Round-by-Round: Joe Joyce vs. Daniel Dubois - 28 November 2020

[DrDuke]

I don't think Dubois trained for that version of Joyce, they weren't expecting that amount of jabs, Joyce just kept the jabs coming and unsettling Dubois with it, add in the strength of Joyce in the clinches he was the stronger man.

There was no plan b after the first 2-3 rounds you could see what Joyce's plan was, but Dubois corner couldn't adjust to beat the jab.

Yeah. Dub appeared to be one-dimensional. Relied only his power.

[Tuan_Jim]

I don't see the ring IQ, fundamentals or world level power in dubois. Just looks very average to me. I think tough guys with proper amateur experience will always have their way with him.

[DrDuke]

I don't see the ring IQ, fundamentals or world level power in dubois. Just looks very average to me. I think tough guys with proper amateur experience will always have their way with him.

There were no signs of ring IQ indeed against Joyce. Also, Dub's head movement was unexistent. But his fundamentals and power are good. He was just one-dimensional, while Joyce chin appeared to be great.

[smiling assassin]

Dubois’s biggest downfall last night was his inability to block, parry or slip the jab.

[MightyWarrior]

Broken orbital socket and nerve damage says the athletic.

The doc should have been called to check him
before the knockdown

[DrDuke]

Broken orbital socket and nerve damage says the athletic.

The doc should have been called to check him
before the knockdown

What the doc could say without the x-ray? It looked just like a swelling. Tyson had a similar one against Douglas.

Still no shame in quitting for Dub.

[MightyWarrior]

Of course the doc would be able to make a better judgement than anybody else by checking it and asking Dan some questions..it looked terrible for four rounds & should’ve at least been checked.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

[high tower 1]

If that’s the case Frampton and Hayes comments haven’t aged well. I had a feeling it would be a broken bone.

Hopefully he recovers well from it.

He’ll have learnt a lot from this and it’s how you can come back from disappointment that will show if you can be a champion. If he moved his heard more , more jabbing and throw in body shots he could
Have got a UD. it’s all experience and he’ll know now that not everyone can be knocked out.

[high tower 1]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

[Tuan_Jim]

Again I don't think there's anything wrong with saying he quit. Tony Tucker had his orbital bone smashed t Bruce Seldon, eye swollen shut, and he continued fighting.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Let’s not pretend Joyce put on a masterclass here, it was a close fight and unfortunately DD had had enough by the 10th. Joyce is a handful but I’d say he’ll lose a close decision to Usyk in a stinker and lose comfortably to AJ and Fury, a points loss vs Fury and possibly late stoppage vs AJ.

One fight I would REALLY want to see (but wouldn’t happen) is Joyce/Wilder, how intriguing would that be !

[rhino222]

Here is my take on DDDs decision to remain on one knee.-

The fight was competitive and close right until its end. I had DDD 2 or 3 rounds up. By deciding to call it a day DDD may well have saved his own career. He was not 'beaten up' or 'laid out' .... and indeed was not even losing. But if he had carried on with just one eye in a competitive fight he may well have been as Joyces right cross would have been coming from the blind side.

DDD will face a few months of ridicule but there are still question marks as to what would/could have happened if the fight had continued. But those questions can be answered in the way Dubois conducts the rest of his career. Yes its the 'hurt game' but it is a sport after all.

I think he did the right thing, to ensure that the foundations are still there for him to build on for the rest of his career. Its a questionable loss he suffered last night, it wasnt a convincing loss.

Hats off to JJ, however he looked, he won the fight and showed a damn good chin.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He should come back and be a quiet man.

Just go out and do what he does best..

He didn’t fight a novice last night.. he fought a very experienced boxer who has been in the ring with some of the best names win or lose.

I was rooting for Joyce and glad he won. Doesn’t matter how you lose.. some people won’t forget, but some will. It’s the haters that won’t forget. Dubois is still learning and last night was his biggest lesson so far IMO.

I don’t believe in, “ if you lose, change your team”..

His team did seem clueless a little, but realistically, basic head movement? Is that something you teach really? He’s never done it.

Dubois has a good jab, but he was beaten to it last night by the better man.

Joyce will probably always have Dub’s number.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

Yeh, him being flattened by Povetkin was just as bad, considering he was supposed to bring “MAXIMUM VOILENCE”..

Looks like Pov took it from him.

I hope Pov does it again..

[rd350lc]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

Classless as usual from Whyte .
Did he give Joshua any stick when he properly quit ?
I hardly call Dubious a quitter , that eye was awful , Joshua didn't look anything like as bad .

[maverick23]

People can talk all they want about Dubois coming back from this due to his age etc. The reality could be very different. The aura around him has gone, the bubble burst. How he deals with this internally is the key here. Mentally he just took a sustained pasting from a guy who did not fear his power, a guy who could take his power all night.

That is gonna eat away at Dubois. Add to the the whole "quitting" aspect. That eye was bad and no doubt extremely painfull, but taking the knee and waiting out about that he could have clearly risen from is gonna haunt him and raise questions of his heart, his fighting spirit.

Joyce`s chin looked almost superhuman, but the question has to be asked about the power of Dubois. Clearly he has power, but perhaps not what we thought and the power clearly waned as the rounds went on. It`s fine knocking over tomato cans, but when a guy takes your power and keeps smashing you up, we saw the results.

This will be a very hard defeat to take and I think we could have seen the end of him. A bit like Brook after GGG. Brook was never the same guy after that beating, his belief had gone.

Dubois needed another couple of years and maybe a dozen more learning fights against increasingly competent opposition. He was rushed into this and got found out.

His corner were poor. They seemed well out of their depth and they just added to the panic and literally gave zero instruction, just some pound shop psychology that had th eopposite effect of what they were looking for.

I think Joyce rolled with the punches extremely well and barely got hit with any right hands whilst he was coming forward - most of the time he was moving away from the punch as it landed.

He also moved well throughout moving to his right pretty much the whole fight.

It showed that Dubois needed better learning fights rather than mostly fighting unknowns (Lartey, Fujimoto etc). The Jennings win helped Joe massively and Dubois never had an equivalent fight to help him.

[Coco]

DDD was beat up, physically that will have taken something out of him.

Eye sockets heal but often when your confidence is taken away it never returns.

I think it's a long road back for the youngster

[Twinkle Toes]

I thought Joyce was ahead by the time of the stoppage, 2 maybe 3 rounds. Not really seeing how Dubois could possibly be ahead unless those short bursts were considered enough to win a round. He wasn't anywhere near busy enough. He was having to dig very deep to stay in there from my seat.

Dubois will come again, but his aura has been destroyed, the fact that he sat out a ten count is never going to look good. True the referee was an idiot, but never expect anything less from John Lewis and his corner seemed more interested in trying to gee Dubois up to go another round than take a serious look at his eye and consider what was best for their man. Dubois had to make that call himself.

Dubois has a lot to learn, and it's been obvious every time he fights. I hope to see some improvements going forward and some better matchmaking, but I feel he has a lot of fundamental flaws that are going to take a lot of time to work on, that's if they can be fixed. In reality if he was the hot prospect that we were being led to believe then he should have won this fight. Big Joe is 35 and didn't need anything more than a jab to get the job done. It's not good.

[DrDuke]

I thought Joyce was ahead by the time of the stoppage, 2 maybe 3 rounds. Not really seeing how Dubois could possibly be ahead unless those short bursts were considered enough to win a round. He wasn't anywhere near busy enough. He was having to dig very deep to stay in there from my seat.

Right, who only the one judge came up with pro-Dub card?

[high tower 1]

If fury can get beat by mcdermott and come back then Dubois can learn and come back from this.

Joyce is far from pretty to watch but he will be a very hard night for everyone. He’s massive , bull strong , iron chin his movement is improving. You’re going 12 rounds whoever you are.

[wildwaylon1]

I think BJS put it perfectly when he said '' They took each other to the middle of the ocean, but it was Joe Joyce who swam back''. A very competitive fight to begin with, but Joyce had the better jab and won. To my mind, Joyce had the better pedigree and had fought better opposition. Joyce had the longer reach and if your main asset is your jab then that will get you the points. I could only give Dubois 3 rounds at best, so Joyce was the clear winner without the stoppage. Joyce says he has haters, but who could possibly hate him? He is a lovely man, confident but still humble, and I wish him great success.

[maverick23]

Just watched an interview with Joyce’s mum on IFL. Very classy and it’s clear that Joe comes from a good family. Really happy for them particularly after Dubois’ comments.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]