Recently I watched the 4th bout between 'Chillin' Charley Riley and Glen Flanagan. And...it was a disappointment. I loved seeing Riley's bout with Sandy Saddler and I really liked his swarming/pressure style, but he looked terrible this time around. And no wonder. He was at the tail end of his career and that style doesn't bode well for longevity. He just looked like a spent fighter. This was '53 and it looked to me on his record that he may have peaked between '47-'50. Anyways, it is what it is. Fought in the Eastern Parkway Arena with NY's rounds basis.
Round 1: Riley
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Riley
Round 4: Flanagan
Round 5: Flanagan
Round 6: Flanagan
Round 7: Flanagan (Riley penalized for repeated low blows)
Round 8: Flanagan
Round 9: Flanagan
Round 10: Flanagan
Total: 7-2-1 Flanagan (actual scores: 7-3, 7-3 and 6-3-1 all for Flanagan)
Once Flanagan found the range with a left uppercut that couldn't miss Riley, and then established his jab, there was no turning back. Incidentally, that 7th round penalization is always a bit funny in NY rules. The round is simply taken from one fighter and given to the other. But in the case where the fighter incurring the damage wins the round anyway, nothing is deducted. A bit archaic compared to the 10 point must system, but there you have it. BTW, I would not recommend this fight.
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I love Kennedy McKinney fights and thought I would watch his rematch with Vuyani Bungu. Even though he was still to have his moments in his career, it was bogging down by this time. Here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 Bungu
Round 2: 10-9 Bungu
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Bungu
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Bungu
Round 8: 10-9 Bungu
Round 9: 10-9 McKinney
Round 10: 10-9 Bungu
Round 11: 10-9 McKinney
Round 12: 10-9 McKinney
Total: 117-114 Bungu (actual scores: 115-113 for McKinney and a 117-113, 115-113 for Bungu for a split decision win for the South African)
The fight wasn't a hair-raiser by any means and McKinney just didn't fight with the urgency needed to win this fight. Even in the 12th when he stunned Bungu he really never went after him, being content to jab, so I don't know what his corner was telling him. Meanwhile Bungu kept in his face throughout, punching with authority whenever he could. Bungu deserved the win, despite the split score.
Round 1: 10-9 Bungu
Round 2: 10-9 Bungu
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Bungu
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Bungu
Round 8: 10-9 Bungu
Round 9: 10-9 McKinney
Round 10: 10-9 Bungu
Round 11: 10-9 McKinney
Round 12: 10-9 McKinney
Total: 117-114 Bungu (actual scores: 115-113 for McKinney and a 117-113, 115-113 for Bungu for a split decision win for the South African)
The fight wasn't a hair-raiser by any means and McKinney just didn't fight with the urgency needed to win this fight. Even in the 12th when he stunned Bungu he really never went after him, being content to jab, so I don't know what his corner was telling him. Meanwhile Bungu kept in his face throughout, punching with authority whenever he could. Bungu deserved the win, despite the split score.
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Luis Rodriguez v Skeeter McClure II
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 LR
Round 3: 10-9 LR
Round 4: 10-9 LR
Round 5: 10-9 LR
Round 6: 10-8 LR (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 9-9 Even (Rodriguez wins the round but is penalized a point for a low blow)
Round 8: 10-9 LR
Round 9: 10-9 LR
Round 10: 10-9 LR
Total: 99-90 Rodriguez (actual scores: 97-93, 97-93 and 97-92 all for Rodriguez)
I was not as generous as the judges were to Skeeter. I just didn't think he was able to mount any kind of attack or follow a gameplan. Rodriguez just kept in his face and then slathered the body. Whereas, Skeeter couldn't establish a jab or score with any combos. All he did was swing from the fences when Rodriguez got close. Luis Rodriguez simply outworked him in a sometimes entertaining and messy fight.
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 LR
Round 3: 10-9 LR
Round 4: 10-9 LR
Round 5: 10-9 LR
Round 6: 10-8 LR (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 9-9 Even (Rodriguez wins the round but is penalized a point for a low blow)
Round 8: 10-9 LR
Round 9: 10-9 LR
Round 10: 10-9 LR
Total: 99-90 Rodriguez (actual scores: 97-93, 97-93 and 97-92 all for Rodriguez)
I was not as generous as the judges were to Skeeter. I just didn't think he was able to mount any kind of attack or follow a gameplan. Rodriguez just kept in his face and then slathered the body. Whereas, Skeeter couldn't establish a jab or score with any combos. All he did was swing from the fences when Rodriguez got close. Luis Rodriguez simply outworked him in a sometimes entertaining and messy fight.
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Goyo Vargas v Kevin Kelley
I'm pretty sure I saw this back in the day, but I can't recall. Anyways, here we go with a good fight.
Round 1: 10-9 Kelley
Round 2: 10-9 Kelley
Round 3: 10-9 Vargas
Round 4: 10-9 Kelley
Round 5: 10-9 Kelley
Round 6: 10-9 Kelley
Round 7: 10-9 Vargas
Round 8: 10-9 Kelley
Round 9: 10-8 Vargas (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Vargas
Total: 115-114 Kelley (actual scores: 115-112, 115-112 and 116-111 all for Kelley)
Kelley boxed and countered like a dream the first half of the fight before Vargas began turning the heat up in the second half. It looked like another round and he would have had Kelley. I cannot agree with the judges on their comfort/onesidedness of this fight. It was damn close, as Harold Lederman's unofficial score showed (114-113 for Kelley). BTW, Vargas' corner was comedic in their ineptness. We were well into the age of the endswell at this time when I saw them between rounds trying to hold up bits of shredded ice to reduce the swelling on Vargas' right eye. For shame.
I'm pretty sure I saw this back in the day, but I can't recall. Anyways, here we go with a good fight.
Round 1: 10-9 Kelley
Round 2: 10-9 Kelley
Round 3: 10-9 Vargas
Round 4: 10-9 Kelley
Round 5: 10-9 Kelley
Round 6: 10-9 Kelley
Round 7: 10-9 Vargas
Round 8: 10-9 Kelley
Round 9: 10-8 Vargas (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-10 Even
Round 12: 10-9 Vargas
Total: 115-114 Kelley (actual scores: 115-112, 115-112 and 116-111 all for Kelley)
Kelley boxed and countered like a dream the first half of the fight before Vargas began turning the heat up in the second half. It looked like another round and he would have had Kelley. I cannot agree with the judges on their comfort/onesidedness of this fight. It was damn close, as Harold Lederman's unofficial score showed (114-113 for Kelley). BTW, Vargas' corner was comedic in their ineptness. We were well into the age of the endswell at this time when I saw them between rounds trying to hold up bits of shredded ice to reduce the swelling on Vargas' right eye. For shame.
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Julio Cesar Chavez v Frankie Randall III
This was recommended to me as a 'fun fight'. I knew they were both jaded by this time but I gave it a go.
Round 1: 10-9 Chavez
Round 2: 10-9 Chavez
Round 3: 10-9 Chavez
Round 4: 10-9 Randall
Round 5: 10-9 Chavez
Round 6: 10-9 Chavez
Round 7: 10-9 Chavez
Round 8: 10-9 Randall
Round 9: 10-9 Chavez
Round 10: 10-9 Chavez
Total: 98-92 Chavez (actual scores: 99-91, 98-92 and another 98-92 all for Chavez)
To begin, if you were looking for them to be as fast and sharp as in their youth, you came to the wrong place. But what they offered in pure heart was off the charts. Two warriors at 40 plus years of age and they put on a damn good show. Both these two just never stopped trying to the bitter end. And the 10th was about the best round because they both let it all hang out to that final bell. Again, it wasn't 1994, but I enjoyed it.
This was recommended to me as a 'fun fight'. I knew they were both jaded by this time but I gave it a go.
Round 1: 10-9 Chavez
Round 2: 10-9 Chavez
Round 3: 10-9 Chavez
Round 4: 10-9 Randall
Round 5: 10-9 Chavez
Round 6: 10-9 Chavez
Round 7: 10-9 Chavez
Round 8: 10-9 Randall
Round 9: 10-9 Chavez
Round 10: 10-9 Chavez
Total: 98-92 Chavez (actual scores: 99-91, 98-92 and another 98-92 all for Chavez)
To begin, if you were looking for them to be as fast and sharp as in their youth, you came to the wrong place. But what they offered in pure heart was off the charts. Two warriors at 40 plus years of age and they put on a damn good show. Both these two just never stopped trying to the bitter end. And the 10th was about the best round because they both let it all hang out to that final bell. Again, it wasn't 1994, but I enjoyed it.
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I rewatched the Pernell Whitaker v Dio Hurtado fight and I'm still shaking my head at the politics that went on, the favoritism by the announcers and the mess my card is in. To begin going in, the Whitaker-DeLaHoya fight was probably already inked by this time and Hurtado was a real cherry-picked opponent. Even the biased announcers joked about the 'newly-minted #10 welterweight contender Dio Hurtado'. Newly-minted because he was actually a junior welterweight brought up to fight Whitaker in what they thought would be a simple outing for the champ before the ODLH mega-fight. And indeed, after this bout Hurtado went right back to 140 and fought there for the next 5 years. So there were a lot of accommodations made for Whitaker on this fight. Here we go.
Round 1: 10-8 Hurtado (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 3: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 4: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 5: 9-9 (scored for Hurtado but he loses a point for hitting behind the head)
Round 6: 10-8 Hurtado (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-8 Whitaker (Hurtado docked another point for hitting behind the head)
Round 8: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 9: 10-9 Hurtado (scored it Even, but Whitaker is docked a point for hitting behind the head)
Round 10: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 11: Whitaker stops Hurtado
Total through 10 completed rounds: 95-91 Hurtado (actual scores: 96-91, 94-92 and 93-92 all for Hurtado)
Man, where do I start? There are different versions out there and I watched the one with Dave Bontempo announcing. So first of all the announcers stated after six rounds that they had Whitaker up 56-55. I said, 'What?!' I had Hurtado up by 5 points at that time. Man, listening to them one would think that Whitaker was coasting to victory. I also noted that in the 7th when Hurtado nailed Whitaker one of them said, "Look, he hit Sweet-Pea when Pernell was trying to tap gloves with him." He clearly was not. They had already tapped gloves and the bout resumed but it just seemed to me in my paranoia state that their thumbs were on the scale for Whitaker and citing the most bizarre rubbish. I will also say - again probably seeing conspiracy everywhere - that when Whitaker went down along the ropes in the 5th round that that was a legitimate knockdown that was disallowed. Regardless, Hurtado may have been wild and sloppy, but his hard flurries kept him in this fight along with the fact that the Whitaker camp underestimated their cherry-pick. And one could almost hear a collective sigh from the ODLH camp that their mega-fight was still intact when Whitaker stopped Hurtado in the 11th.
Round 1: 10-8 Hurtado (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 3: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 4: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 5: 9-9 (scored for Hurtado but he loses a point for hitting behind the head)
Round 6: 10-8 Hurtado (scores a knockdown)
Round 7: 10-8 Whitaker (Hurtado docked another point for hitting behind the head)
Round 8: 10-9 Whitaker
Round 9: 10-9 Hurtado (scored it Even, but Whitaker is docked a point for hitting behind the head)
Round 10: 10-9 Hurtado
Round 11: Whitaker stops Hurtado
Total through 10 completed rounds: 95-91 Hurtado (actual scores: 96-91, 94-92 and 93-92 all for Hurtado)
Man, where do I start? There are different versions out there and I watched the one with Dave Bontempo announcing. So first of all the announcers stated after six rounds that they had Whitaker up 56-55. I said, 'What?!' I had Hurtado up by 5 points at that time. Man, listening to them one would think that Whitaker was coasting to victory. I also noted that in the 7th when Hurtado nailed Whitaker one of them said, "Look, he hit Sweet-Pea when Pernell was trying to tap gloves with him." He clearly was not. They had already tapped gloves and the bout resumed but it just seemed to me in my paranoia state that their thumbs were on the scale for Whitaker and citing the most bizarre rubbish. I will also say - again probably seeing conspiracy everywhere - that when Whitaker went down along the ropes in the 5th round that that was a legitimate knockdown that was disallowed. Regardless, Hurtado may have been wild and sloppy, but his hard flurries kept him in this fight along with the fact that the Whitaker camp underestimated their cherry-pick. And one could almost hear a collective sigh from the ODLH camp that their mega-fight was still intact when Whitaker stopped Hurtado in the 11th.
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Mike Tyson vs James Tillis
1: Tillis 10-9
2: Tyson 10-9
3: Tyson 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9 (Tillis down)
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tillis 10-9
7: Tyson 10-9
8: Tillis 10-9
9: Tillis 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
Total score: Tyson 96-94
A very close fight. Actually, it could have been scored for Tillis. Tyson pressed forward, but Tillis was moving better, jabbing well and putting his punches together good too. Tyson scored more damage on Tillis though, while didn't look hurt himself at all. Tyson was landing his best shots majorly from the mid-range and/or during coming in. Tillis was better from the outside and inside there was not much action. Tyson stole some rounds in endings, after Tillis seemed to be better overall. The KD round was clearly Tillis' one. Tillis just made a mistake at the very end of it, swinged with a left hook, missed, got countered and suffered a flash KD. I even gave Tillis 9 there. Tyson stole the 5th and the 10th with good endings as well. A very competetive fight. Tyson looked quite clueless in the second half of it. Well, it was the first fight, when he had more than 5,5 rounds.
1: Tillis 10-9
2: Tyson 10-9
3: Tyson 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9 (Tillis down)
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tillis 10-9
7: Tyson 10-9
8: Tillis 10-9
9: Tillis 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
Total score: Tyson 96-94
A very close fight. Actually, it could have been scored for Tillis. Tyson pressed forward, but Tillis was moving better, jabbing well and putting his punches together good too. Tyson scored more damage on Tillis though, while didn't look hurt himself at all. Tyson was landing his best shots majorly from the mid-range and/or during coming in. Tillis was better from the outside and inside there was not much action. Tyson stole some rounds in endings, after Tillis seemed to be better overall. The KD round was clearly Tillis' one. Tillis just made a mistake at the very end of it, swinged with a left hook, missed, got countered and suffered a flash KD. I even gave Tillis 9 there. Tyson stole the 5th and the 10th with good endings as well. A very competetive fight. Tyson looked quite clueless in the second half of it. Well, it was the first fight, when he had more than 5,5 rounds.
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Watched a sleeper of a fight that I saw live years ago. Duane Thomas defending his junior middleweight title against Lupe Aquino. Here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 Aquino
Round 2: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Aquino
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Thomas
Round 6: 10-9 Thomas
Round 7: 10-9 Thomas
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Thomas
Round 10: 10-9 Aquino
Round 11: 10-9 Aquino
Round 12: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
Total: 116-112 Aquino (actual scores: 116-111, 117-110 and 114-113 all for Aquino)
Tough fight which Thomas looked to be re-taking through the middle rounds until Aquino got his second wind. After the first round Ryan and Clancy stated that Emanuel Steward told Thomas to get close and work the body, which was really good advice. But he couldn't keep Aquino there. And when Aquino had the distance for those straight punches, he let them fly. Good fight, which started to bog down in the 12th with both tired until Lupe let them rip one more time.
Round 1: 10-9 Aquino
Round 2: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Aquino
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Thomas
Round 6: 10-9 Thomas
Round 7: 10-9 Thomas
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Thomas
Round 10: 10-9 Aquino
Round 11: 10-9 Aquino
Round 12: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
Total: 116-112 Aquino (actual scores: 116-111, 117-110 and 114-113 all for Aquino)
Tough fight which Thomas looked to be re-taking through the middle rounds until Aquino got his second wind. After the first round Ryan and Clancy stated that Emanuel Steward told Thomas to get close and work the body, which was really good advice. But he couldn't keep Aquino there. And when Aquino had the distance for those straight punches, he let them fly. Good fight, which started to bog down in the 12th with both tired until Lupe let them rip one more time.
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Mike Tyson vs Bonecrusher Smith
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Smith deducted a point for holding)
3: Tyson 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tyson 10-9
7: Smith 10-9
8: Tyson 10-8 (Smith deducted a point for holding)
9: Tyson 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Smith 10-9
Total score: Tyson 118-108
An awful fight with a lot of holding. Smith only tried to catch Tyson, while Tyson was coming in, and then hold him. But, actually, Tyson also was allowing this stuff to happen, as he simply tried nothing inside and didn't attempt to go for a body. Tyson was headhunting all night long. It was hard to give some rounds to Smith, but he stole endings of the 7th, where he landed several left hooks, and the 12th, where he finally caught Tyson on the way in and rocked him pretty hard, first time Tyson was rocked like that in his career.
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Smith deducted a point for holding)
3: Tyson 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tyson 10-9
7: Smith 10-9
8: Tyson 10-8 (Smith deducted a point for holding)
9: Tyson 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Smith 10-9
Total score: Tyson 118-108
An awful fight with a lot of holding. Smith only tried to catch Tyson, while Tyson was coming in, and then hold him. But, actually, Tyson also was allowing this stuff to happen, as he simply tried nothing inside and didn't attempt to go for a body. Tyson was headhunting all night long. It was hard to give some rounds to Smith, but he stole endings of the 7th, where he landed several left hooks, and the 12th, where he finally caught Tyson on the way in and rocked him pretty hard, first time Tyson was rocked like that in his career.
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Doc, have you scored Tyson-Douglas?DrDuke wrote: ↑04 Dec 2020, 14:38 Mike Tyson vs Bonecrusher Smith
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Smith deducted a point for holding)
3: Tyson 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tyson 10-9
7: Smith 10-9
8: Tyson 10-8 (Smith deducted a point for holding)
9: Tyson 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Smith 10-9
Total score: Tyson 118-108
An awful fight with a lot of holding. Smith only tried to catch Tyson, while Tyson was coming in, and then hold him. But, actually, Tyson also was allowing this stuff to happen, as he simply tried nothing inside and didn't attempt to go for a body. Tyson was headhunting all night long. It was hard to give some rounds to Smith, but he stole endings of the 7th, where he landed several left hooks, and the 12th, where he finally caught Tyson on the way in and rocked him pretty hard, first time Tyson was rocked like that in his career.
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Yeah. I gave Tyson only a KD round there.
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I was a little more generous, also giving Tyson the 6th and a share of the 3rd, but could never see what fight the two Asian judges were watching.
Round 1: 10-9 Douglas
Round 2: 10-9 Douglas
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Douglas
Round 5: 10-9 Douglas
Round 6: 10-9 Tyson
Round 7: 10-9 Douglas
Round 8: 10-8 Tyson (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-9 Douglas
Round 10: KO for Douglas
Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-84 Douglas
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Right. Giving to Tyson a couple of rounds instead of a one also sounds OK, but it definitely wasn't an even or Tyson's fight.scartissue wrote: ↑05 Dec 2020, 10:40 I was a little more generous, also giving Tyson the 6th and a share of the 3rd, but could never see what fight the two Asian judges were watching.
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Mike Tyson vs Pinklon Thomas
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-9
3: Thomas 10-9
4: Thomas 10-9
5: Thomas 10-9
6: Tyson KO
Prior to the stoppage: Thomas 48-47
Tyson started aggressive and hurt Thomas in the 1st. It's even surprising, that Thomas was able to come back in the 3rd. He began to move more, thorow a jab more effectively, tie Tyson up. But in the 6th Tyson laned his tradmark right to the body - right uppercut, Thomas was hurt, Tyson went for the kill and got it.
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-9
3: Thomas 10-9
4: Thomas 10-9
5: Thomas 10-9
6: Tyson KO
Prior to the stoppage: Thomas 48-47
Tyson started aggressive and hurt Thomas in the 1st. It's even surprising, that Thomas was able to come back in the 3rd. He began to move more, thorow a jab more effectively, tie Tyson up. But in the 6th Tyson laned his tradmark right to the body - right uppercut, Thomas was hurt, Tyson went for the kill and got it.
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After watching Lupe Aquino against Duane Thomas recently, I wanted to see more action fights so I tuned in to two more of his fights with mixed results.
Lupe Aquino v Davey Moore
Round 1: 10-8 Aquino (no knockdown but he really battered Davey)
Round 2: 10-9 Moore
Round 3: 10-9 Moore (Aquino started battering Davey, but went into a lull and Davey came back)
Round 4: 10-9 Moore
Round 5: Aquino stops Moore - Doctor stops it mid-round due to severe swelling of right eye of Moore)
Total after 4 completed rounds: 38-37 Moore
Both fighters were landing very sharp blows and was a good fight which I would have loved to have gone the distance. But even though I had Davey ahead, one could see the telling effect of Aquino's blows having on Davey, even despite the swelling. Good fight.
Lupe Aquino v Milton McCrory
Hard to believe this is the same Lupe Aquino only 3 fights after the Moore fight. Both fighters were flat, but this fight will sharpen your scoring skills with what goes on during the contest.
Round 1: 10-9 Aquino
Round 2: 9-9 Even (Aquino decks McCrory, then loses a point for a low blow. I felt McCrory was winning the round and the only thing Aquino did that round was deck Milt, nothing more. So i would have had it 10-9 only but then Lupe lost the point for the low blow for a 9-9 - judgement call)
Round 3: 10-9 McCrory
Round 4: 10-9 McCrory
Round 5: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 McCrory
Round 7: 10-9 McCrory
Round 8: 10-8 Aquino (ref gives McCrory a standing 8 count)
Round 9: 10-9 Aquino
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Total: 95-93 Aquino (actual scores: 95-92 and 94-93 for Aquino with a 94-94 Even for a majority win for Aquino)
Both fighters looked jaded in this bout. I was never a fan of McCrory but he did well when he could keep Aquino on the end of his long punches, but he always seemed to be going inside. The other 2 rounds that Aquino got a 10-8 score I thought McCrory was winning the round but I gave a 2 point round in those rounds because Aquino had him hurt bad, unlike the 2nd round. Again, not their best work (amazing because they were only in their mid-20s) and they looked jaded.
Lupe Aquino v Davey Moore
Round 1: 10-8 Aquino (no knockdown but he really battered Davey)
Round 2: 10-9 Moore
Round 3: 10-9 Moore (Aquino started battering Davey, but went into a lull and Davey came back)
Round 4: 10-9 Moore
Round 5: Aquino stops Moore - Doctor stops it mid-round due to severe swelling of right eye of Moore)
Total after 4 completed rounds: 38-37 Moore
Both fighters were landing very sharp blows and was a good fight which I would have loved to have gone the distance. But even though I had Davey ahead, one could see the telling effect of Aquino's blows having on Davey, even despite the swelling. Good fight.
Lupe Aquino v Milton McCrory
Hard to believe this is the same Lupe Aquino only 3 fights after the Moore fight. Both fighters were flat, but this fight will sharpen your scoring skills with what goes on during the contest.
Round 1: 10-9 Aquino
Round 2: 9-9 Even (Aquino decks McCrory, then loses a point for a low blow. I felt McCrory was winning the round and the only thing Aquino did that round was deck Milt, nothing more. So i would have had it 10-9 only but then Lupe lost the point for the low blow for a 9-9 - judgement call)
Round 3: 10-9 McCrory
Round 4: 10-9 McCrory
Round 5: 10-8 Aquino (scores a knockdown)
Round 6: 10-9 McCrory
Round 7: 10-9 McCrory
Round 8: 10-8 Aquino (ref gives McCrory a standing 8 count)
Round 9: 10-9 Aquino
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Total: 95-93 Aquino (actual scores: 95-92 and 94-93 for Aquino with a 94-94 Even for a majority win for Aquino)
Both fighters looked jaded in this bout. I was never a fan of McCrory but he did well when he could keep Aquino on the end of his long punches, but he always seemed to be going inside. The other 2 rounds that Aquino got a 10-8 score I thought McCrory was winning the round but I gave a 2 point round in those rounds because Aquino had him hurt bad, unlike the 2nd round. Again, not their best work (amazing because they were only in their mid-20s) and they looked jaded.
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Mike Tyson vs Tony Tucker
1: Tucker 10-9
2: Tucker 10-9
3: Tucker 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tyson 10-9
7: Tyson 10-9
8: Tyson 10-9
9: Tyson 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Tyson 10-9
Total score: Tyson 117-111
Some give Tucker a lot of credit for not surviving, but fighting, and I don't get it much. Yes, he had an excellent start, where he moved great and countered perfectly with different shots, uppercuts from both hands. Yes, he rocked Tyson with the counter uppercut in the 1st. Yet since the 4th he kinda switched to the survival. He majorly was moving, tying up, showboating, but not scoring really since then. He looked frustrated. Tyson looked frustrated as well, because he wasn't able to develop his success after tagging Tucker from time to time. A kinda overrated fight. A hardest bout for Tyson since Tillis. Maybe that's why it's overrated. Tucker performed well early and survived well later. Tillis was more impressive against young Tyson, but Tyson was greener then, yes.
1: Tucker 10-9
2: Tucker 10-9
3: Tucker 10-9
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Tyson 10-9
7: Tyson 10-9
8: Tyson 10-9
9: Tyson 10-9
10: Tyson 10-9
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Tyson 10-9
Total score: Tyson 117-111
Some give Tucker a lot of credit for not surviving, but fighting, and I don't get it much. Yes, he had an excellent start, where he moved great and countered perfectly with different shots, uppercuts from both hands. Yes, he rocked Tyson with the counter uppercut in the 1st. Yet since the 4th he kinda switched to the survival. He majorly was moving, tying up, showboating, but not scoring really since then. He looked frustrated. Tyson looked frustrated as well, because he wasn't able to develop his success after tagging Tucker from time to time. A kinda overrated fight. A hardest bout for Tyson since Tillis. Maybe that's why it's overrated. Tucker performed well early and survived well later. Tillis was more impressive against young Tyson, but Tyson was greener then, yes.
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Ambling Alp II
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Re: Post Your Scorecards
Tucker hurt his hand early in the fight and was not able to go all out for much of the fight. It was a good effort on his part.
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There were the rumors like that, as well as the rumors, that he had suffered the injury even earlier, in a training camp. You'll never know for sure such things. He came in the ring, didn't show a lot of effort and got outboxed pretty comfortably.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 20:55 Tucker hurt his hand early in the fight and was not able to go all out for much of the fight. It was a good effort on his part.
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Ambling Alp II
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One way to look at it. Or he did well in the early rounds, hurt his hand, didn't quit, and gave Tyson more trouble than almost all of his previous opponents.
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After the 3rd Tyson barely was in trouble.Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑07 Dec 2020, 15:01 One way to look at it. Or he did well in the early rounds, hurt his hand, didn't quit, and gave Tyson more trouble than almost all of his previous opponents.
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scartissue
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Yoko Gushiken v Pedro Flores II
This is the rematch between Gushiken and Mexico's Pedro Flores. I was following Gushiken fairly close back in the day and I remember reading about their first fight and how Flores rattled him fairly late in their first 15 rounder. Thus the rematch, and it was a totally enjoyable fight.
Round 1: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 2: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 3: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 4: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Flores
Round 7: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 8: 10-8 Flores (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-8 Flores (no knockdown, but Flores batters Yoko - today this fight would have been stopped here)
Round 10: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 11: 10-9 Flores
Round 12: Flores drops and stops Gushiken
Total through 11 rounds: 104-104 Even (actual scores: 107-106 for Gushiken, 106-103 and 107-104 for Flores)
To begin, Gushiken was a very strong jr. fly, but he had no defense for Flores' lead right. One could see this even in the first round when he got rattled late in the round. I noted that today the fight would have been stopped in the 9th round, so it was amazing how I felt Gushiken won the 10th. But it was apparent - to me anyway - that Flores punched himself out in the 9th and was grabbing a breather. In the 12th, after the first knockdown I was screaming aloud to stop the fight. A bit of an unnecessary battering there. I really liked Yoko back then and it is always sorry to see a great champ beat. But it was still a good fight and one worth viewing.
This is the rematch between Gushiken and Mexico's Pedro Flores. I was following Gushiken fairly close back in the day and I remember reading about their first fight and how Flores rattled him fairly late in their first 15 rounder. Thus the rematch, and it was a totally enjoyable fight.
Round 1: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 2: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 3: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 4: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Flores
Round 7: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 8: 10-8 Flores (scores a knockdown)
Round 9: 10-8 Flores (no knockdown, but Flores batters Yoko - today this fight would have been stopped here)
Round 10: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 11: 10-9 Flores
Round 12: Flores drops and stops Gushiken
Total through 11 rounds: 104-104 Even (actual scores: 107-106 for Gushiken, 106-103 and 107-104 for Flores)
To begin, Gushiken was a very strong jr. fly, but he had no defense for Flores' lead right. One could see this even in the first round when he got rattled late in the round. I noted that today the fight would have been stopped in the 9th round, so it was amazing how I felt Gushiken won the 10th. But it was apparent - to me anyway - that Flores punched himself out in the 9th and was grabbing a breather. In the 12th, after the first knockdown I was screaming aloud to stop the fight. A bit of an unnecessary battering there. I really liked Yoko back then and it is always sorry to see a great champ beat. But it was still a good fight and one worth viewing.
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scartissue
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Jorge Castro v Roberto Duran I
First of all, we are looking at 10 rounds of infighting, so for me it came down to weighing who was landing cleaner and/or harder and that's when it becomes anyone's fight. I've never been a fan of Castro's, so it pained me to lean towards him. He brought strength and harder punching to the table, whereas Duran brought his beautiful short hooks and positioning to the fore. But his age and weight prevented him from doing what he did so magically in his youth. Anyways, here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 Castro
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Duran
Round 4: 10-9 Castro
Round 5: 10-9 Duran
Round 6: 10-9 Castro
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Castro
Round 9: 10-9 Castro
Round 10: 10-9 Castro
Total: 98-94 Castro (actual scores: 100-94, 99-96 and 99-98 all for Castro)
Again, this was 10 rounds of infighting, so it really depends on what is impressing you. I would venture to say most of us would come up with different scores on this as every round was tight.
First of all, we are looking at 10 rounds of infighting, so for me it came down to weighing who was landing cleaner and/or harder and that's when it becomes anyone's fight. I've never been a fan of Castro's, so it pained me to lean towards him. He brought strength and harder punching to the table, whereas Duran brought his beautiful short hooks and positioning to the fore. But his age and weight prevented him from doing what he did so magically in his youth. Anyways, here we go.
Round 1: 10-9 Castro
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Duran
Round 4: 10-9 Castro
Round 5: 10-9 Duran
Round 6: 10-9 Castro
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Castro
Round 9: 10-9 Castro
Round 10: 10-9 Castro
Total: 98-94 Castro (actual scores: 100-94, 99-96 and 99-98 all for Castro)
Again, this was 10 rounds of infighting, so it really depends on what is impressing you. I would venture to say most of us would come up with different scores on this as every round was tight.
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scartissue
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I recenly watched the second Gushiken-Flores fight, which I thoroughly enjoyed and have proceeded in watching a bit more Gushiken. Always followed his career in the magazines, so I love watching them on youtube. Anyways, I scored Gushiken-Guzman and the Lopez fight today. Here we go.
Juan Guzman v Yoko Gushiken (5 point must)
Round 1: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 2: 5-2 Gushiken (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 3: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 4: 5-3 Gushiken (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 6: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 7: Gushiken KOs Guzman
Total through 6 completed rounds: 30-21 Gushiken (actual scores: 29-24, 29-20 and 29-25 all for Gushiken)
Regarding the fight, Guzman was brave but not half as brave as his corner for allowing such a battering. Regarding the scores, I would say the only controversy would be the 3rd round. I can see possibly the judges may have given the 3rd to Guzman. However, I didn't see it quite there. I felt the only thing Guzman really did was buckle Gushiken's knees with a great shot that round. But leading up to it, I already felt in my mind that Gushiken was looking at a 2 point round due to the battering he was handing out to Guzman that round. And after the knee-buckler, I felt Gushiken picked up where he left off. But, hey, this is why we're on this thread. To discuss.
Yoko Gushiken v Alfonso Lopez (10 point must)
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Lopez
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: Gushiken KOs Lopez
Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-56 Lopez (actual scores: 59-58 for Gushiken and 2 scores of 59-59.)
I always felt Alfonso Lopez was never the same after the first Guty Espada KO. The chin was just shaky after that. And fighting a powerhouse like Gushiken didn't bode well. However, he fought a brilliant fight until the inevitable happened. I had him ahead on his speedy, sharp counters. The knockout blow was aided by another full-blooded shot when Lopez was down, with no warning or time to recover or any of that. Moreover, the WBA allowed all 3 scoring officials from Japan. Man, Lopez never had a chance.
Juan Guzman v Yoko Gushiken (5 point must)
Round 1: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 2: 5-2 Gushiken (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 3: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 4: 5-3 Gushiken (scores a knockdown)
Round 5: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 6: 5-4 Gushiken
Round 7: Gushiken KOs Guzman
Total through 6 completed rounds: 30-21 Gushiken (actual scores: 29-24, 29-20 and 29-25 all for Gushiken)
Regarding the fight, Guzman was brave but not half as brave as his corner for allowing such a battering. Regarding the scores, I would say the only controversy would be the 3rd round. I can see possibly the judges may have given the 3rd to Guzman. However, I didn't see it quite there. I felt the only thing Guzman really did was buckle Gushiken's knees with a great shot that round. But leading up to it, I already felt in my mind that Gushiken was looking at a 2 point round due to the battering he was handing out to Guzman that round. And after the knee-buckler, I felt Gushiken picked up where he left off. But, hey, this is why we're on this thread. To discuss.
Yoko Gushiken v Alfonso Lopez (10 point must)
Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Lopez
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Gushiken
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: Gushiken KOs Lopez
Total through 6 completed rounds: 59-56 Lopez (actual scores: 59-58 for Gushiken and 2 scores of 59-59.)
I always felt Alfonso Lopez was never the same after the first Guty Espada KO. The chin was just shaky after that. And fighting a powerhouse like Gushiken didn't bode well. However, he fought a brilliant fight until the inevitable happened. I had him ahead on his speedy, sharp counters. The knockout blow was aided by another full-blooded shot when Lopez was down, with no warning or time to recover or any of that. Moreover, the WBA allowed all 3 scoring officials from Japan. Man, Lopez never had a chance.
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Tyson-Ruddock dilogy
#1
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
3: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Ruddock 10-9
7: Tyson TKO
Prior to the stoppage: Tyson 59-53
Tyson was clearly continuing to show signs of decline, which had started to show up after his split with Rooney. He was handhunting, not moving his head well, not throwing combos. Ruddock was even more one-dimensional, still he was tagging Tyson from time to time. There was a lot of holding. In the 6th Tyson was even wobbled, that finally made possible to give a round to Ruddock. The stoppage was premature fo sure.
#2
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
3: Ruddock 10-9
4: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Ruddock 10-9
7: Ruddock 10-9
8: 9-9 (Ruddock deducted a point)
9: 9-9 (Tyson deducted a point)
10: Ruddock 10-8 (Tyson deducted a point)
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Tyson 10-9
Total score: Tyson 113-110
Ruddock seemed ready to go in the 1st and was down in the 2nd, yet somehow he had enough toughness to fight back later. Still it wasn't some sort of super exciting slugfest, like some recall. There were good exchanges, but the fight was dirty as sh!t and had tons of holding. Both fighters were just trying to hurt each other with single punches. I'm not sold on this rivalry. If Tyson met Holyfield next, he would have been battered and stopped in a more brutal way, that it would actually happen later, when Holyfield would be a bit declined.
#1
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
3: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
4: Tyson 10-9
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Ruddock 10-9
7: Tyson TKO
Prior to the stoppage: Tyson 59-53
Tyson was clearly continuing to show signs of decline, which had started to show up after his split with Rooney. He was handhunting, not moving his head well, not throwing combos. Ruddock was even more one-dimensional, still he was tagging Tyson from time to time. There was a lot of holding. In the 6th Tyson was even wobbled, that finally made possible to give a round to Ruddock. The stoppage was premature fo sure.
#2
1: Tyson 10-9
2: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
3: Ruddock 10-9
4: Tyson 10-8 (Ruddock down)
5: Tyson 10-9
6: Ruddock 10-9
7: Ruddock 10-9
8: 9-9 (Ruddock deducted a point)
9: 9-9 (Tyson deducted a point)
10: Ruddock 10-8 (Tyson deducted a point)
11: Tyson 10-9
12: Tyson 10-9
Total score: Tyson 113-110
Ruddock seemed ready to go in the 1st and was down in the 2nd, yet somehow he had enough toughness to fight back later. Still it wasn't some sort of super exciting slugfest, like some recall. There were good exchanges, but the fight was dirty as sh!t and had tons of holding. Both fighters were just trying to hurt each other with single punches. I'm not sold on this rivalry. If Tyson met Holyfield next, he would have been battered and stopped in a more brutal way, that it would actually happen later, when Holyfield would be a bit declined.
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scartissue
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Myung Woo Yuh vs Rodolfo Blanco
Man, what a good fight. Yuh establishes early that he has more pop in his shots but he has to run a heavy gauntlet from Blanco's sharp jab and sizzling combos.
Round 1: 10-9 Blanco
Round 2: 10-9 Blanco
Round 3: 10-9 Yuh
Round 4: 10-9 Yuh
Round 5: 10-9 Yuh
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Yuh
Round 8: Yuh KOs Blanco
Total: 68-66 Yuh (actual scores: 68-65, 67-66 and 70-64 all for Yuh)
There is such a fine line between each round I can see some varying scores, but I can't see the score of the judge that gave everything to Yuh. Blanco was there to win the title not be a passenger and he never stopped firing those salvos. A really good fight.
Man, what a good fight. Yuh establishes early that he has more pop in his shots but he has to run a heavy gauntlet from Blanco's sharp jab and sizzling combos.
Round 1: 10-9 Blanco
Round 2: 10-9 Blanco
Round 3: 10-9 Yuh
Round 4: 10-9 Yuh
Round 5: 10-9 Yuh
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Yuh
Round 8: Yuh KOs Blanco
Total: 68-66 Yuh (actual scores: 68-65, 67-66 and 70-64 all for Yuh)
There is such a fine line between each round I can see some varying scores, but I can't see the score of the judge that gave everything to Yuh. Blanco was there to win the title not be a passenger and he never stopped firing those salvos. A really good fight.