Jimmy Ellis V Henry Cooper, who wins?

[Kalan]

Cooper v Amos Johnson

I have the full fight on DVD. Cooper was not at his best and was floored a couple of times from low blows and on both occasions the referee warned johnson. It was foul filled fight with neither boxer dominating. Scrappy affair and Cooper admitted in an interview in the dressing room that he knew from the first round that his timing was out. I could have scored the fight either way to be honest. Johnson was absolutely astonished that he got the decision and for about 30 seconds after his hand was raised didn't full realise he'd got it. He then went berserk jumping all over the place.
In those days British referees were known for their 'fairness' to foreign boxers typified by the decision in 1961 to award the fight to Joe Brown against Dave Charnley , an outcome which caused a mini riot in front of 18,000 fans.I also wrote Charnley's biography and have that fight as well on DVD. Charnley was robbed.

Even British sportswriters knew Cooper lost to Johnson and called his effort "uninspiring'" and worse...

[scorpio83]

Jimmy would outbox Henry for that ud win.

I agree Nile that Jimmy Ellis would pull his buddy's style to outbox Sir Henry through 15 rounds for a unanimous decision.

[Nile4000]

Jimmy would outbox Henry for that ud win.

I agree Nile that Jimmy Ellis would pull his buddy's style to outbox Sir Henry through 15 rounds for a unanimous decision.

Scorpio, who knows, there may be a slim chance he could stop him on cuts too .

[scorpio83]

Jimmy would outbox Henry for that ud win.

I agree Nile that Jimmy Ellis would pull his buddy's style to outbox Sir Henry through 15 rounds for a unanimous decision.

Scorpio, who knows, there may be a slim chance he could stop him on cuts too .

Jimmy Ellis could pull a Muhammad Ali on Sir Henry Cooper by stopping him on cuts.

[marktaha]

Was set for 1969. Fell through when BBC refused to recognise it as a world title fight- rightly in my view but Cooper gave up his British title in protest.
I believe that.Ellis would have won but would have had to watch out for.Cooper's left hook
Cooper was offered a title shot at Frazier in 1970 but wisely turned it down. He should have fought Chuvalo.but the thought of him against Frazier or Liston is too ghastly to.contemplate!

[Scypion]

Ellis.

[writehooks]

Ellis would've boxed Henry silly en route to a unanimous decision. Chuvalo would pounded him to a pulp before stopping him inside of 8.

[Gary1970]

I think even a 35 yr old cooper has a good chance in this , (it was scheduled for December 69) Ellis although speedy and a banger early, wasn't Ali, I think,Cooper,though cut, wins a close decision over Jimmy.
Then Henry fights Frazier at MSG in October 70' floors Joe early,but then gets ground down and stopped in 9

[Fray Bentos]

In his 1971 autobiography, the reason Cooper (in his own words) refused to fight Chuvalo is because Canadian promoters offered too little money for too much risk - also he was 'ugly' according to his manager Jim Wicks. Chuvalo's biggest regret was not fighting or winning the Commonwealth title. A shame really.

[Fray Bentos]

I think even a 35 yr old cooper has a good chance in this , (it was scheduled for December 69) Ellis although speedy and a banger early, wasn't Ali, I think,Cooper,though cut, wins a close decision over Jimmy.

You sound like a relative, not a fan! Ellis beats Patterson but loses to an elderly Henry Cooper on points? I don't see how he goes 15 rounds without being cut to shreds.

Then Henry fights Frazier at MSG in October 70' floors Joe early,but then gets ground down and stopped in 9

[klompton]

Cooper v Amos Johnson

I have the full fight on DVD. Cooper was not at his best and was floored a couple of times from low blows and on both occasions the referee warned johnson. It was foul filled fight with neither boxer dominating. Scrappy affair and Cooper admitted in an interview in the dressing room that he knew from the first round that his timing was out. I could have scored the fight either way to be honest. Johnson was absolutely astonished that he got the decision and for about 30 seconds after his hand was raised didn't full realise he'd got it. He then went berserk jumping all over the place.
In those days British referees were known for their 'fairness' to foreign boxers typified by the decision in 1961 to award the fight to Joe Brown against Dave Charnley , an outcome which caused a mini riot in front of 18,000 fans.I also wrote Charnley's biography and have that fight as well on DVD. Charnley was robbed.

Robbed? Lol. Less than half the fight survives and all of that is edited by the BBC focusing on Charnleys best moments. Brown dominated almost the entire fight, nothing controversial about that decision.

[Gary1970]

Fray Bentos. Patterson was robbed against Ellis,broke his nose,as well, I'm not saying cooper would beat Jimmy,but he has a chance,I didn't know that cooper was offered Frazier,Joe however was a slow starter and Jim Wicks would probably say to Henry ' give it every thing for five rounds' just my opinion

[Fray Bentos]

Fray Bentos. Patterson was robbed against Ellis,broke his nose,as well, I'm not saying cooper would beat Jimmy,but he has a chance,I didn't know that cooper was offered Frazier,Joe however was a slow starter and Jim Wicks would probably say to Henry ' give it every thing for five rounds' just my opinion

Patterson vs Ellis was close and Patterson was the 'home' fighter (albeit in Sweden) and it was a lot closer than Cooper vs Patterson Cooper wouldn't lasted 15 rounds with Ellis - no way in a million years.

Cooper would not have put Frazier on the deck and it wouldn't have gone nine rounds, probably two or three rounds, which is why Cooper and Wicks swerved it.

[DrDuke]

Ellis would definitely outbox sluggish Cooper, but Ellis wasn't a defensive wizard, so Enry would have a lot of opportunities to ice Jimmy.

[Fray Bentos]

Ellis would definitely outbox sluggish Cooper, but Ellis wasn't a defensive wizard, so Enry would have a lot of opportunities to ice Jimmy.

Ellis would just slash him to defeat in 6-8 rounds, I just can't see how he wouldn't. It would be closer that Patterson vs Cooper though.

[marktaha]

Who exactly are you and how can I find your books? .
Cooper - Ellis -BBBC refused to recognise as title fight rightly in my view. Cooper relinquished British title in protest . Was offered shot at Frazier in 1970.
Think Ellis would have won but not that easily. Frazier - Cooper too ghastly to contemplate!

[Ambling Alp II]

Ellis would definitely outbox sluggish Cooper, but Ellis wasn't a defensive wizard, so Enry would have a lot of opportunities to ice Jimmy.

Ellis would just slash him to defeat in 6-8 rounds, I just can't see how he wouldn't. It would be closer that Patterson vs Cooper though.

6-8 sounds right, but who knows. Ellis was a better defensive fighter than Patterson but didn't have Patterson's power.