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[aicheligad]

Finally found the time for this

I am basing my rankings on who the guys have beaten. On my score cards. Newer guys will get to my list when they get the actual wins to prove their place. Learned my lesson from Price

1. Tyson Fury

Has the best wins on hes resume for recent years. Wlad was great win. Wilder is pretty good win too. Twice on my books.

2. Anthony Jsohua.

Has good list of wins also. The loss to Ruiz and tentative win from rematch pushes him behind Fury for me.

3. Andy Ruiz

Has the best single win from recent years. I hope he gets good fights soon. I had him winning the Parker fight.

4. Povetkin.

Has only losses against the best guys out there. Great win for him in Whyte who I ranked really highly before hes loss to Povetkin.

5. Usyk

Dominated cruiser. Gassiev and Briedis would be good HW fighters too. Hunter has done pretty well too. Draw with Povetkin is good result. Usyk beating Chisora proved that he can hang with the big guys in HW. Not many will press you like Chisora does. Remains to be seen how well he actually does. I am looking forward to it.

6. Wilder.

Lacks good wins. Two losses to Fury and the second one was decisive. Not coping well with the loss. Lets see if he can bounce back.

7. Whyte

Good wins in recent years. Getting caught against good boxer in Povetkin is no disaster. He will get back on the track.

8. Parker

Has the skills to get higher on this list. Got bit unlucky against Whyte. Lost because of the head clash. Well loss is a loss so I rank hime behind Whyte for now. Fa is not going to affect this really. If he wins that is. And he should.

9. Pulev

I used to rank him much higher. Way too inactive for better ranking now. AJ fight will tell us more. If he makes it competitive I will rank him higher. I think he will.

10. Hunter

Hes solid fighter. Got my respect from the Povetkin fight. I hope to see him fight more good names in the near future.

11. Chisora

Gate keeper for the top 10. Always tough opponent. 1 and 1 against Whyte on my card. Separates the trash from diamonds. Good showing against Usyk. clear loss but made it hard for Usyk.

12. Ortiz.

I have never rated Ortiz as high as some others. Wilder needed lot of help to win the first fight. Jennings was at the time a solid win. Not much more for the old man.

13. Helenius

Kownacki was ranked pretty high on many lists before running head first at Helenius. Teper was pretty good win. Has shown against guys like Whyte and Chisora that he can hang with the top 10 guys. Was sick against Washington and really short preparation against Whyte. Much better than given credit for.

14. Kabayel.

Not much to say about him. Showed hes level against Chisora. Well see more when he fights Fury.

15. Joyce

Getting really thin at this point. Jennings, Ustinov and Stiverne are not that good wins but at least there is bit of volume of guys that are almost relevant.

Well that de escaleted quickly. Top 10 is actually kind of crowded. after that there is almost nothing

Your list looks very reasonable, though I personally wouldn't rank Ruiz so highly. After what he showed in Joshua II fight I think he just lacks motivation at this point, but of course his resume is decent - I watched Parker-Ruiz twice, had it 115-113 Parker and 114-114 so I get why people rank him so high. My prediction is that Wilder and Ruiz will never be back to their peak.

[aicheligad]

The results after 14 votes:

1. Tyson Fury - 548 points (1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1)
2. Anthony Joshua - 509 points (2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2)
3. Alexander Povetkin - 424 points (3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 4, 5, 6, 4, 4, 4, 4, 1, 4)
4. Deontay Wilder - 407 points (4, 3, 3, 5, 6, 3, 4, 8, 5, 3, 3, 3, 5, 6)
5. Oleksandr Usyk - 363 points (9, 9, 4, 3, 7, 5, 3, 3, 3, 9, 5, 7, 7, 5)
6. Andy Ruiz Jr - 330 points (8, 5, 13, 8, 5, 6, 9, 4, 7, 5, 7, 6, 6, 3)
7. Dillian Whyte - 327 points (6, 6, 9, 7, 4, 8, 6, 11, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 7)
8. Michael Hunter - 265 points (5, 7, 6, 6, 8, 10, 12, 12, 8, 10, 11, 8, 8, 10)
9. Joseph Parker - 252 points (7, 8, 10, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 9, 8, 8, 9, 13, 8)
10. Kubrat Pulev - 233 points (10, 11, 8, 12, 10, 12, 7, 9, 10, 7, 9, 10, 14, 9)
11. Luis Ortiz - 221 points (12, 10, 7, 11, 12, 7, 8, 13, 11, 11, 10, 11, 9, 12)
12. Dereck Chisora - 141 points (13, 13, 11, 13, 11, 15, -, -, 15, 12, 15, 15, 15, 11)
13. Joe Joyce - 110 points (-, -, -, 14, 13, 14, 13, 7, 14, 15, -, 14, -, 15)
14. Óscar Rivas - 102 points (14, -, 12, 10, 14, 11, -, -, 13, -, 13, 12, -, -)
15. Agit Kabayel - 72 points (11, 12, 15, -, -, -, -, -, 12, -, 14, -, -, 14)
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16. Robert Helenius - 69 points (15, 15, -, -, 15, -, -, -, -, 14, -, -, 10, 13)
17. Tony Yoka - 68 points (-, -, -, 15, -, -, 15, 15, -, -, 12, 13, 12, -)
18. Filip Hrgović - 49 points (-, -, 14, -, -, -, 14, 5, -, -, -, -, -, -)
19. Charles Martin - 37 points (-, 14, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 13, -, -, 11, -)
20. Daniel Dubois - 26 points (-, -, -, -, -, 13, 11, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
21. Arslanbek Makhmudov - 11 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 14, -, -, -, -, -, -)

[joshj909]

It will be interesting to see how the Dubois/Joyce and Yoka/Hammer fights change this ranking.

Looks like you're not far off the number of votes we started with last time. Will you be creating a new thread for after each significant fight again or will you be using this as the rankings thread going forward?

[aicheligad]

It will be interesting to see how the Dubois/Joyce and Yoka/Hammer fights change this ranking.

Looks like you're not far off the number of votes we started with last time. Will you be creating a new thread for after each significant fight again or will you be using this as the rankings thread going forward?

It was 20 or so last time, and yeah we'll vote after every meaningful fight using the same method as before There is still some time, I hope that more people will join and make their vote.

[dr_devious]

1. Fury
2 Joshua
3 Wilder
4 Usyk
5 Povetkin
6 Whyte
7 Parker
8 Ortiz
9 Ruiz
10 Pulev
11 Hunter
12 Rivas
13 Kobayel
14 Dubois
15 Chisora

[aicheligad]

So we have 15 votes now:

1. Tyson Fury - 588 points (1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1)
2. Anthony Joshua - 545 points (2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2)
3. Alexander Povetkin - 451 points (3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 4, 5, 6, 4, 4, 4, 4, 1, 4, 5)
4. Deontay Wilder - 440 points (4, 3, 3, 5, 6, 3, 4, 8, 5, 3, 3, 3, 5, 6, 3)
5. Oleksandr Usyk - 403 points (9, 9, 4, 3, 7, 5, 3, 3, 3, 9, 5, 7, 7, 5, 4)
6. Dillian Whyte - 351 points (6, 6, 9, 7, 4, 8, 6, 11, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 7, 6)
7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 348 points (8, 5, 13, 8, 5, 6, 9, 4, 7, 5, 7, 6, 6, 3, 9)
8. Michael Hunter - 279 points (5, 7, 6, 6, 8, 10, 12, 12, 8, 10, 11, 8, 8, 10, 11)
9. Joseph Parker - 274 points (7, 8, 10, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 9, 8, 8, 9, 13, 8, 7)
10. Kubrat Pulev - 249 points (10, 11, 8, 12, 10, 12, 7, 9, 10, 7, 9, 10, 14, 9, 10)
11. Luis Ortiz - 241 points (12, 10, 7, 11, 12, 7, 8, 13, 11, 11, 10, 11, 9, 12, 8)
12. Dereck Chisora - 151 points (13, 13, 11, 13, 11, 15, -, -, 15, 12, 15, 15, 15, 11, 15)
13. Óscar Rivas - 115 points (14, -, 12, 10, 14, 11, -, -, 13, -, 13, 12, -, -, 12)
14. Joe Joyce - 110 points (-, -, -, 14, 13, 14, 13, 7, 14, 15, -, 14, -, 15, -)
15. Agit Kabayel - 84 points (11, 12, 15, -, -, -, -, -, 12, -, 14, -, -, 14, 13)
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16. Robert Helenius - 69 points (15, 15, -, -, 15, -, -, -, -, 14, -, -, 10, 13, -)
17. Tony Yoka - 68 points (-, -, -, 15, -, -, 15, 15, -, -, 12, 13, 12, -, -)
18. Filip Hrgović - 49 points (-, -, 14, -, -, -, 14, 5, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
19. Charles Martin - 37 points (-, 14, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 13, -, -, 11, -, -)
19. Daniel Dubois - 37 points (-, -, -, -, -, 13, 11, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 14)
21. Arslanbek Makhmudov - 11 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 14, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

[pico11]

1. Fury
2 Joshua
3 Usyk
4 Povetkin
5 Wilder
6 Whyte
7 Parker
8 Ruiz
9 Hunter
10 Hrgovic
11 Pulev
12 Ortiz
13 Chisora
14 Joyce
15 Dubois

[aicheligad]

16 votes:

1. Tyson Fury - 628 points (1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1)
2. Anthony Joshua - 581 points (2, 2, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 2, 2, 2)
3. Alexander Povetkin - 481 points (3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 4, 5, 6, 4, 4, 4, 4, 1, 4, 5, 4)
4. Deontay Wilder - 467 points (4, 3, 3, 5, 6, 3, 4, 8, 5, 3, 3, 3, 5, 6, 3, 5)
5. Oleksandr Usyk - 436 points (9, 9, 4, 3, 7, 5, 3, 3, 3, 9, 5, 7, 7, 5, 4, 3)
6. Dillian Whyte - 375 points (6, 6, 9, 7, 4, 8, 6, 11, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 7, 6, 6)
7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 368 points (8, 5, 13, 8, 5, 6, 9, 4, 7, 5, 7, 6, 6, 3, 9, 8)
8. Michael Hunter - 297 points (5, 7, 6, 6, 8, 10, 12, 12, 8, 10, 11, 8, 8, 10, 11, 9)
9. Joseph Parker - 296 points (7, 8, 10, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 9, 8, 8, 9, 13, 8, 7, 7)
10. Kubrat Pulev - 263 points (10, 11, 8, 12, 10, 12, 7, 9, 10, 7, 9, 10, 14, 9, 10, 11)
11. Luis Ortiz - 254 points (12, 10, 7, 11, 12, 7, 8, 13, 11, 11, 10, 11, 9, 12, 8, 12)
12. Dereck Chisora - 163 points (13, 13, 11, 13, 11, 15, -, -, 15, 12, 15, 15, 15, 11, 15, 13)
13. Joe Joyce - 121 points (-, -, -, 14, 13, 14, 13, 7, 14, 15, -, 14, -, 15, -, 14)
14. Óscar Rivas - 115 points (14, -, 12, 10, 14, 11, -, -, 13, -, 13, 12, -, -, 12, -)
15. Agit Kabayel - 84 points (11, 12, 15, -, -, -, -, -, 12, -, 14, -, -, 14, 13, -)
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16. Robert Helenius - 69 points (15, 15, -, -, 15, -, -, -, -, 14, -, -, 10, 13, -, -)
17. Tony Yoka - 68 points (-, -, -, 15, -, -, 15, 15, -, -, 12, 13, 12, -, -, -)
18. Filip Hrgović - 65 points (-, -, 14, -, -, -, 14, 5, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 10)
19. Daniel Dubois - 47 points (-, -, -, -, -, 13, 11, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 14, 15)
20. Charles Martin - 37 points (-, 14, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, 13, -, -, 11, -, -, -)
21. Arslanbek Makhmudov - 11 points (-, -, -, -, -, -, -, 14, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

[gregregegg]

16 votes:

With yoka vs hammer in about 15 hours, is that when initial voting will end? and then people will vote on changes after that and the DDD/joyce fight?

[aicheligad]

16 votes:

With yoka vs hammer in about 15 hours, is that when initial voting will end? and then people will vote on changes after that and the DDD/joyce fight?

Exactly, just a few hours remain.

[aicheligad]

I will already post the results, but until the start of Yoka vs Hammer fight, the voting is still on:

1. Tyson Fury - 30(21) 0 1 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 23(21) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 12.12.2020 vs Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 1(1) 0 - (#10)

3. Alexander Povetkin - 36(25) 2(1) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Deontay Wilder - 42(41) 1(1) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Oleksandr Usyk - 18(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

6. Dillian Whyte - 27(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Andy Ruiz Jr - 33(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 18.12.2020 vs Chauncy Welliver - 57(23) 13(4) 5 - (BoxRec's #384)

9. Joseph Parker - 27(21) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Kubrat Pulev - 28(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 12.12.2020 vs Anthony Joshua - 23(21) 1(1) 0 - (#2)

11. Luis Ortiz - 32(27) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Dereck Chisora - 32(23) 10(3) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Joe Joyce - 11(10) 0 0 - next fight: 28.11.2020 vs Daniel Dubois - 15(14) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #21)

14. Óscar Rivas - 26(18) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Agit Kabayel - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

[oogiebe]

16 votes:

With yoka vs hammer in about 15 hours, is that when initial voting will end? and then people will vote on changes after that and the DDD/joyce fight?

Exactly, just a few hours remain.

Yoka/Hammer should have no effect. Dubs/Joyce is the impactful fight.

[DrDuke]

8. Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 18.12.2020 vs Chauncy Welliver - 57(23) 13(4) 5 - (BoxRec's #384)

Oh, I didn't know, that Hunter has already been scheduled to fight. What an awful matchup.

[aicheligad]

With yoka vs hammer in about 15 hours, is that when initial voting will end? and then people will vote on changes after that and the DDD/joyce fight?

Exactly, just a few hours remain.

Yoka/Hammer should have no effect. Dubs/Joyce is the impactful fight.

Meaningful fights of fighters outside the ranking were voted on as well before. But always they were voted to remain unranked, Anyway, the voting had to end after this fight because this could affect one's vote.

[aicheligad]

With yoka vs hammer in about 15 hours, is that when initial voting will end? and then people will vote on changes after that and the DDD/joyce fight?

Exactly, just a few hours remain.

Yoka/Hammer should have no effect. Dubs/Joyce is the impactful fight.

Dub/Joyce gonna be voted as well. But, for example, KO 1 Yoka on Hammer could affect the result the voting, that's why it had to end before it.

[aicheligad]

8. Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 18.12.2020 vs Chauncy Welliver - 57(23) 13(4) 5 - (BoxRec's #384)

Oh, I didn't know, that Hunter has already been scheduled to fight. What an awful matchup.

Hunter is very underrated fighter IIMO but yeah, this is an awful match-up.

[aicheligad]

8. Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 18.12.2020 vs Chauncy Welliver - 57(23) 13(4) 5 - (BoxRec's #384)

Oh, I didn't know, that Hunter has already been scheduled to fight. What an awful matchup.

It's, I think, the first fighter in our TOP 15 to fight someone below the BoxRec's TOP 200....

[oogiebe]

8. Michael Hunter - 18(12) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 18.12.2020 vs Chauncy Welliver - 57(23) 13(4) 5 - (BoxRec's #384)

Oh, I didn't know, that Hunter has already been scheduled to fight. What an awful matchup.

Hunter is very underrated fighter IIMO but yeah, this is an awful match-up.

A less than stellar performance by Hunter and he should drop.