Don’t Tell Me Daniel Dubois is a Quitter

[Steveh583]

Fair enough mate. It’s not isolated to this subject. I just find it incredibly pathetic to be calling Dubois a quitter just doesn’t sit well. This is a guy who spends his time living in Chris Eubanks arsehole.

yeah its not a nice term for what they give is it. yeah hes obsessed lol. tell you what tho, no quit in Eubank was there?

Nope no quit. It’s also easy to see how the 2nd Watson fight effected his output and ‘killer for nstinct’ for the worse.

It’s a sport and I don’t want to watch anyone die or be seriously injured.

I’ve been contemplating the origins of this ‘out on your shield’ stuff and I wonder if it was instilled into the common fighting man by the toffs who used to bet so rabidly on the outcomes back in the early days of organised fighting. If someone didn’t give life or death effort I imagine they’d be ridiculed and cut out of the earnings, perhaps flung in gaol.

a very interesting point mate. maybe.

[emallini]

If a fighter has had enough and voluntarily falls back to the ropes with his guard up hoping for a flurry to end it, is that quitting?

[Counter-puncher]

Nope no quit. It’s also easy to see how the 2nd Watson fight effected his output and ‘killer for nstinct’ for the worse.

It’s a sport and I don’t want to watch anyone die or be seriously injured.

I’ve been contemplating the origins of this ‘out on your shield’ stuff and I wonder if it was instilled into the common fighting man by the toffs who used to bet so rabidly on the outcomes back in the early days of organised fighting. If someone didn’t give life or death effort I imagine they’d be ridiculed and cut out of the earnings, perhaps flung in gaol.

Could be that. My guess is a) as you say, boxing used to be even more closely identified with gambling than it is now b) for a large chunk of its history (i.e. before the Queensbury Rules) the winner of a fight was decided by who gave up first, so c) it became part of the culture for those backing the loser to blame the fighter for their lack of heart / quitting etc, regardless of why they did so. So even though the rules are totally different now, the reflex remains

Aye true mate, fights to a finish.

interesting idea

[Wee Tommy]

Could be that. My guess is a) as you say, boxing used to be even more closely identified with gambling than it is now b) for a large chunk of its history (i.e. before the Queensbury Rules) the winner of a fight was decided by who gave up first, so c) it became part of the culture for those backing the loser to blame the fighter for their lack of heart / quitting etc, regardless of why they did so. So even though the rules are totally different now, the reflex remains

Aye true mate, fights to a finish.

interesting idea

I know the term out on your shield is much older but you know what am getting at mate. The underclass as cannon fodder and entertainment for the wealthy. Now we the underclass expect the same from our performers. Die or your a quitter

Some guys live the rest of their lives in pain and ill health just to say ‘I ain’t no quitter’...who cares you only have one life why make it worse for other peoples benefit

[Jimmy2020]

Could DD have gone on? Yes

Did DD choose to end the fight? Yes

Was he spent? Probably

Would he have won if he had have continued? Unlikely

Did DD take the sensible option for his health? Yes

Would Eubank have continued? Yes
Would Benn pre McClleland have continued? Yes
Would Bellew have continued? Probably not

You don't think Benn could have got up quicker than he did from the Watson jab?

[Counter-puncher]

Aye true mate, fights to a finish.

interesting idea

I know the term out on your shield is much older but you know what am getting at mate.

I'd not really thought of it in those terms, but it may have something to it

the spectacle of 'fans' spitting venom, because (what Jimmy would call) entertainers aren't prepared to suffer quite enough for their amusement, is certainly an unedifying one. Ultimately i think the roots of the reason it makes me uncomfortable lie in exactly the image you evoke; braying toffs betting on their favorite pet commoners/blacks (in the case of the Deep South mandingos). It's a pretty depressing picture isn't it.

[Counter-puncher]

Could DD have gone on? Yes

Did DD choose to end the fight? Yes

Was he spent? Probably

Would he have won if he had have continued? Unlikely

Did DD take the sensible option for his health? Yes

Would Eubank have continued? Yes
Would Benn pre McClleland have continued? Yes
Would Bellew have continued? Probably not

You don't think Benn could have got up quicker than he did from the Watson jab?

just one of the images that came to mind over the weekend when the chatter started against DD

also worth noting Benn momentarily turned his back in that fight (i think he was hit in the eye, maybe)

[Kilburn]

Given that Dubois has now proven that he can more than cope with the heat of a battle when things are significantly tougher for him than had ever been experienced before, I expect he'll be just fine when he returns.

The ending to the fight doesn't change that for me. The going had got tough way before that moment.

[jameswilson]

What do people think about Jose Luis Castillo vs Hatton?

I see it as the same as Dubois. Cracked ribs. fornicate this live to fight another day,

[TheGman]

What do people think about Jose Luis Castillo vs Hatton?

I see it as the same as Dubois. Cracked ribs. fornicate this live to fight another day,

De La Hoya vs Hopkins? Another quitter

[Counter-puncher]

Would Bellew have continued? Probably not

what would Boomer do?

He'd go home safe to those kids, is what Boomer would do

[jamesmcdonnell]

He would go and give his nan a cuddle.

[Cyclops]

What do people think about Jose Luis Castillo vs Hatton?

I see it as the same as Dubois. Cracked ribs. fornicate this live to fight another day,

De La Hoya vs Hopkins? Another quitter

Hopkins v Dawson 1: QUIT.

[margaret thatcher]

What do people think about Jose Luis Castillo vs Hatton?

I see it as the same as Dubois. Cracked ribs. fornicate this live to fight another day,

De La Hoya vs Hopkins? Another quitter

Hopkins v Dawson 1: QUIT.

a very fitting username for this discussion

[Cyclops]

De La Hoya vs Hopkins? Another quitter

Hopkins v Dawson 1: QUIT.

a very fitting username for this discussion

Don't think it hasn't crossed my mind!

[TheGman]

De La Hoya vs Hopkins? Another quitter

Hopkins v Dawson 1: QUIT.

a very fitting username for this discussion

Hahahaha

[Tuan_Jim]

interesting idea

I know the term out on your shield is much older but you know what am getting at mate.

I'd not really thought of it in those terms, but it may have something to it

the spectacle of 'fans' spitting venom, because (what Jimmy would call) entertainers aren't prepared to suffer quite enough for their amusement, is certainly an unedifying one. Ultimately i think the roots of the reason it makes me uncomfortable lie in exactly the image you evoke; braying toffs betting on their favorite pet commoners/blacks (in the case of the Deep South mandingos). It's a pretty depressing picture isn't it.

Gentlemen, I think your obsession with class may be pathological.

[Frostieballs]

You can quit, but not be a quitter.

[dookus]

Aye true mate, fights to a finish.

interesting idea

Some guys live the rest of their lives in pain and ill health just to say ‘I ain’t no quitter’...who cares you only have one life why make it worse for other peoples benefit

Bang on. Nobody owes anyone else their health, least of all for pride's sake.

[Wee Tommy]

I know the term out on your shield is much older but you know what am getting at mate.

I'd not really thought of it in those terms, but it may have something to it

the spectacle of 'fans' spitting venom, because (what Jimmy would call) entertainers aren't prepared to suffer quite enough for their amusement, is certainly an unedifying one. Ultimately i think the roots of the reason it makes me uncomfortable lie in exactly the image you evoke; braying toffs betting on their favorite pet commoners/blacks (in the case of the Deep South mandingos). It's a pretty depressing picture isn't it.

Gentlemen, I think your obsession with class may be pathological.

Do you have a theory Jim?

[tigermoth87]

Quit like a bitch

Dubois the Dud

[coneye]

Coupls of weeks ago , the ref in America called the doc , they stopped the fight , and Maloney lost when they called it a headbutt , WHICH IT WAS'NT ,, but facts are , no one called the doctor and DD did'nt know how bad it was , he only knew he could'nt see and hurt like hell ,,

THE DOCTOR SHOULD OF BEEN CALLED ,, blame the corner man , and the ref , for not calling him , In fact even blame the doc for not jumping up and insisting to inspect it ,, they let him down , HE DID'NT LET THEM DOWN

[Tuan_Jim]

I'd not really thought of it in those terms, but it may have something to it

the spectacle of 'fans' spitting venom, because (what Jimmy would call) entertainers aren't prepared to suffer quite enough for their amusement, is certainly an unedifying one. Ultimately i think the roots of the reason it makes me uncomfortable lie in exactly the image you evoke; braying toffs betting on their favorite pet commoners/blacks (in the case of the Deep South mandingos). It's a pretty depressing picture isn't it.

Gentlemen, I think your obsession with class may be pathological.

Do you have a theory Jim?

In The Odyssey, an aggressive tramp runs his mouth at Odysseus and gets drawn into a boxing match with him. As Odysseus removes his robes and the tramp sees his physique ("His boxer's breadth of shoulder") his first instinct is to flee--but he knows he can't because he would lose face, and so takes his beating like a man in front of a crowd of amused onlookers. This scene would not have been strange to Homer's audience, the notion of manliness, honour and fighting to the finish not only being part of the warrior culture, but human nature itself. It predates your dreaded "toffs" by several thousand years, and makes you sound like a pair of marxist kooks.

[Wee Tommy]

Gentlemen, I think your obsession with class may be pathological.

Do you have a theory Jim?

In The Odyssey, an aggressive tramp runs his mouth at Odysseus and gets drawn into a boxing match with him. As Odysseus removes his robes and the tramp sees his physique ("His boxer's breadth of shoulder") his first instinct is to flee--but he knows he can't because he would lose face, and so takes his beating like a man in front of a crowd of amused onlookers. This scene would not have been strange to Homer's audience, the notion of manliness, honour and fighting to the finish not only being part of the warrior culture, but human nature itself. It predates your dreaded "toffs" by several thousand years, and makes you sound like a pair of marxist kooks.

Calm down Jim. Your theory was all I wanted not your bitterness mate.

[Frostieballs]

Gentlemen, I think your obsession with class may be pathological.

Do you have a theory Jim?

In The Odyssey, an aggressive tramp runs his mouth at Odysseus and gets drawn into a boxing match with him. As Odysseus removes his robes and the tramp sees his physique ("His boxer's breadth of shoulder") his first instinct is to flee--but he knows he can't because he would lose face, and so takes his beating like a man in front of a crowd of amused onlookers. This scene would not have been strange to Homer's audience, the notion of manliness, honour and fighting to the finish not only being part of the warrior culture, but human nature itself. It predates your dreaded "toffs" by several thousand years, and makes you sound like a pair of marxist kooks.

This just got weird.