round KO victory for his man. And the Puerto Rican jumped on the Argentine from the get-go (landing a huge left hook) within the opening minute of the first round, which Martinez failed to recover from (resulting in three knockdowns within the first three minutes of the bout, which clearly had nothing to do with Sergio's knees).