He was facing bakruptcy if he lost and a future loss of earnings to the mcguigans. He had a lot to lose but is now a free agent. He has a lot to be happy about.Shhhh wrote: ↑12 Nov 2020, 15:07 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54914630
Frampton seems to have got the result by the looks of thins
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Now let this be a lesson to ALL FUTURE BOXERS , stay away from the Mcgigans
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Frampton and McGuigan: Why the sudden legal settlement?
At the heart of the court case involving boxer Carl Frampton and his former manager Barry McGuigan was a paper mountain of contracts, bank statements and emails.
There was enough paperwork to fill the boot of a car.
Just before the case came to an abrupt and unexpected end with a confidential settlement outside court, it was the thousands of emails which were the focus of attention.
Mr Frampton and Mr McGuigan, once close friends and business partners, had been suing each other in a multi-million-pound financial dispute relating to their eight-year partnership, which ended in the summer of 2017.
They blamed each other, saying they felt let down by someone they had trusted and admired.
Anyone who has followed a commercial legal case will know that the large black folders of documents sitting on the lawyers' benches are often much more relevant than any headline-grabbing sound bites uttered in the witness box.
The problem for journalists covering proceedings is that even though these documents may be discussed in court, reporters are not normally issued with copies.
In the Frampton-McGuigan case, extracts of documents and emails were discussed but not everything submitted to the court was read out.
Last week, the McGuigan family discovered thousands of emails which previously they had been unable to find. Although the emails were mentioned in court, the details were not revealed. All that was said was that they related to dealings they had with Mr Frampton and were potentially relevant.
There was a long discussion in court about the logistics of how the emails, about 10,000 in total, were going to be accessed by Mr Frampton's legal team.
The plan was for the case to resume once this was sorted. Proceedings were adjourned for a few days.
Then, out of the blue, the dispute was settled.
The case had an estimated two more weeks to run, with more witnesses due to give evidence including financial experts.
So why the sudden settlement?
The fact it came so soon after the emails had been found suggested, on the face of it, an obvious link. After all, there had been ample time to settle previously.
The dispute dates back more than three years. Suddenly the emails emerge and within a week the long-running case is resolved.
However, it is still quite a jump to speculate that the case was settled because of the emails when their contents have not been made public.
Did Mr Frampton or Mr McGuigan simply run out of patience with the legal process?
The court case took much longer than expected. It started in September and even if it finished before Christmas, judgement was likely to be reserved, meaning a further wait for an end to it all.
Both men are not used to putting on a suit and sitting in a courtroom all day. The truth, however, is there was no sign from either of them that they were ready to throw in the towel.
They both arrived at court even on days that they did not have to be there. Clearly, they did not want to miss a thing.
One possible explanation for the decision to settle the case was the short adjournment in recent days provided by the time needed to access the emails.
Did the brief break in proceedings offer both sides a breathing space, a time for reflection?
Settling 'right thing to do'
Only a small number of people know the real reason for the surprise settlement, the men themselves and their legal teams.
Once they reached their agreement, they both issued statements. Then, a few hours later, Mr Frampton agreed to be interviewed by the BBC.
Here is our exchange:
"Why did you settle?"
"It was the right thing to do. The agreement was right for me to settle on and I was happy with the terms that were agreed and put to me. That's the reason why."
"Does that mean you won?"
"Well, I can't say that, no, but I can say I'm very, very happy with the terms of the settlement."
Mr McGuigan has not done any media interviews but he is considering a number of requests.
A statement was issued on his behalf: "Barry and Blain McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions have reached a settlement in relation to their litigation with Carl Frampton in the Belfast High Court.
"The parties reached this settlement during the trial and no judgement has been issued by the court as to the merits of either case."
So what happens next?
The end of the legal proceedings marks the formal cutting of all ties between two men who once formed a hugely successful sporting partnership.
Carl Frampton and Barry McGuigan may never work together again but given that they are both involved in boxing, it is possible their paths will cross.
However, even if the pandemic has ended by then, they are likely to be socially distanced.
At the heart of the court case involving boxer Carl Frampton and his former manager Barry McGuigan was a paper mountain of contracts, bank statements and emails.
There was enough paperwork to fill the boot of a car.
Just before the case came to an abrupt and unexpected end with a confidential settlement outside court, it was the thousands of emails which were the focus of attention.
Mr Frampton and Mr McGuigan, once close friends and business partners, had been suing each other in a multi-million-pound financial dispute relating to their eight-year partnership, which ended in the summer of 2017.
They blamed each other, saying they felt let down by someone they had trusted and admired.
Anyone who has followed a commercial legal case will know that the large black folders of documents sitting on the lawyers' benches are often much more relevant than any headline-grabbing sound bites uttered in the witness box.
The problem for journalists covering proceedings is that even though these documents may be discussed in court, reporters are not normally issued with copies.
In the Frampton-McGuigan case, extracts of documents and emails were discussed but not everything submitted to the court was read out.
Last week, the McGuigan family discovered thousands of emails which previously they had been unable to find. Although the emails were mentioned in court, the details were not revealed. All that was said was that they related to dealings they had with Mr Frampton and were potentially relevant.
There was a long discussion in court about the logistics of how the emails, about 10,000 in total, were going to be accessed by Mr Frampton's legal team.
The plan was for the case to resume once this was sorted. Proceedings were adjourned for a few days.
Then, out of the blue, the dispute was settled.
The case had an estimated two more weeks to run, with more witnesses due to give evidence including financial experts.
So why the sudden settlement?
The fact it came so soon after the emails had been found suggested, on the face of it, an obvious link. After all, there had been ample time to settle previously.
The dispute dates back more than three years. Suddenly the emails emerge and within a week the long-running case is resolved.
However, it is still quite a jump to speculate that the case was settled because of the emails when their contents have not been made public.
Did Mr Frampton or Mr McGuigan simply run out of patience with the legal process?
The court case took much longer than expected. It started in September and even if it finished before Christmas, judgement was likely to be reserved, meaning a further wait for an end to it all.
Both men are not used to putting on a suit and sitting in a courtroom all day. The truth, however, is there was no sign from either of them that they were ready to throw in the towel.
They both arrived at court even on days that they did not have to be there. Clearly, they did not want to miss a thing.
One possible explanation for the decision to settle the case was the short adjournment in recent days provided by the time needed to access the emails.
Did the brief break in proceedings offer both sides a breathing space, a time for reflection?
Settling 'right thing to do'
Only a small number of people know the real reason for the surprise settlement, the men themselves and their legal teams.
Once they reached their agreement, they both issued statements. Then, a few hours later, Mr Frampton agreed to be interviewed by the BBC.
Here is our exchange:
"Why did you settle?"
"It was the right thing to do. The agreement was right for me to settle on and I was happy with the terms that were agreed and put to me. That's the reason why."
"Does that mean you won?"
"Well, I can't say that, no, but I can say I'm very, very happy with the terms of the settlement."
Mr McGuigan has not done any media interviews but he is considering a number of requests.
A statement was issued on his behalf: "Barry and Blain McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions have reached a settlement in relation to their litigation with Carl Frampton in the Belfast High Court.
"The parties reached this settlement during the trial and no judgement has been issued by the court as to the merits of either case."
So what happens next?
The end of the legal proceedings marks the formal cutting of all ties between two men who once formed a hugely successful sporting partnership.
Carl Frampton and Barry McGuigan may never work together again but given that they are both involved in boxing, it is possible their paths will cross.
However, even if the pandemic has ended by then, they are likely to be socially distanced.
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Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Nov 2020, 04:57
Carl Frampton and Barry McGuigan may never work together again but given that they are both involved in boxing, it is possible their paths will cross.
However, even if the pandemic has ended by then, they are likely to be socially distanced.
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Barry McGuigan in warning to boxing over Kinahan ‘grip’ after Frampton case
Promoter says the reputed Dublin crime boss has ‘tarnished’ the sport
Reputed Dublin crime boss Daniel Kinahan retains a “grip” on boxing in Ireland, and that is “perilous” to the future of the sport, Barry McGuigan has warned in his first interview following the settlement of his legal action with Carl Frampton.
Mr McGuigan claimed that Mr Kinahan, who founded the boxing promotion company MTK Global, was still heavily involved in the sport despite the Dubliner’s claim he has severed links with the firm.
In an interview published on Sunday in The Sun newspaper, Mr McGuigan also spoke of the pressure of dealing with the more than three year legal battle, the online abuse directed at him and his family and the trauma of losing his daughter, sister and sister-in-law while the action was ongoing.
Mr McGuigan (59) and 33-year-old north Belfast’s Mr Frampton, known as The Jackal, settled the litigation under undisclosed terms after 19 days of testimony spread over more than two months at Belfast’s High Court.
The Clones Cyclone did not reveal why the action was abruptly settled but it came shortly after it emerged the McGuigan family found thousands of previously undisclosed emails.
Former two-weight world champion Mr Frampton sued Mr McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions for £6m after splitting with his manager in late 2017. He claimed Mr McGuigan and family members hid millions in bout and other monies.
Mr McGuigan countersued, claiming breach of contract after the boxer left his stable to join with MTK.
In the interview, Mr McGuigan criticised Mr Kinahan’s involvement in the sport. Mr Kinahan, who has no convictions, has been named by Dublin’s High Court as the leader of the so-called ‘Kinahan cartel’, a criminal organisation involved in “the importation and distribution of controlled drugs and firearms within this jurisdiction”.
The Criminal Assets Bureau has said he “controlled and managed” the operations of the cartel.
Mr McGuigan told the Sun: “Boxing is in the worse state I can ever remember it. The effect of Kinahan has been to diminish and tarnish the sport.
“I don’t think boxing is going to regain its standing until Daniel Kinahan is no longer part of it — he is a black mark on the sport.
“The grip that Kinahan has on the sport is really very worrying. Everyone in Ireland, north and south, knows about him. The sport is in a perilous place.”
In testimony, Mr Frampton said he was not aware of the allegations that MTK was a “front” for a criminal organisation.
Mr McGuigan revealed how he and his family received abusive messages from trolls prior to the start of the trial. But he was “happy” that people were then able to hear his and promoter son Blain’s side of the story during the trial.
“We are very happy the court case is over,” he said, adding that the legal action continued as the family dealt with several tragedies. “I lost my beautiful daughter Danika 15 months ago, my sister and sister-in-law during the court case and that put a great deal of strain on my family,” Mr McGuigan said.
“If people understood what I’ve been through they would understand how difficult the last few years have been.
“My children suffered the same grief as me and to watch that as a father is very difficult.”
Mr McGuigan believes he could not have done more for Mr Frampton and his career.
“In his time with us he reached the top of his game and became a two-weight world champion and hit the pinnacle of his career,” he said.
“It’s disappointing that our relationship ended the way it did.”
He added: “If we better understood how Carl thought and what motivated him, we might not have ended up in litigation, but we can only know how we feel — and we are happy.”
Mr McGuigan, who said he will continue in boxing, said the believes there should be an umbrella body operating above the four main boxing organisations to police doping, medical matters and rankings as well to counter the threat of promotion and management companies building monopolies.
Promoter says the reputed Dublin crime boss has ‘tarnished’ the sport
Reputed Dublin crime boss Daniel Kinahan retains a “grip” on boxing in Ireland, and that is “perilous” to the future of the sport, Barry McGuigan has warned in his first interview following the settlement of his legal action with Carl Frampton.
Mr McGuigan claimed that Mr Kinahan, who founded the boxing promotion company MTK Global, was still heavily involved in the sport despite the Dubliner’s claim he has severed links with the firm.
In an interview published on Sunday in The Sun newspaper, Mr McGuigan also spoke of the pressure of dealing with the more than three year legal battle, the online abuse directed at him and his family and the trauma of losing his daughter, sister and sister-in-law while the action was ongoing.
Mr McGuigan (59) and 33-year-old north Belfast’s Mr Frampton, known as The Jackal, settled the litigation under undisclosed terms after 19 days of testimony spread over more than two months at Belfast’s High Court.
The Clones Cyclone did not reveal why the action was abruptly settled but it came shortly after it emerged the McGuigan family found thousands of previously undisclosed emails.
Former two-weight world champion Mr Frampton sued Mr McGuigan and Cyclone Promotions for £6m after splitting with his manager in late 2017. He claimed Mr McGuigan and family members hid millions in bout and other monies.
Mr McGuigan countersued, claiming breach of contract after the boxer left his stable to join with MTK.
In the interview, Mr McGuigan criticised Mr Kinahan’s involvement in the sport. Mr Kinahan, who has no convictions, has been named by Dublin’s High Court as the leader of the so-called ‘Kinahan cartel’, a criminal organisation involved in “the importation and distribution of controlled drugs and firearms within this jurisdiction”.
The Criminal Assets Bureau has said he “controlled and managed” the operations of the cartel.
Mr McGuigan told the Sun: “Boxing is in the worse state I can ever remember it. The effect of Kinahan has been to diminish and tarnish the sport.
“I don’t think boxing is going to regain its standing until Daniel Kinahan is no longer part of it — he is a black mark on the sport.
“The grip that Kinahan has on the sport is really very worrying. Everyone in Ireland, north and south, knows about him. The sport is in a perilous place.”
In testimony, Mr Frampton said he was not aware of the allegations that MTK was a “front” for a criminal organisation.
Mr McGuigan revealed how he and his family received abusive messages from trolls prior to the start of the trial. But he was “happy” that people were then able to hear his and promoter son Blain’s side of the story during the trial.
“We are very happy the court case is over,” he said, adding that the legal action continued as the family dealt with several tragedies. “I lost my beautiful daughter Danika 15 months ago, my sister and sister-in-law during the court case and that put a great deal of strain on my family,” Mr McGuigan said.
“If people understood what I’ve been through they would understand how difficult the last few years have been.
“My children suffered the same grief as me and to watch that as a father is very difficult.”
Mr McGuigan believes he could not have done more for Mr Frampton and his career.
“In his time with us he reached the top of his game and became a two-weight world champion and hit the pinnacle of his career,” he said.
“It’s disappointing that our relationship ended the way it did.”
He added: “If we better understood how Carl thought and what motivated him, we might not have ended up in litigation, but we can only know how we feel — and we are happy.”
Mr McGuigan, who said he will continue in boxing, said the believes there should be an umbrella body operating above the four main boxing organisations to police doping, medical matters and rankings as well to counter the threat of promotion and management companies building monopolies.
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I suspect there’s stuff in those emails that will look very bad on both parties and weaken both of their arguments, so they just decided to call quits and settle before their credibility diminishes any further.
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Mtk ,, Well is it run by a gangster , probably , but up to now has said gangster ripped off any fighters ,, held money back , got them to be a director in leui of getting paid , allowed familly and freinds to spend on boxers money , ect ect ect , Nope , at least not that anyone has heard about , Do boxers seem to clamor to be part of MTK , yep , cos apparantly it helps get where they want to go and pays well.
With the form that Mcguigan has in this trial it really is the kettle calling the pot black ,,, regards losing his familly , Yep thats a shame and its always gonna be hard for anyone , but maybee if he would of been more honest and transparant , he would'nt of had to put HIMSELF through it
With the form that Mcguigan has in this trial it really is the kettle calling the pot black ,,, regards losing his familly , Yep thats a shame and its always gonna be hard for anyone , but maybee if he would of been more honest and transparant , he would'nt of had to put HIMSELF through it
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Haha I had a sneaky feeling for all his faults mcguigan would be one of the few who had the balls to call out mtk and kinnehans. Fair play to him on that front 
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Nothing to say about the 41 hotel rooms, the withheld purse or the lingerie purchases?Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 07:27 Barry McGuigan in warning to boxing over Kinahan ‘grip’ after Frampton case
Promoter says the reputed Dublin crime boss has ‘tarnished’ the sport
Reputed Dublin crime boss Daniel Kinahan retains a “grip” on boxing in Ireland, and that is “perilous” to the future of the sport, Barry McGuigan has warned in his first interview following the settlement of his legal action with Carl Frampton.
Mr McGuigan claimed that Mr Kinahan, who founded the boxing promotion company MTK Global, was still heavily involved in the sport despite the Dubliner’s claim he has severed links with the firm.
In an interview published on Sunday in The Sun newspaper, Mr McGuigan also spoke of the pressure of dealing with the more than three year legal battle, the online abuse directed at him and his family and the trauma of losing his daughter, sister and sister-in-law while the action was ongoing.
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I know. I find mcguigan a very inspirational man with his winning attitude and determination. Shame he’s got a dark side !watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 10:14 Haha I had a sneaky feeling for all his faults mcguigan would be one of the few who had the balls to call out mtk and kinnehans. Fair play to him on that front
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Dark it’s pitch black,Mcguigan is trying to deflect from the fact that he is no better than a common thief. The most worrying thing is the fact that he intends to carry on working in boxinghigh tower 1 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 12:01I know. I find mcguigan a very inspirational man with his winning attitude and determination. Shame he’s got a dark side !watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 10:14 Haha I had a sneaky feeling for all his faults mcguigan would be one of the few who had the balls to call out mtk and kinnehans. Fair play to him on that front
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Its either those ten thousand emails or this thread mateBoxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 07:54 I suspect there’s stuff in those emails that will look very bad on both parties and weaken both of their arguments, so they just decided to call quits and settle before their credibility diminishes any further.
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I'm not sure anything has been fully proven either way. Judging by the majority of posts by the Boxrec crowd McGuigan is public enemy number one.
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
I'll start my stopwatch for the backlash
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
I'll start my stopwatch for the backlash
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I think the stick Barry is getting is purely down to his way of doing business financiallyTHEBUTCH wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 17:21 I'm not sure anything has been fully proven either way. Judging by the majority of posts by the Boxrec crowd McGuigan is public enemy number one.
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
I'll start my stopwatch for the backlash
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Mcgugian boxing career is over. Who would ever agree to be promoted or managed by him now? Frampton, Taylor, Cummins and Cacece cant all be wrong
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y do the boxers keep leaving and complaining about themTHEBUTCH wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 17:21 I'm not sure anything has been fully proven either way. Judging by the majority of posts by the Boxrec crowd McGuigan is public enemy number one.
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
I'll start my stopwatch for the backlash
just cant appreciate their shrwedness? seems to be an ongoing thing, makes me second guess giving a 'fair play'
it's a tough one, who earned their fair play more, robert smith for his brave defense of terry o c's judging or bazza here
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If it was just Barry ,, You could make a case and sort of say ,, Barry has the knoledge , he has the contacts , he's good at what he does , and so what if he got a little bit more than normal Frampton still done OK ,,, BUT its not his whole familly had there snouts in the trough , and it seems like its a blatant case of ripping a fighter off , so all the lazy parasites did'nt have to get a proper job
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Doubt he will get anyone else big. Not from Ireland anyways.cam2010 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 15:58Dark it’s pitch black,Mcguigan is trying to deflect from the fact that he is no better than a common thief. The most worrying thing is the fact that he intends to carry on working in boxinghigh tower 1 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 12:01I know. I find mcguigan a very inspirational man with his winning attitude and determination. Shame he’s got a dark side !watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 10:14 Haha I had a sneaky feeling for all his faults mcguigan would be one of the few who had the balls to call out mtk and kinnehans. Fair play to him on that front
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41 hotel rooms in Manchester, Frampton's purse withheld. lingerie and womens shoes in New York, £250 at a department store in Canterbury, £260 to a vet in Whitstable, £270 at an antiques store near Canterbury, £350 at a luxury furniture-maker in London, £365 at Marks & Spencer in Canterbury, £48 at a Tandoori restaurant in Canterbury on Christmas Eve, 855 complimentary tickets and 11 non-paying sponsors for Frampton-Martinez (the show made a "loss").......THEBUTCH wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 17:21
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
Which do you find admirable?
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BigDoofus wrote: ↑17 Nov 2020, 06:0341 hotel rooms in Manchester, Frampton's purse withheld. lingerie and womens shoes in New York, £250 at a department store in Canterbury, £260 to a vet in Whitstable, £270 at an antiques store near Canterbury, £350 at a luxury furniture-maker in London, £365 at Marks & Spencer in Canterbury, £48 at a Tandoori restaurant in Canterbury on Christmas Eve, 855 complimentary tickets and 11 non-paying sponsors for Frampton-Martinez (the show made a "loss").......THEBUTCH wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 17:21
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
Which do you find admirable?
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spudder56 wrote: ↑17 Nov 2020, 06:29Well said big doofusBigDoofus wrote: ↑17 Nov 2020, 06:0341 hotel rooms in Manchester, Frampton's purse withheld. lingerie and womens shoes in New York, £250 at a department store in Canterbury, £260 to a vet in Whitstable, £270 at an antiques store near Canterbury, £350 at a luxury furniture-maker in London, £365 at Marks & Spencer in Canterbury, £48 at a Tandoori restaurant in Canterbury on Christmas Eve, 855 complimentary tickets and 11 non-paying sponsors for Frampton-Martinez (the show made a "loss").......THEBUTCH wrote: ↑16 Nov 2020, 17:21
I'm still a big admirer of what the McGuigans achieve...the guidance, training and management of some of his boxers is sheer brilliance. Yes they were good boxers anyway, but bad management can still 'eff up the best of them. I think there are few out there in boxing who are shrewder than the McGuigans.
Which do you find admirable?
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
365 quid in M&S? What did they buy, a trolley full of smoked salmon?
