Orbital or Jaw

[Terminator666]

Could these types of injuries incur different levels of pain in different fights-There have been footballers who have played on with broken necks- would not have that that possible

[Old bones Ian]

I think a lot of it comes down to lack of amateur experience for Dubois, not having the grounding to deal with fights that don't go to plan, how to recover from pain, not panicking. Even how to avoid a jab, high level am's learn over time how to slip a jab as second nature, something Dubois couldn't do

[dookus]

Even how to avoid a jab, high level am's learn over time how to slip a jab as second nature, something Dubois couldn't do

It was baffling in the later rounds to see how easily Joyce landed the jab. At some point you thought he must come in under it and let the combinations off, but he just kept it in place getting absolutely tattooed. He's not going anywhere at decent level if that isn't sorted out.

[Coco]

I think a lot of it comes down to lack of amateur experience for Dubois, not having the grounding to deal with fights that don't go to plan, how to recover from pain, not panicking. Even how to avoid a jab, high level am's learn over time how to slip a jab as second nature, something Dubois couldn't do

But hasn't Dubois been in the gym since he was a little kid? Winning everything nationally? Part of the elite GB set up? And winning international tournaments?

[Old bones Ian]

I think a lot of it comes down to lack of amateur experience for Dubois, not having the grounding to deal with fights that don't go to plan, how to recover from pain, not panicking. Even how to avoid a jab, high level am's learn over time how to slip a jab as second nature, something Dubois couldn't do

But hasn't Dubois been in the gym since he was a little kid?

Yeah, but hasn't been in the big 50/50 am fights that Joyce has , that big fight experience, Olympics etc , I just felt that the no crowd would play into Joyce's favour as well.
Could be that Dubois just isn't at the level we thought as well.

[Coco]

I think a lot of it comes down to lack of amateur experience for Dubois, not having the grounding to deal with fights that don't go to plan, how to recover from pain, not panicking. Even how to avoid a jab, high level am's learn over time how to slip a jab as second nature, something Dubois couldn't do

But hasn't Dubois been in the gym since he was a little kid?

Yeah, but hasn't been in the big 50/50 am fights that Joyce has , that big fight experience, Olympics etc , I just felt that the no crowd would play into Joyce's favour as well.
Could be that Dubois just isn't at the level we thought as well.

Maybe he just isn't at the level or maybe JJ was just all wrong for him. He may well struggle in fights he can't win by KO.
Obv he didn't do what Joyce did in the ams, but that didn't hurt Fury, in reality staying in the ams too long is a bad thing.
Moreover it was softer matching in the pros which hurt DD more.

[Delta Jay]

Just take a minute, have a think what it must actually feel like to have your fornicating eyeball bone snapped by an 18 stone man punching you in the face over and over

I’ve been laughing at this sentence for the last couple of minutes. A neat summary of the events that led to the finish, haha.

[DrDuke]

Neither orbital, nor jaw injuries are as bad as thpinal ones.

[Old bones Ian]

But hasn't Dubois been in the gym since he was a little kid?

Yeah, but hasn't been in the big 50/50 am fights that Joyce has , that big fight experience, Olympics etc , I just felt that the no crowd would play into Joyce's favour as well.
Could be that Dubois just isn't at the level we thought as well.

Maybe he just isn't at the level or maybe JJ was just all wrong for him. He may well struggle in fights he can't win by KO.
Obv he didn't do what Joyce did in the ams, but that didn't hurt Fury, in reality staying in the ams too long is a bad thing.
Moreover it was softer matching in the pros which hurt DD more.

You know more than me mate with your experience , it's a hard one to call , last night may be the making of Dubois, time will tell.
He's going to be out for a few months anyway, and now he'll realise who his true mates are , less hype , few comeback fights to build him up. I'm not on the haters thing with him, he's only 23 , so loads of life experience to learn.
Other thing is, he may call it a day , worse ways to earn a living

[Coco]

Yeah, but hasn't been in the big 50/50 am fights that Joyce has , that big fight experience, Olympics etc , I just felt that the no crowd would play into Joyce's favour as well.
Could be that Dubois just isn't at the level we thought as well.

Maybe he just isn't at the level or maybe JJ was just all wrong for him. He may well struggle in fights he can't win by KO.
Obv he didn't do what Joyce did in the ams, but that didn't hurt Fury, in reality staying in the ams too long is a bad thing.
Moreover it was softer matching in the pros which hurt DD more.

You know more than me mate with your experience , it's a hard one to call , last night may be the making of Dubois, time will tell.
He's going to be out for a few months anyway, and now he'll realise who his true mates are , less hype , few comeback fights to build him up. I'm not on the haters thing with him, he's only 23 , so loads of life experience to learn.
Other thing is, he may call it a day , worse ways to earn a living

He def has time to develop, he is a baby, both AJ and JJ were amateurs at his age.

First thing let's see how the injury heals, and past that how much it has affected him mentally.

Looking at the fight JJ didn't tag him with any bombs and it was a slow paced thoughtful fight, so questions about chin and stamina are still to be answered.

David Price was a dangerous banger but after losing confidence he went gunshy,

And at this level DD doesn't look like he can win fights only on the jab.

[jameswilson]

Neither orbital, nor jaw injuries are as bad as thpinal ones.

Took me a few seconds on that one.

[Old bones Ian]

Maybe he just isn't at the level or maybe JJ was just all wrong for him. He may well struggle in fights he can't win by KO.
Obv he didn't do what Joyce did in the ams, but that didn't hurt Fury, in reality staying in the ams too long is a bad thing.
Moreover it was softer matching in the pros which hurt DD more.

You know more than me mate with your experience , it's a hard one to call , last night may be the making of Dubois, time will tell.
He's going to be out for a few months anyway, and now he'll realise who his true mates are , less hype , few comeback fights to build him up. I'm not on the haters thing with him, he's only 23 , so loads of life experience to learn.
Other thing is, he may call it a day , worse ways to earn a living

He def has time to develop, he is a baby, both AJ and JJ were amateurs at his age.

First thing let's see how the injury heals, and past that how much it has affected him mentally.

Looking at the fight JJ didn't tag him with any bombs and it was a slow paced thoughtful fight, so questions about chin and stamina are still to be answered.

David Price was a dangerous banger but after losing confidence he went gunshy,

And at this level DD doesn't look like he can win fights only on the jab.

Yep could be the making of him or another Pele Reid

[margaret thatcher]

have no first hand experience, but it seems to me like guys fight through the broken jaw more. with the eye injury, you often see guys just turn away or have it stopped right there

[oogiebe]

It's reported that DUbs suffered both a broken orbital bone as well as nerve damage around the eye. They are considering surgery options.

THat said, the nerve damage is excruciatingly painful and carrying on in the fight could've caused even more damage.

Joyce beat Dubs. He pounded that eye and caused the injuries. Kudos to both fighters. Depending on post surgery outcome, Dubs will be back. Joyce now moves into title contention.

[coneye]

Been watching ,,, reading ,, and listening , to many fans and pundits alike ,, and what seems to me is , we have come to expect tooo much ,,, in fact waaaay tooooo much from our sportsman ,, start with there only human ,, wether it was the jaw or the orbital that was broke , i don't know ,

firstly the jaw ,, well don't know what pain you would be in but i would consider it immense ,, like ali said if he knew it was his jaw he would of quit , these guys can take more pain than the average Joe and punches are just part of the job so to get a broken jaw and carry on is brave and tough , .

Orbital , i know how that hurt i've done it ,,, mine was'nt in the ring from continous hits , it was in a accident and one big hit , the eye swelled up , withinn seconds , much much more than DD;S did the swelling covered the eye it was instantaniously black and i could'nt see ,, funny enough there was no pain in it not physical pain ,, but mentally it was different , i had to wait , can't remember excatly but think it was around 7-8 days , BEFORE they knew if the eye and sight was damaged , the eye was covered in swelling , and i can tell you NO WAY WOULD I FIGHT OR CARRY ON FIGHTING WITH AN EYE LIKE THAT .

Thats why you have corner men and doctors there , and the fact that he pulled himself out , shows neither done there job , there were 3 people at fault here ,

1--- The head corner man for not stopping it , or at least calling the doctor .
2 ,, The ref for same reasons has above .
3 The doctor , for not getting on the apron and , looking at it ,, and he has every right too .

The only one with a brain , was the young man himself , who relized he had a serious injury that could cost him his sight , so he quit , and GOOD ON HIM , he was let down by the ones he trusted , If he comes back which he probably will , bet he gets a different team around him .

Now Frampton , and that pratt Haye , they were quick to accuse him off quitting , well its easy to say that , but lets see how Frampton does if it happenns to him , and Haye , well heres a guy who blamed his big toe on failure to produce never mind an eye like that ,, Then you have Nelson , well he quit in most fights , , he had , just did'nt say NO MAS and walk out ,, he said NO MAS throughout the whole fights and run and held , refused to engage , and become one of the most boring champs i've ever seen ,, so these guys should keep there mouths shut ,,, but i suspect by pulling DD down there really just trying to say , see how tough i am i would'nt of done it ,,, but it was'nt there sight on the line it was'nt there eye .

Now regards pur DD , i don't want to jump on a bandwagon , but i'll tell you i have never felt he's elite world level . i've always felt he's been pushed to soon at its to early for him ,, personaly i feel he's just another british heavyweight , been spoon fed and brought along then threw in for a big chance it fight , his problem is he has a promoter who is desperate and impatiant to become num 1 promoter again and was backing DD to help him do it ,,

Regards JJ , well i think he done well , but he beat an inexperienced novice , who was slow , either did'nt know or was unable to slip punches and fire back with two hands , and still would'nt go for the kill DD was there for the taking from rnd 7 , but some may say JJ shown experience , and patience , i say hhe shown fear of getting tagged and refused too open up with two hands on a guy with one eye ,,

He will not get away with that against the elite JJ shown he has a good jab and it won him the fight , but that jab will fall way short against someone who knows how to slip and counter with two hands ,

Was it a good fight hell yes , because they were fairly evenly matched , but it did show that DD has been rushed , which i suspect is more for the promoters impatiance to get on top ,, and JJ has left his run too late he's just too slow .

They gave us a good fight but for heavens sake DD should not cop flak for doing what the trainer , ref and doctor should off done and thats look after his own health

Too many fans expect these gladiators to die or get seriously injured for there benefit , DD DONE THE RIGHT THING

[mickey1975]

Going blind would be my worst fear.

[oogiebe]

Going blind would be my worst fear.

Yeah, or at least one of my top fears.

[coneye]

Going blind would be my worst fear.

AGREE 100 % Mickey ,,, Has stated above , when it happenned to me , i was'nt getting hit on it continously , but it was days before they could check my eye out too see , so i just sat there shitting myself in case i was blind in that eye , it was scary ,, NO WAY would i fight somone with that injury ,, His corner should of stopped it ,, theres a lot of brave trainers out there .

From rnd 7 on it would certainly of been on his mind .

[ShadrachSimmo]

Going blind would be my worst fear.

AGREE 100 % Mickey ,,, Has stated above , when it happenned to me , i was'nt getting hit on it continously , but it was days before they could check my eye out too see , so i just sat there shitting myself in case i was blind in that eye , it was scary ,, NO WAY would i fight somone with that injury ,, His corner should of stopped it ,, theres a lot of brave trainers out there .

From rnd 7 on it would certainly of been on his mind .

Dubois should be praised for fighting with 1 eye for half the fight rather than lambasted for stopping to save his sight.

[handsofstone]

Anthony Ogogo was another one who got slaughtered for bailing against Cunningham, he nearly went blind and never fought again

[Fearful_Freddie]

It's insane how Harry Greb fought with one eye and did extremely well for most of his career. DDD did the right thing imo.

[Counter-puncher]

Been watching ,,, reading ,, and listening , to many fans and pundits alike ,, and what seems to me is , we have come to expect tooo much ,,, in fact waaaay tooooo much from our sportsman ,, start with there only human ,, wether it was the jaw or the orbital that was broke , i don't know ,

firstly the jaw ,, well don't know what pain you would be in but i would consider it immense ,, like ali said if he knew it was his jaw he would of quit , these guys can take more pain than the average Joe and punches are just part of the job so to get a broken jaw and carry on is brave and tough , .

Orbital , i know how that hurt i've done it ,,, mine was'nt in the ring from continous hits , it was in a accident and one big hit , the eye swelled up , withinn seconds , much much more than DD;S did the swelling covered the eye it was instantaniously black and i could'nt see ,, funny enough there was no pain in it not physical pain ,, but mentally it was different , i had to wait , can't remember excatly but think it was around 7-8 days , BEFORE they knew if the eye and sight was damaged , the eye was covered in swelling , and i can tell you NO WAY WOULD I FIGHT OR CARRY ON FIGHTING WITH AN EYE LIKE THAT .

Thats why you have corner men and doctors there , and the fact that he pulled himself out , shows neither done there job , there were 3 people at fault here ,

1--- The head corner man for not stopping it , or at least calling the doctor .
2 ,, The ref for same reasons has above .
3 The doctor , for not getting on the apron and , looking at it ,, and he has every right too .

The only one with a brain , was the young man himself , who relized he had a serious injury that could cost him his sight , so he quit , and GOOD ON HIM , he was let down by the ones he trusted , If he comes back which he probably will , bet he gets a different team around him .

Now Frampton , and that pratt Haye , they were quick to accuse him off quitting , well its easy to say that , but lets see how Frampton does if it happenns to him , and Haye , well heres a guy who blamed his big toe on failure to produce never mind an eye like that ,, Then you have Nelson , well he quit in most fights , , he had , just did'nt say NO MAS and walk out ,, he said NO MAS throughout the whole fights and run and held , refused to engage , and become one of the most boring champs i've ever seen ,, so these guys should keep there mouths shut ,,, but i suspect by pulling DD down there really just trying to say , see how tough i am i would'nt of done it ,,, but it was'nt there sight on the line it was'nt there eye .

Now regards pur DD , i don't want to jump on a bandwagon , but i'll tell you i have never felt he's elite world level . i've always felt he's been pushed to soon at its to early for him ,, personaly i feel he's just another british heavyweight , been spoon fed and brought along then threw in for a big chance it fight , his problem is he has a promoter who is desperate and impatiant to become num 1 promoter again and was backing DD to help him do it ,,

Regards JJ , well i think he done well , but he beat an inexperienced novice , who was slow , either did'nt know or was unable to slip punches and fire back with two hands , and still would'nt go for the kill DD was there for the taking from rnd 7 , but some may say JJ shown experience , and patience , i say hhe shown fear of getting tagged and refused too open up with two hands on a guy with one eye ,,

He will not get away with that against the elite JJ shown he has a good jab and it won him the fight , but that jab will fall way short against someone who knows how to slip and counter with two hands ,

Was it a good fight hell yes , because they were fairly evenly matched , but it did show that DD has been rushed , which i suspect is more for the promoters impatiance to get on top ,, and JJ has left his run too late he's just too slow .

They gave us a good fight but for heavens sake DD should not cop flak for doing what the trainer , ref and doctor should off done and thats look after his own health

Too many fans expect these gladiators to die or get seriously injured for there benefit , DD DONE THE RIGHT THING

[jamesmcdonnell]

Maybe he just isn't at the level or maybe JJ was just all wrong for him. He may well struggle in fights he can't win by KO.
Obv he didn't do what Joyce did in the ams, but that didn't hurt Fury, in reality staying in the ams too long is a bad thing.
Moreover it was softer matching in the pros which hurt DD more.

You know more than me mate with your experience , it's a hard one to call , last night may be the making of Dubois, time will tell.
He's going to be out for a few months anyway, and now he'll realise who his true mates are , less hype , few comeback fights to build him up. I'm not on the haters thing with him, he's only 23 , so loads of life experience to learn.
Other thing is, he may call it a day , worse ways to earn a living

He def has time to develop, he is a baby, both AJ and JJ were amateurs at his age.

First thing let's see how the injury heals, and past that how much it has affected him mentally.

Looking at the fight JJ didn't tag him with any bombs and it was a slow paced thoughtful fight, so questions about chin and stamina are still to be answered.

David Price was a dangerous banger but after losing confidence he went gunshy,

And at this level DD doesn't look like he can win fights only on the jab.

After about round 6, Dubois seemed to tire after the first minute of each round.

[Wee Tommy]

Been watching ,,, reading ,, and listening , to many fans and pundits alike ,, and what seems to me is , we have come to expect tooo much ,,, in fact waaaay tooooo much from our sportsman ,, start with there only human ,, wether it was the jaw or the orbital that was broke , i don't know ,

firstly the jaw ,, well don't know what pain you would be in but i would consider it immense ,, like ali said if he knew it was his jaw he would of quit , these guys can take more pain than the average Joe and punches are just part of the job so to get a broken jaw and carry on is brave and tough , .

Orbital , i know how that hurt i've done it ,,, mine was'nt in the ring from continous hits , it was in a accident and one big hit , the eye swelled up , withinn seconds , much much more than DD;S did the swelling covered the eye it was instantaniously black and i could'nt see ,, funny enough there was no pain in it not physical pain ,, but mentally it was different , i had to wait , can't remember excatly but think it was around 7-8 days , BEFORE they knew if the eye and sight was damaged , the eye was covered in swelling , and i can tell you NO WAY WOULD I FIGHT OR CARRY ON FIGHTING WITH AN EYE LIKE THAT .

Thats why you have corner men and doctors there , and the fact that he pulled himself out , shows neither done there job , there were 3 people at fault here ,

1--- The head corner man for not stopping it , or at least calling the doctor .
2 ,, The ref for same reasons has above .
3 The doctor , for not getting on the apron and , looking at it ,, and he has every right too .

The only one with a brain , was the young man himself , who relized he had a serious injury that could cost him his sight , so he quit , and GOOD ON HIM , he was let down by the ones he trusted , If he comes back which he probably will , bet he gets a different team around him .

Now Frampton , and that pratt Haye , they were quick to accuse him off quitting , well its easy to say that , but lets see how Frampton does if it happenns to him , and Haye , well heres a guy who blamed his big toe on failure to produce never mind an eye like that ,, Then you have Nelson , well he quit in most fights , , he had , just did'nt say NO MAS and walk out ,, he said NO MAS throughout the whole fights and run and held , refused to engage , and become one of the most boring champs i've ever seen ,, so these guys should keep there mouths shut ,,, but i suspect by pulling DD down there really just trying to say , see how tough i am i would'nt of done it ,,, but it was'nt there sight on the line it was'nt there eye .

Now regards pur DD , i don't want to jump on a bandwagon , but i'll tell you i have never felt he's elite world level . i've always felt he's been pushed to soon at its to early for him ,, personaly i feel he's just another british heavyweight , been spoon fed and brought along then threw in for a big chance it fight , his problem is he has a promoter who is desperate and impatiant to become num 1 promoter again and was backing DD to help him do it ,,

Regards JJ , well i think he done well , but he beat an inexperienced novice , who was slow , either did'nt know or was unable to slip punches and fire back with two hands , and still would'nt go for the kill DD was there for the taking from rnd 7 , but some may say JJ shown experience , and patience , i say hhe shown fear of getting tagged and refused too open up with two hands on a guy with one eye ,,

He will not get away with that against the elite JJ shown he has a good jab and it won him the fight , but that jab will fall way short against someone who knows how to slip and counter with two hands ,

Was it a good fight hell yes , because they were fairly evenly matched , but it did show that DD has been rushed , which i suspect is more for the promoters impatiance to get on top ,, and JJ has left his run too late he's just too slow .

They gave us a good fight but for heavens sake DD should not cop flak for doing what the trainer , ref and doctor should off done and thats look after his own health

Too many fans expect these gladiators to die or get seriously injured for there benefit , DD DONE THE RIGHT THING

Agree with all that

[rhino222]

You cant compare a jaw injury to an orbital injury.

The jaw is a functioning bone on a hinge, if its bust it wont work well and you wont chew for a while and it will need wiring/plating.

The eye socket is a protecting area of bone, as is the skull, the pelvis, the ribcage etc. They are designed to protect whats inside it. Its there to protect the eye and the optic nerve etc. far far more important than your jaw.