Terence Crawford vs. Kell Brook - 14 November 2020

[rd350lc]

He stepped up for an opportunity, I don't see how it ruined him. He looked good against Spence. He's run into 3 of the best fighters of his era. Last night he met the best.

Agree .
It's hardly shameful is it , lost to elite fighters , so it's no big deal really .

I've always liked Brook. It's always amused me being on the other side of the pond how some of my favorite Brits, froch is one of my favorite period, aren't beloved there.

It's something some folk seem to do in this country .
They like to knock achievers in life , happens in all walks of life too .
Don't be under the impression everyone is like it though , there is still a big following that get behind the majority of boxers .

[Onetimeonly]

Used to be a time when the promoters promoted. Then again, Bob laughed at Floyd for saying he wanted to fight Oscar for 20 million. Took 750k as a buyout for the most financially successful boxer ever.

[Onetimeonly]

Agree .
It's hardly shameful is it , lost to elite fighters , so it's no big deal really .

I've always liked Brook. It's always amused me being on the other side of the pond how some of my favorite Brits, froch is one of my favorite period, aren't beloved there.

It's something some folk seem to do in this country .
They like to knock achievers in life , happens in all walks of life too .
Don't be under the impression everyone is like it though , there is still a big following that get behind the majority of boxers .

I just figured it was local media and fans jamming them down your throat. A couple weeks back I remember ruthless being shocked that I cheer against loma because of his rabid fans on here. Can't cheer for everyone.

[Onetimeonly]

And y'all are amazing fans. Sorry to see the same greed and bullshit hit you like it did here.

[skanksta]

He stepped up for an opportunity, I don't see how it ruined him. He looked good against Spence. He's run into 3 of the best fighters of his era. Last night he met the best.

He looked like he was a round or two up on the cards when his eyebones cracked again. IF they hadn’t already been bust by GGG he’d “probably” have won that fight and been ve later p4p.
Fine margins and all that, but I’m pretty sure the GGG fight DID ruin him.

[Onetimeonly]

He stepped up for an opportunity, I don't see how it ruined him. He looked good against Spence. He's run into 3 of the best fighters of his era. Last night he met the best.

He looked like he was a round or two up on the cards when his eyebones cracked again. IF they hadn’t already been bust by GGG he’d “probably” have won that fight and been ve later p4p.
Fine margins and all that, but I’m pretty sure the GGG fight DID ruin him.

It was different eyes.

[TheLeprechaun]

Have you a link to Dom asking for 200k or are you making it up?

His youtube interview is basically giving out about fighters moving on when they make big purses.

When I was getting 10 per cent of £1,000, £2000, £3000 purses you’re putting in all the hard work then, you’re building a base and you’re putting in time and effort and hours for the pay-off later on down the line. When they become world champions and they don’t appreciate what they’ve got, it’s disappointing. I’ve been with Kell 23 years, since he was 10.

He mentions the 10% figure. Brook is getting 2 million from what I've read. Ingle seems a bit aggrieved, saying he's not even watching the fight. So im assuming he would have expected 200k. Now correct me if im wrong because I may not have got it right.

And look im not saying a good corner isn't a huge help. Dom probably saved his career with the GGG pullout and he took a lot of stick for pulling him out. 200k just seems way too much for me.

There is zero evidence on youtube of this interview ever happening.

Perhaps I got mixed up and it was in the article that in fairness I did quote in my post. I think you are associated with the Ingle gym so im not sure if you are capable of having an unbiased discussion. The article I quoted mentions Dom complaining about fighters not appreciating and leads one to believe that he was getting 10% of purses from early on in fighters careers. Saying he's not even going to watch the fight. Are you saying that Dom, who is probably your mate, did not want 10%? Because you can probably clear that up for us if Dom is your mate. If that is the case then I stand corrected and I am happy to retract my comments. I based my comments on what I read from those quotes from Dom and I did say in the posts that I was speculating.

Brendan came out and said he fell out with Naz due to wanting to keep the same percentage despite Naz earning millions which was ridiculous in my view.

[TheLeprechaun]

He stepped up for an opportunity, I don't see how it ruined him. He looked good against Spence. He's run into 3 of the best fighters of his era. Last night he met the best.

He looked like he was a round or two up on the cards when his eyebones cracked again. IF they hadn’t already been bust by GGG he’d “probably” have won that fight and been ve later p4p.
Fine margins and all that, but I’m pretty sure the GGG fight DID ruin him.

It was different eyes.

It's possible he was prone to those orbital injuries due to the way his skull is constituted in that area. However, I think it's probably more likely that GGG gave him the injuries or at least weakened the area. A welterweight is not supposed to be getting clubbed in the face by one of the biggest middleweight punchers of all time.

[AntonioMartin]

Agree .
It's hardly shameful is it , lost to elite fighters , so it's no big deal really .

I've always liked Brook. It's always amused me being on the other side of the pond how some of my favorite Brits, froch is one of my favorite period, aren't beloved there.

It's something some folk seem to do in this country .
They like to knock achievers in life , happens in all walks of life too .
Don't be under the impression everyone is like it though , there is still a big following that get behind the majority of boxers .

What country you live at? Though that happens in every country...it happens in my house!

[skanksta]

He stepped up for an opportunity, I don't see how it ruined him. He looked good against Spence. He's run into 3 of the best fighters of his era. Last night he met the best.

He looked like he was a round or two up on the cards when his eyebones cracked again. IF they hadn’t already been bust by GGG he’d “probably” have won that fight and been ve later p4p.
Fine margins and all that, but I’m pretty sure the GGG fight DID ruin him.

It was different eyes.

Yeah, but once the structural integrity of the face is broken...

[Onetimeonly]

He looked like he was a round or two up on the cards when his eyebones cracked again. IF they hadn’t already been bust by GGG he’d “probably” have won that fight and been ve later p4p.
Fine margins and all that, but I’m pretty sure the GGG fight DID ruin him.

It was different eyes.

Yeah, but once the structural integrity of the face is broken...

That doesn't make sense.

[skanksta]

Um.., it does ?

[Pugilist-specialist]

His youtube interview is basically giving out about fighters moving on when they make big purses.

When I was getting 10 per cent of £1,000, £2000, £3000 purses you’re putting in all the hard work then, you’re building a base and you’re putting in time and effort and hours for the pay-off later on down the line. When they become world champions and they don’t appreciate what they’ve got, it’s disappointing. I’ve been with Kell 23 years, since he was 10.

He mentions the 10% figure. Brook is getting 2 million from what I've read. Ingle seems a bit aggrieved, saying he's not even watching the fight. So im assuming he would have expected 200k. Now correct me if im wrong because I may not have got it right.

And look im not saying a good corner isn't a huge help. Dom probably saved his career with the GGG pullout and he took a lot of stick for pulling him out. 200k just seems way too much for me.

There is zero evidence on youtube of this interview ever happening.

Perhaps I got mixed up and it was in the article that in fairness I did quote in my post. I think you are associated with the Ingle gym so im not sure if you are capable of having an unbiased discussion. The article I quoted mentions Dom complaining about fighters not appreciating and leads one to believe that he was getting 10% of purses from early on in fighters careers. Saying he's not even going to watch the fight. Are you saying that Dom, who is probably your mate, did not want 10%? Because you can probably clear that up for us if Dom is your mate. If that is the case then I stand corrected and I am happy to retract my comments. I based my comments on what I read from those quotes from Dom and I did say in the posts that I was speculating.

Brendan came out and said he fell out with Naz due to wanting to keep the same percentage despite Naz earning millions which was ridiculous in my view.

I couldn't find the video so asked you. I'm trying to be unbiased.
I've never in my life approached people asking about their finances. Your guesstimate is high as Kell's purse was in dollars.
I have seen videos of Kell and Dom both explaining why the split happened and neither mentioned money.
Brendan spent 11 years training Naz full-time and driving him around the country without receiving one penny. According to the book "The Paddy and the Prince", the final straw was when Brendan was in a hotel room in New York and a contract was slid under his door offering him 2%.

[handsofstone]

That Bob Arum quote is savage

[whiskey]

Brook's punch resistance has gone.

Its a shame his team didn't push the kitchen sink out to get that Cotto fight at Madison square garden that was once rumored, when Brook finally getting his act together both inside and outside the ring.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Its a shame his team didn't push the kitchen sink out to get that Cotto fight at Madison square garden that was once rumored, when Brook finally getting his act together both inside and outside the ring.

Yeh, he was gonna be Cotto's farewell fight..

“We came pretty close,” Brook said in an exclusive with Sky Sports. “I left it to Eddie [Hearn] but I know that we were in talks and everything else, I know that we were very close with it, but for one thing or another, it didn’t happen.”

Kell shared that he felt boxing was really deprived of a great matchup “I would have loved that fight. I think the fans would have loved that fight.”
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Imagine he had fully campaigned at 154, how well would he have done against Charlo, or Hurd even.

Thing with Brook is, in his mind, he never really left 147.

The fights he had at 154, where nobody fights, he was still pushing for 147 fights. Spence told Brook to get a belt at 154, then he'll rematch him.

[danconnollyeire]

Agree .
It's hardly shameful is it , lost to elite fighters , so it's no big deal really .

I've always liked Brook. It's always amused me being on the other side of the pond how some of my favorite Brits, froch is one of my favorite period, aren't beloved there.

It's something some folk seem to do in this country .
They like to knock achievers in life , happens in all walks of life too .
Don't be under the impression everyone is like it though , there is still a big following that get behind the majority of boxers .

Absolute bullsh1t. Froch puts everyone off with his mouth. I like Fury and can’t stand Froch... theory blown

[danconnollyeire]

His youtube interview is basically giving out about fighters moving on when they make big purses.

When I was getting 10 per cent of £1,000, £2000, £3000 purses you’re putting in all the hard work then, you’re building a base and you’re putting in time and effort and hours for the pay-off later on down the line. When they become world champions and they don’t appreciate what they’ve got, it’s disappointing. I’ve been with Kell 23 years, since he was 10.

He mentions the 10% figure. Brook is getting 2 million from what I've read. Ingle seems a bit aggrieved, saying he's not even watching the fight. So im assuming he would have expected 200k. Now correct me if im wrong because I may not have got it right.

And look im not saying a good corner isn't a huge help. Dom probably saved his career with the GGG pullout and he took a lot of stick for pulling him out. 200k just seems way too much for me.

There is zero evidence on youtube of this interview ever happening.

Perhaps I got mixed up and it was in the article that in fairness I did quote in my post. I think you are associated with the Ingle gym so im not sure if you are capable of having an unbiased discussion. The article I quoted mentions Dom complaining about fighters not appreciating and leads one to believe that he was getting 10% of purses from early on in fighters careers. Saying he's not even going to watch the fight. Are you saying that Dom, who is probably your mate, did not want 10%? Because you can probably clear that up for us if Dom is your mate. If that is the case then I stand corrected and I am happy to retract my comments. I based my comments on what I read from those quotes from Dom and I did say in the posts that I was speculating.

Brendan came out and said he fell out with Naz due to wanting to keep the same percentage despite Naz earning millions which was ridiculous in my view.

That last comment is ridiculous. Why would he drop his % as Naz became more successful?

You train someone to become successful then drop your % as they make more money? Sounds like the worlds world ever business man. Do never go on the apprentice

[Ricky]

I've always liked Brook. It's always amused me being on the other side of the pond how some of my favorite Brits, froch is one of my favorite period, aren't beloved there.

It's something some folk seem to do in this country .
They like to knock achievers in life , happens in all walks of life too .
Don't be under the impression everyone is like it though , there is still a big following that get behind the majority of boxers .

Absolute bullsh1t. Froch puts everyone off with his mouth. I like Fury and can’t stand Froch... theory blown

I never really took to Froch either for whatever reason, even though he has the style of fight i love. I guess it's cause I was always a Calzaghe guy and snigger at the idea Froch would take a round off him.

[TheLeprechaun]

There is zero evidence on youtube of this interview ever happening.

Perhaps I got mixed up and it was in the article that in fairness I did quote in my post. I think you are associated with the Ingle gym so im not sure if you are capable of having an unbiased discussion. The article I quoted mentions Dom complaining about fighters not appreciating and leads one to believe that he was getting 10% of purses from early on in fighters careers. Saying he's not even going to watch the fight. Are you saying that Dom, who is probably your mate, did not want 10%? Because you can probably clear that up for us if Dom is your mate. If that is the case then I stand corrected and I am happy to retract my comments. I based my comments on what I read from those quotes from Dom and I did say in the posts that I was speculating.

Brendan came out and said he fell out with Naz due to wanting to keep the same percentage despite Naz earning millions which was ridiculous in my view.

That last comment is ridiculous. Why would he drop his % as Naz became more successful?

You train someone to become successful then drop your % as they make more money? Sounds like the worlds world ever business man. Do never go on the apprentice

Because it's unreasonable. Lets say Naz gets a 300k purse and pays Brendan 30k. It's probably a reasonable amount. When he was making 2 million a fight, it's time to renegotiate the percentage. If you think he should be paying 200k to Brendan after every fight (he was on a 6 fight deal worth 12 million at the time), then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't make it past the interview stage to get on The Apprentice.

[Jimmy2020]

It's up to each individual trainer to decide whether pride is more important to them than a pay cheque. 10% of nothing doesn't buy you much down the supermarket. Maybe maintaining a mindset that at some point there's a very good chance a big earning fighter is going to bring up the idea of a re-negotiation and you'll not take it personally is a preferable mindset to getting the hump and falling out.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Perhaps I got mixed up and it was in the article that in fairness I did quote in my post. I think you are associated with the Ingle gym so im not sure if you are capable of having an unbiased discussion. The article I quoted mentions Dom complaining about fighters not appreciating and leads one to believe that he was getting 10% of purses from early on in fighters careers. Saying he's not even going to watch the fight. Are you saying that Dom, who is probably your mate, did not want 10%? Because you can probably clear that up for us if Dom is your mate. If that is the case then I stand corrected and I am happy to retract my comments. I based my comments on what I read from those quotes from Dom and I did say in the posts that I was speculating.

Brendan came out and said he fell out with Naz due to wanting to keep the same percentage despite Naz earning millions which was ridiculous in my view.

That last comment is ridiculous. Why would he drop his % as Naz became more successful?

You train someone to become successful then drop your % as they make more money? Sounds like the worlds world ever business man. Do never go on the apprentice

Because it's unreasonable. Lets say Naz gets a 300k purse and pays Brendan 30k. It's probably a reasonable amount. When he was making 2 million a fight, it's time to renegotiate the percentage. If you think he should be paying 200k to Brendan after every fight (he was on a 6 fight deal worth 12 million at the time), then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't make it past the interview stage to get on The Apprentice.

Yeh, It's like Abel wanting to keep his 10% for GGG's new DAZN contract.. Abel already made good money on the GGG-Canelo fights no doubt. Guy must be a multi millionaire and he's a well known trainer.

GGG signs a $100m contract with DAZN, like GGG's gonna give him 10% of that.. He can't really teach him anything new.

Even $2m of that $100m should be enough.

[Pugilist-specialist]

Because it's unreasonable. Lets say Naz gets a 300k purse and pays Brendan 30k. It's probably a reasonable amount. When he was making 2 million a fight, it's time to renegotiate the percentage. If you think he should be paying 200k to Brendan after every fight (he was on a 6 fight deal worth 12 million at the time), then I'm pretty sure you wouldn't make it past the interview stage to get on The Apprentice.

Perhaps Brendan and Naz isn't the best example for your argument after Brendan spent 11 years unpaid turning a 7 year old into the world's most exciting fighter.
What if Naz had carried on being disciplined, listening to Brendan and improving? If he'd trained properly and beat Barrera he would have earned many millions more.
Why do you think Naz keeps sending prospects to the Ingle gym?

[Jimmy2020]

Naz was never going to beat MAB. Ingle did an amazing job with him over the course of their relationship though.,

[Pugilist-specialist]

Naz was never going to beat MAB. Ingle did an amazing job with him over the course of their relationship though.,

That's your opinion.
Naz was the man at featherweight in 96 and was lined up to fight Barrera. He was ringside in New York to watch him but Barrera got smashed by Junior Jones. Naz was in poor condition when he did fight Barrera 5 years later.
My point was that paying a trainer less money didn't help his career or future earnings.