Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

Who wins?

Poll ended at 06 Dec 2020, 11:52

Spence - Decision
39
72%
Spence - T/KO
6
11%
DRAW
3
6%
Garcia - T/KO
1
2%
Garcia - Decision
5
9%
 
Total votes: 54

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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 03 Dec 2020, 18:06 Spence should dominate this. Garcia poses no threat unlike a porter who can outwork you

Literally the only chance garcia has is spence being damaged goods but given recovery time he will be good
Yeah I keep saying the same thing. Unless Spence has more lasting damage from the car wreck than any of us has been lead to believe I can't see him losing here.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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hmm, team pbc thinks the upcoming pbc ppv fight is even money, sh!t let's buy it :yay:
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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I dont see anything Garcia does better than spence. Not timing, power, speed, etc
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 03 Dec 2020, 15:41
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 03 Dec 2020, 15:24 I just have to say.. I know no one has mentioned it, but most that have picked DSG, are probably thinking Spence is broken.

Had Spence not had an accident , it may have been more lopsided.
This is what I wrote about a subsequently postponed Garcia bout during September 2019, prior to Spence Jr’s car crash:
Enlightened-One wrote: 30 Sep 2019, 13:14 The outcome of this fight might be another split or a very close unanimous decision victory for Errol Spence Jr.

I feel that “The Truth” might not be head-and-shoulders above the rest of the welterweight division.

For sure, he’s an excellent fighter, perhaps even the best 147lb-er on the planet, but maybe he isn’t quite as good as all the praise and hype that has been lavished on him during recent years.

I feel that the top-six welterweights (Spence Jr., Crawford, Pacquiao, Thurman, Porter & Garcia) are all capable of beating each other, since the 147lbs division is highly-competitive. There are no easy fights between those guys.
So I’ve always believed that Garcia is easily capable of being extremely competitive against Spence Jr.

And if Spence Jr. isn’t quite as good as he once was prior to the crash (perhaps less than 95%), then I think Garcia scores the upset.

Everything seems to be riding on Spence Jr’s current mindset, which by his own admission, is completely different than before he suffered injuries from the car crash.

And despite whatever the betting websites say, this is a genuine 50-50 or 51-49 type of bout.
Call it. Who wins and how?
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Spence defo, the 50-50ish predictions is just pbc marketing for pbc ppv

errol is a technically good fighter too and even if he's not 100 percent physically he'll do enough
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Oddsshark as of yesterday:

According to our sports betting calculator, Spence's odds of -500 have an implied win probability of 83.33 percent, while Garcia's odds of +350 ...
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Better than 4-1
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Weigh in

Both of them looked in shape.
Spence was cut tall , Garcia full bodied.
Massive fight tomorrow night I'm looking forward to it.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Dec 2020, 18:41 Spence defo, the 50-50ish predictions is just pbc marketing for pbc ppv

errol is a technically good fighter too and even if he's not 100 percent physically he'll do enough
I argee. I don't wait the best performance from Spence, but still see him winning.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Dec 2020, 18:41 Spence defo, the 50-50ish predictions is just pbc marketing for pbc ppv

errol is a technically good fighter too and even if he's not 100 percent physically he'll do enough

Danny's been living off that surprise win against Amir Khan for years.

That was at LWW and back in 2012.

As a fan of both, I'm finding it very difficult to muster any interest for any of this. Any version of Errol Spence beats any version of Danny Garcia.

Garcia is good, but he's far from great.

After tonight the road should be clear for the belated Spence v Crawford showdown.

Crawford is now on borrowed time. Still hasn't fought anyone at 33!!
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Thomastearns wrote: 05 Dec 2020, 06:59
margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Dec 2020, 18:41 Spence defo, the 50-50ish predictions is just pbc marketing for pbc ppv

errol is a technically good fighter too and even if he's not 100 percent physically he'll do enough
Danny's been living off that surprise win against Amir Khan for years.

That was at LWW and back in 2012.

As a fan of both, I'm finding it very difficult to muster any interest for any of this. Any version of Errol Spence beats any version of Danny Garcia.

Garcia is good, but he's far from great.
You're right.. He's had many close wins, which some had said he's clearly lost, or a close loss..

The first elite name at WW he fought, he lost.. I actually favoured him over Porter.. :doh:
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Officials Announced

Referee: Thomas Taylor (California)

Judges
Tim Cheatham (Nevada)
Barry Lindenman (North Carolina)
Steve Weisfeld (New Jersey)

Angel Garcia had one request to the fight taking place in Texas. It was to not have any judges or referee from Texas..
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Purses

Spence is guaranteed $8m and could be clearing $10m if PPV sales are good.

D. Garcia is getting $5m plus ppv revenue.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 03 Dec 2020, 07:01 Press Release | Sebastian Fundora vs. Habib Ahmed, Jorge Cota Positive For COVID-19

Super welterweight sensation Sebastian "The Towering Inferno" Fundora will face former title challenger Habib Ahmed in a Super Welterweight Title Eliminator on the FOX Sports PBC Pay-Per-View event headlined by Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia this Saturday, December 5 from AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

The pay-per-view begins at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT and features all-action contenders Josesito "The Riverside Rocky" Lopez and Francisco "Chia" Santana squaring-off in a 10-round welterweight affair while featherweight contender Miguel Flores will meet Mexico's Eduardo Ramirez in a Featherweight Title Eliminator to open the pay-per-view.

Ahmed replaces Jorge Cota and Flores replaces Julio Ceja, after Cota and Ceja tested positive for COVID-19. Flores had already been preparing to face Isaac Avelar on December 5 and Ahmed had been in training as a potential replacement on this card.

Buy the pay-per-view now on www.foxsports.com/ppv and watch on any screen.

Mexico's Avelar will take on the unbeaten Sakaria Lukas in a 10-round super featherweight showdown headlining FOX Sports PBC Pay-Per-View Prelims on FS2 and FOX Deportes. Prelims begin at 7 p.m. ET/4 p.m. PT and will also feature top prospect Vito Mielnicki Jr. taking on Steven Pulluaim in a six-round welterweight bout, plus unbeaten super middleweight prospect Burley Brooks facing Marco Delgado in a six-round attraction.

Tickets for the live event, which is promoted by TGB Promotions, Man Down Promotions and DSG Promotions, are on sale now, and can be purchased at SeatGeek.com, the Official Ticketing Provider of AT&T Stadium.

Non-televised action will see Dallas-native Fernando Garcia (13-2, 8 KOs) in an eight-round featherweight fight against Brownsville, Texas' Juan Tapia (9-3, 3 KOs) and unbeaten Indianapolis native Frank Martin (11-0, 8 KOs) dueling New Jersey's Tyrone Lucky (12-12-4, 8 KOs) in an eight-round lightweight bout.

Towering at nearly six-feet six-inches, Fundora (15-0-1, 10 KOs) has used his height and length, combined with power and aggressiveness, to rack up an unbeaten record since turning pro in 2016. The 22-year-old owns two victories in 2020, beating then unbeaten Daniel Lewis by decision in February, before most recently becoming the first fighter to knock out Nathaniel Gallimore with his August triumph on FOX. Fighting out of Coachella, California, Fundora entered the ring three times in 2019, including TKO victories over then unbeaten fighters Donnie Marshall and Hector Manuel Zepeda, plus an exciting split-draw against fellow contender Jamontay Clark.

A native of Accra, Ghana, Ahmed (27-1-1, 18 KOs) steps into the ring after his August fight with Alantez Fox ended with a no-contest after three rounds. Prior to that, Ahmed scored a dominant unanimous decision over Juan De Angel in May 2019. The 29-year-old has won back-to-back fights since dropping a 2018 world title contest against Gilberto Ramirez. Ahmed was unbeaten in his first 26 pro fights since his 2011 debut, leading up to the Ramirez fight.

Lopez (37-8, 20 KOs) has long established himself as a fiery competitor and top contender in multiple weight classes and has compiled an impressive resume. He owns victories over Victor Ortiz, Miguel Cruz and Mike Dallas Jr., having given the last two the first defeat of their careers. Additionally, he has squared off against Canelo Alvarez, Andre Berto, Marcos Maidana and Jessie Vargas. In 2019 the Riverside, California native lost a majority decision to Keith Thurman, before most recently knocking out John Molina Jr. last September.

Santana (25-8-1, 12 KOs) has taken on the toughest challenges at 147 and 154 pounds and has made his name with his action style throughout a long career as a contender. Santana returns to the ring after losing to former unified champion Jarrett Hurd in January. The Santa Barbara, California native owns a victory over Olympic gold medalist Felix Diaz in April 2018 and has faced unified champion Jermell Charlo and former champion Sadam Ali, while also fighting to a six-round draw against former unified champion Julian Williams in 2011.

The 28-year-old Flores (24-3, 12 KOs) will return to action for the first time since dropping a decision to four-division champion Leo Santa Cruz in their 130-pound title fight last November. Born in Michoacan de Ocampo, Mexico and fighting out of Houston, Texas, Flores scored stoppage wins over Luis May and Raul Chirino heading into that title fight. A pro since 2009, Flores won his first 22 pro fights.

Fighting out of Sinaloa, Mexico, Ramirez (23-2-3, 10 KOs) has risen up the featherweight rankings with wins in three of his last four fights since losing to then 126-pound champion Lee Selby in 2017. The 27-year-old Ramirez most recently gave Leduan Barthelemy his first career loss via a fourth-round stoppage in their rematch last November, following up on their split-draw the first time they faced off. Overall, Ramirez has won 14 of his last 17 outings.

The 23-year-old Avelar (16-2, 10 KOs) lost a narrow split decision to Miguel Tique in December after being stopped by unbeaten top super bantamweight Stephen Fulton in August 2019. The Auguascalientes, Mexico native was unbeaten in his first 16 pro fights, including a 2019 triumph over Juan Antonio Lopez in his U.S. debut. He will be opposed by the undefeated Lucas (23-0, 16 KOs), who will make his U.S. debut on December 5 after victories in 2019 over Raston Kayira and Ndodana Ncube.

A Roseland, New Jersey native Mielnicki (6-0, 4 KOs) steps into the ring under the guidance of renowned coach Joe Goossen for the first time on December 5 as he looks to continue to show the skillset of a future champion. The 18-year-old Mielnicki has scored three victories in 2020, including most recently stopping Chris Rollins in August. He will take on the 30-year-old Pulluaim (5-2, 1 KO) who defeated Emeka Ifekandu in his last fight in October 2019. The Riverside, Missouri native Pulluaim has fought professionally since 2018.

The 24-year-old Brooks (6-0, 5 KOs) trains alongside Errol Spence Jr. and under the guidance of top trainer Derrick James. A Dallas native, Brooks made his 2020 debut in February, scoring a first round stoppage of Melvin Russell. He will face Anaheim, California's Delgado (6-1, 5 KOs), a 29-year-old who has fought professionally since 2016 and who most recently stopped Joseph Ward in October 2019.

A year ago I sparred Habib Ahmed a few times. Man I hope he can get this Win. Can’t wait!
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Garcia is solid but to beat a fighter at spences level you have to do something really well

Porter pressures and has conditioning at a very high level and hes strong. Thats how he troubled spence

Garcia doesnt do any of that. He has slow feet, not much of a jab, and is a good but not great puncher. He is going to try and time spence but i think his singular shots wont bother Spence and spence will outhustle him from the outside
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 05 Dec 2020, 10:46 Garcia doesnt do any of that. He has slow feet, not much of a jab, and is a good but not great puncher. He is going to try and time spence but i think his singular shots wont bother Spence and spence will outhustle him from the outside
This is he he hasn't beaten any of the top welterweights he's fought or even knocked them down.

He's gonna look for that blind hook tonight.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 05 Dec 2020, 11:01
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 05 Dec 2020, 10:46 Garcia doesnt do any of that. He has slow feet, not much of a jab, and is a good but not great puncher. He is going to try and time spence but i think his singular shots wont bother Spence and spence will outhustle him from the outside
This is he he hasn't beaten any of the top welterweights he's fought or even knocked them down.

He's gonna look for that blind hook tonight.
Very good analysis. Danny Garcia’s only real chance is a knockout or enough knockdowns to swing the cards. He’s not a busy fighter and is known to give up rounds. Spence will win on punch rate the majority of the rounds.

Of course this whole fight is a big question mark. Spence’s motor vehicle accident is giving tonight some mystique. Is he still Errol or not?

Tonight, we find out.

It’s fight night, boys. :box:
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Spence by any decision -125 at FoxBet is a great bet.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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I dont follow bet markets like i used to. Has the spence by decision line tightened the last week?
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Weird to me that the line for Spence by any DEC is down to -125. I feel like most boxing heads concur that is the predicted result.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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Makes me wonder if smart insider money knows spence is spent...
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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I think Spence wins in a close fight maybe a MD or close UD. If Spence is affected by the crash then Garcia UD.
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Re: Errol Spence Jr. vs. Danny Garcia - December 5, 2020

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leftrightleft wrote: 05 Dec 2020, 20:24 I think Spence wins in a close fight maybe a MD or close UD. If Spence is affected by the crash then Garcia UD.
He probably is affected. Still I pick him to win. If he wouldn't have been affected, I'd pick him to win quite dominant.
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