Crawford vs. Spence, 2021. Who wins ?

[ValMar]

This is the only fight (beyond the HW) I would really like to see next year (if I am alive, of course).
What do you think about ? Who wins ? How ?

[DrDuke]

Of course, Crawford. But probably Spence will be so-so against Garcia and his team will organize him an easier fight, and then they'll do a Porter rematch, while Crawford will take on someone more beatable too, hopefully at least Pac, whose name at least sounds big, and then Spence will do another hiatus due to some sort of other injury, and so on, and so on.

[Onetimeonly]

Of course, Crawford. But probably Spence will be so-so against Garcia and his team will organize him an easier fight, and then they'll do a Porter rematch, while Crawford will take on someone more beatable too, hopefully at least Pac, whose name at least sounds big, and then Spence will do another hiatus due to some sort of other injury, and so on, and so on.

Spence would fight bud tomorrow.

[DrDuke]

Of course, Crawford. But probably Spence will be so-so against Garcia and his team will organize him an easier fight, and then they'll do a Porter rematch, while Crawford will take on someone more beatable too, hopefully at least Pac, whose name at least sounds big, and then Spence will do another hiatus due to some sort of other injury, and so on, and so on.

Spence would fight bud tomorrow.

They both would fight each other tomorrow. But the promotions always have difficulties to organize it.

[Onetimeonly]

Of course, Crawford. But probably Spence will be so-so against Garcia and his team will organize him an easier fight, and then they'll do a Porter rematch, while Crawford will take on someone more beatable too, hopefully at least Pac, whose name at least sounds big, and then Spence will do another hiatus due to some sort of other injury, and so on, and so on.

Spence would fight bud tomorrow.

They both would fight each other tomorrow. But the promotions always have difficulties to organize it.

[Onetimeonly]

On another note, I'd be shocked if Manny fought bud. He wouldn't when they were both with arum. Can't say I blame him, he'd lose on his best night.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Manny isnt fighting Crawford

Manny is done. He might fight again but he will lose to anyone with a pulse now

[NateJR]

I've always favored Crawford, although it's still a 50/50 fight if Spence is still the same after the car accident.

I'm kind of sick of talking about it. I hope Spence handles his business against Garcia, looks good doing so and they fight next year.

[Syntax Error]

I need to see what Spence Jr looks before making up my mind.

That car crash was potentially life changing, so who knows?

Willie Pep must be an inspiration for Spence as he returned successfully after his plane crash, but he wasn't quite the same as prior to the crash.

If Spence isn't quite the same, he could be in trouble as 147 is such a deep division.

[Onetimeonly]

Errol will be fine, but he's going to fight Manny. As much as we want bud/Spence, been my most wanted fight for many years, Spence/Manny generates significantly more money.

[Ruthless-RKO]

WOW! What a poll..

You're only as good as your last fight.. Spence hasn't fought for a while, plis the accident.

When Bud beats The Truth, I don't wanna hear excuses about Spence being broken due to the accident..

We'll find out how much he's been impacted if anything against DSG.

[Enlightened-One]

Errol Spence Jr. is facing Danny Garcia next month, and then he’ll have the Porter rematch, followed by a fight against Keith Thurman during 2021.

Regardless as to whether or not Crawford leaves Top Rank next year, Bud won’t be facing Spence Jr. until 2022, around the same date as Terence’s 35th birthday.

I respect Crawford’s pugilistic talents, but his resume at welterweight is rather dire (in the context of ESPN’s claims about him being the number one pound-for-pounder on the planet). There’s nothing impressive about his victories at 147lbs over Brook, Kavaliauskas, Khan, Benavidez Jr. and Horn. In fact, a couple of those bouts were highly-anticipated mismatches.

I previously believed that Spence Jr. was a better fighter (not a more skilful boxer) and far more proven at 147lbs than Terence Crawford was.

However, the car crash has inevitably compelled me to revise my opinion. I’m just not sure. I now have doubts.

If Spence Jr. beats Danny Garcia next month, which would’ve been a really competitive bout even before the car crash, then I’m going to continue favouring Errol over Bud.

If the fight happens during 2022 and Spence Jr. is somehow unaffected by his car crash ordeal, which is admittedly a big ask, then Errol will beat Crawford convincingly.

One of Crawford’s key strengths is also a weakness. He’s notoriously slow starter, since it usually takes him a few rounds to solve the puzzle presented by his opponents’.

And I’m not sure he’s sufficiently good enough to overcome an early three-round deficit on the judges scorecards to gain a decision victory over a sturdy, heavy-handed bulldozing talent like Spence Jr, especially if Bud is approaching 35 years of age (without having faced a legitimate elite-level opponent for five years).

[Ruthless-RKO]

I respect Crawford’s pugilistic talents, but his resume at welterweight is rather dire (in the context of ESPN’s claims about him being the number one pound-for-pounder on the planet). There’s nothing impressive about his victories at 147lbs over Brook, Kavaliauskas, Khan, Benavidez Jr. and Horn. In fact, a couple of those bouts were highly-anticipated mismatches.

He's probably ranked P4P #1 because he's a 3 weight world champion. Undisputed in on of them and carries on winning and in style.

I know you usually like making a list of (insert name)'s opponents and where they were ranked with Ring or anyone else at the time Crawford fought them.

Why don't you dp this for Crawford opponent's, from when he first beat Burns in Scotland.

As of today, Crawford HAS achieved much more than Spence in boxing. He's one of the most decorated boxers today that are active. Am I wrong?

It's not just beating someone, it's how you beat them too. Also, P4P list's don't just look at what the boxer has achieved in their current weight class and ignore previously weight classes.

I'm not being biased towards Bud, I actually like Spence more than Bud, but you can't go knocking Bud's achievements questioning why he is #1 ranked.

[Enlightened-One]

I respect Crawford’s pugilistic talents, but his resume at welterweight is rather dire (in the context of ESPN’s claims about him being the number one pound-for-pounder on the planet). There’s nothing impressive about his victories at 147lbs over Brook, Kavaliauskas, Khan, Benavidez Jr. and Horn. In fact, a couple of those bouts were highly-anticipated mismatches.

He's probably ranked P4P #1 because he's a 3 weight world champion. Undisputed in on of them and carries on winning and in style.

I know you usually like making a list of (insert name)'s opponents and where they were ranked with Ring or anyone else at the time Crawford fought them.

Why don't you dp this for Crawford opponent's, from when he first beat Burns in Scotland.

As of today, Crawford HAS achieved much more than Spence in boxing. He's one of the most decorated boxers today that are active. Am I wrong?

It's not just beating someone, it's how you beat them too. Also, P4P list's don't just look at what the boxer has achieved in their current weight class and ignore previously weight classes.

I'm not being biased towards Bud, I actually like Spence more than Bud, but you can't go knocking Bud's achievements questioning why he is #1 ranked.

I have never criticised Bud's accomplishments at 140lbs or below, but let's face it, by the time of his next outing (sometime around Spring 2021), more than 3½ years would have transpired since his most recent noteworthy performance over an elite-level opponent (i.e. the Indongo 140lbs title unification bout).

I actually like Crawford and used to be a big fan of his, but Top Rank are matching him up against terrible opposition at welterweight, which has caused me to run out of patience.

Roughly nine months prior to Crawford extending his contract with Top Rank during 2018, the media and myself accurately predicted his current plight (i.e. lack of credible opposition) and it disappoints me that he chose the pay cheque over sporting legacy, even though I appreciate the fact that boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters” rather than “PRIDE fighters”.

Unfortunately for all of us, time doesn’t stand still. He can’t keep dining out on what he accomplished up to 2017. We can't keep giving free passes to a 33-year-old fighter, based on what they achieved during their twenties.

And let’s face it, if we applied your logic, Manny Pacquiao deserves to be rated above Crawford on a pound-for-pound basis, because the Filipino’s resume is better than Bud’s and his most recent victories at 147lbs are also vastly superior.

You clearly haven’t run out of patience yet, but I’m pretty confident that if Bud’s next two opponents are mismatches of a similar nature to last weekend’s Brook bout, then I am sure that even you’ll start losing faith in Crawford.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'll use TBRB..

2014
Ricky Burns: Ranked #3 at 130 (Crawford was #5)
Yuriorkis Gamboa: Ranked #7 at 130
Raymundo Beltran: Ranked #2 at 130 (Vacant Ring Magazine)

2015
Thomas Dulorme: Ranked #9 at 140
Dierry Jean: UNRANKED at 140

2016
Henry Lundy: UNRANKED at 140
Viktor Postol: Ranked #1 at 140 (Vacant Ring Magazine)
John Molina Jr: Ranked at #3 at 140

2017
Felix Diaz: Ranked #9 at 147 (Unranked at 140)
Julius Indongo: Ranked #2 at 140

2018
Jeff Horn: Ranked #4 at 147
Jose Benavidez Jr: UNRANKED at 147

2019
Amir Khan: UNRANKED at 147
Egidijus Kavaliauskas: Ranked #10 at 147

2020
Kell Brook: UNRANKED at 147
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That's 15 World title fights above.

From the 15 fights, 10 opponents where ranked in the top 10 in their weightclass at the time they fought Crawford.
From those 10 opponents, 6 of them where ranked #5 or higher.

• He's a 2-weight Ring/Lineal champion.
• Has a record of 15-0 (12 KOs) in world title fights
• Has a record of 8-0 (5 KOs) against former or current world titlists

[Enlightened-One]

2018
Jeff Horn: Ranked #4 at 147 [Should have been UNRANKED]
Jose Benavidez Jr: UNRANKED at 147

2019
Amir Khan: UNRANKED at 147
Egidijus Kavaliauskas: Ranked #10 at 147

2020
Kell Brook: UNRANKED at 147

And like I said before, I respect Bud's accomplishments up until the end of 2017, but he hasn't achieved anything of note since he made the jump to 147lbs.

And I think we both agree that ESPN, The RING and TBRB's rating of Jeff Horn for the Crawford bout was solely based his undeserved victory over Manny Pacquiao, rather than his in-ring pugilistic talents or accomplishments.

The Aussie was unranked before he faced the Filipino and would have lost that fight by a wide margin, if it wasn't staged in his homeland. And Horn hasn't achieved anything since (other than suffering stoppage losses to Crawford, Zerafa and Tszyu).

I'm sorry, but apart from beating a fringe contender like Kavaliauskas, Terence Crawford hasn't defeated any world-rated fighters at welterweight.

And your list proves that.

[Ruthless-RKO]

And let’s face it, if we applied your logic, Manny Pacquiao deserves to be rated above Crawford on a pound-for-pound basis, because the Filipino’s resume is better than Bud’s and his most recent victories at 147lbs are also vastly superior.

He has the best record for any active boxer today, no doubt.

P4P lists aren't just wins is it though? It's skill, domination and other things.

Even i'm not blind, Thurman has a better resume than Crawford at 147.

[Enlightened-One]

And let’s face it, if we applied your logic, Manny Pacquiao deserves to be rated above Crawford on a pound-for-pound basis, because the Filipino’s resume is better than Bud’s and his most recent victories at 147lbs are also vastly superior.

He has the best record for any active boxer today, no doubt.

P4P lists are just wins is it though? It's skill, domination and other things.

Even i'm not blind, Thurman has a better resume than Crawford at 147.

It seems that we agree on most points.

I believe that Crawford is a brilliant fighter that possesses pound-for-pound talent.

I believe that Crawford's resume up until the end of 2017 is fantastic.

I believe that Crawford's current spell at welterweight has been disappointing.

[Counter-puncher]

[IRONFIST]

This is the only fight (beyond the HW) I would really like to see next year (if I am alive, of course).
What do you think about ? Who wins ? How ?

Spence by late stoppage, too big, too strong etc.

The Brook fight as predicted was an absolute waste of time for Crawford.

[brilo33]

crawford if the fight is made now go ko as well though spence is awarkd and a great fighter too ,id say 60/40 crawford

[gilgamesh]

Crawford would win if they fought.

Since they won't though, Spence will continue to face more noteworthy opposition, and have a better career.

[gilgamesh]

Errol will be fine, but he's going to fight Manny. As much as we want bud/Spence, been my most wanted fight for many years, Spence/Manny generates significantly more money.

Yep. There's so few genuine Superstars in Boxing anymore that there's nobody to really make your name off of.

Crawford or Spence either one need Pacquiao to become household names. Just like Floyd and Pacquiao needed De La Hoya.

Just like De La Hoya needed Chavez and Whitaker.

Etc.

[brilo33]

Errol will be fine, but he's going to fight Manny. As much as we want bud/Spence, been my most wanted fight for many years, Spence/Manny generates significantly more money.

Yep. There's so few genuine Superstars in Boxing anymore that there's nobody to really make your name off of.

Crawford or Spence either one need Pacquiao to become household names. Just like Floyd and Pacquiao needed De La Hoya.

Just like De La Hoya needed Chavez and Whitaker.

Etc.

ricky hatton help floyd and pac man , oscar just needed to play the mexican card dual nationality, miguel cotto in the garden sold more than paulie in new york , lots of fighters dont have fan bases any more

[gilgamesh]

Errol will be fine, but he's going to fight Manny. As much as we want bud/Spence, been my most wanted fight for many years, Spence/Manny generates significantly more money.

Yep. There's so few genuine Superstars in Boxing anymore that there's nobody to really make your name off of.

Crawford or Spence either one need Pacquiao to become household names. Just like Floyd and Pacquiao needed De La Hoya.

Just like De La Hoya needed Chavez and Whitaker.

Etc.

ricky hatton help floyd and pac man , oscar just needed to play the mexican card dual nationality, miguel cotto in the garden sold more than paulie in new york , lots of fighters dont have fan bases any more

I don't think a guy like Malignaggi could ever get a particularly big following. People like knockouts.

Ricky may have helped Floyd and Pac, but he was the B side in both of those fights because they had fought and beat Oscar already.

Oscar was THE GUY that catapulted both of them to that next level of Superstardom.