Syntax Error wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 11:03
I think it is legitimate to criticise a fighter for quitting at the time of the event, when we are not privvy to the actual reason.
If it subsequently turns out that a quitting fighter had a legitimate reason, then the criticism should rightly cease.
In hindsight, Daniel Dubois was perfectly justified in quitting, whereas, someone like Roberto Duran versus Leonard 2 should rightly be criticised because there was nothing wrong with him, he just threw his dummy out of the cot because Leonard wouldn't dance to his tune the second time around.
People are allowed to criticise whatever they want.
People are allowed to disagree.
The so-called “legitimacy” of quitting is subjective in nature, in the eye of the beholder, which means everyone is entitled to criticise or complain about something that others disagree with.
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 04:28
increasingly I am leaning towards supporting a ban on professional boxing and professional MMA. People shouldn't be fighting for pay in 2020 for the entertainment of others and gambling reasons.
Really? That seems an odd opinion for someone on a boxing forum to hold. Of course boxing is dangerous and can be brutal, I don't think it should be banned though. No one forces anyone to turn pro and if there was no money in the sport then the desire wouldn't be there for many to succeed. Like most things, when banned it just drives it underground where safety standards are far poorer.
Controversial wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 13:02
underground where safety standards are far poorer.
you mean for example in an 'underground boxing' scenario, a fighter could get his eye injured so badly he could be on the point of being blinded, and neither the referee, the doctor nor his corner would do anything about it, and the fighter would be forced to pull himself out by taking a knee, as nobody else was going to save him?
That sounds like a dystopian sporting nightmare.
Thank god professional boxing wouldn't stand for such a spectacle, with its high safety standards and all, and protection of the fighter being paramount.
Controversial wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 13:02
underground where safety standards are far poorer.
you mean for example in an 'underground boxing' scenario, a fighter could get his eye injured so badly he could be on the point of being blinded, and neither the referee, the doctor nor his corner would do anything about it, and the fighter would be forced to pull himself out by taking a knee, as nobody else was going to save him?
That sounds like a dystopian sporting nightmare.
Thank god professional boxing wouldn't stand for such a spectacle, with its high safety standards and all, and protection of the fighter being paramount.
I'm not sure what your point is. No one said boxing is perfect, all above board or 100% safe, what combat or contact sport is but still safer than not having any medics around at all or having no drug testing whatsoever.
my point is that you lauded the standards of safety in professional boxing, when over the weekend three different professionals within the sport, entrusted with a fighter's safety, watched him nearly get punched blind and did nothing about it. so the 'professional boxing is safe' argument seems ironic. if the dude hadn't 'quit', he'd probably be half-blind today
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 13:24
my point is that you lauded the standards of safety in professional boxing, when over the weekend three different professionals within the sport, entrusted with a fighter's safety, watched him nearly get punched blind and did nothing about it. so the 'professional boxing is safe' argument seems ironic. if the dude hadn't 'quit', he'd probably be half-blind today
I wasn't lauding the standards of pro boxing safety but in comparison to unlicensed boxing its much safer. Or do you not think there is a difference?
You can do this with anything. There are corrupt police officers, but that doesn't demonstrate that we should revert to wild west vigilantism. There is corruption and ineptitude in every system or endeavor you can bring up. It's still better to at least try to have rules and standards.
Syntax Error wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 11:03
I think it is legitimate to criticise a fighter for quitting at the time of the event, when we are not privvy to the actual reason.
If it subsequently turns out that a quitting fighter had a legitimate reason, then the criticism should rightly cease.
In hindsight, Daniel Dubois was perfectly justified in quitting, whereas, someone like Roberto Duran versus Leonard 2 should rightly be criticised because there was nothing wrong with him, he just threw his dummy out of the cot because Leonard wouldn't dance to his tune the second time around.
So, you should trash a guy like crazy and potentially ruin his career and when you find out what he did was OK, you just stop defaming his character and walk away, damage already done. No remorse.
Suppose someone made a false complaint against you at your job and you got fired. They later found out that you were in the right but just walked away and did nothing. Would that be OK ?
Syntax Error wrote: ↑02 Dec 2020, 11:03
I think it is legitimate to criticise a fighter for quitting at the time of the event, when we are not privvy to the actual reason.
If it subsequently turns out that a quitting fighter had a legitimate reason, then the criticism should rightly cease.
In hindsight, Daniel Dubois was perfectly justified in quitting, whereas, someone like Roberto Duran versus Leonard 2 should rightly be criticised because there was nothing wrong with him, he just threw his dummy out of the cot because Leonard wouldn't dance to his tune the second time around.
So, you should trash a guy like crazy and potentially ruin his career and when you find out what he did was OK, you just stop defaming his character and walk away, damage already done. No remorse.
Suppose someone made a false complaint against you at your job and you got fired. They later found out that you were in the right but just walked away and did nothing. Would that be OK ?
I think you may be slightly overestimating the power that fans hold by a factor of about a million. Trust me, not one single promoter on planet earth is concerned that people on a message board don’t think Daniel Dubois is a hard man. If Dubois wants to fight again, he will and people watch.
