Williams-v-Skelton II - repeat or revenge?

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 04 Jul 2006, 11:21

Revenge, or reschmenge???

states · Post by **states** » 04 Jul 2006, 18:32

Revenge or Refund, more like. At least that's what I'd be asking for.

Anyone else think Danny is the 21st century Tyson? 'If he could just come in lighter/mentally prepared/blah blah blah'.

He's fat, it just ain't happening.

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 04 Jul 2006, 18:55

ILikeBeer wrote: You have a point there. What with Danny being touted as getting a shot at *sigh* the heavyweight title, there is no way they'll let him lose on points.

I dunno about that , I think Warren would love to get a triology out of this .
After all can he really secure Danny a shot at Valuev without having to pay what he'd normally pay to face world champions , because I think Warren doesn't believe Danny is worth the money being put forward that was for guys like Calzaghe and Hatton to face champions and he'd be right .

Here's how I see this going .
Skelton wins we got another fight between the two .
Danny wins and he'll get a shot at the European title(which he should have taken already) and be promised if he wins that he'll get a world title shot .
Should Danny then actually win the European title Warren probably would get him his title shot .

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 04 Jul 2006, 19:12

states wrote:Revenge or Refund, more like. At least that's what I'd be asking for.

Anyone else think Danny is the 21st century Tyson? 'If he could just come in lighter/mentally prepared/blah blah blah'.

He's fat, it just ain't happening.

Good point on him being the 21st Century Tyson. Although it appears, Tyson had a better "trainability" (think I've just made up a word) than Danny.

Even, when the desire was gone - Tyson did get himself in decent fighting shape more often than he didn't. His weight vs Etteine was encouraging. Danny hasn't given us fans something to cling onto for years now.

E · Post by E » 04 Jul 2006, 19:13

states wrote:Revenge or Refund, more like. At least that's what I'd be asking for.

Anyone else think Danny is the 21st century Tyson? 'If he could just come in lighter/mentally prepared/blah blah blah'.

He's fat, it just ain't happening.

What rubbish....... Danny is training in an oxygen tank for this one!

HairyBoxe24 · Post by **HairyBoxe24** » 04 Jul 2006, 23:28

Think Danny will win this,and easier then he did last time maybe a late stoppage.If danny knows whats good for him he will come in under 260.
Skeltons way to predictable and his confidence must be down a bit after losin the first fight.

Cant understand the people who say they're not intrested about this fight,heavyweight is far more intresting to watch then anyother weight and these two make a good fight.

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 05 Jul 2006, 01:43

HairyBoxe24 wrote:
Cant understand the people who say they're not intrested about this fight,heavyweight is far more intresting to watch then anyother weight

Do you know anything about boxing?

surgeklick · Post by **surgeklick** » 05 Jul 2006, 05:06

E wrote:Danny is training in an oxygen tank for this one!

You don't see that as some kind of gimmicky shortcut to fitness, which is doomed for failure?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Jul 2006, 05:15

I dont see how you can even compare Tyson and Williams. One is the youngest ever heavyweight champion who once tore through the division and won numerous world titles and an undisputed title, the other is a domestic level heavyweight who has eaten his way through the best years of his career.

No comparison.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jul 2006, 07:25

HairyBoxe24 wrote:Think Danny will win this,and easier then he did last time maybe a late stoppage.If danny knows whats good for him he will come in under 260.
Skeltons way to predictable and his confidence must be down a bit after losin the first fight.

Cant understand the people who say they're not intrested about this fight,heavyweight is far more intresting to watch then anyother weight and these two make a good fight.

Heavyweight is the most interesting to watch? What better than featherweight, lightweight, welterweight, etc?

Historically, the heavyweight division, whilst generating the most interest, has produced far less exciting fights than the divisions between middleweight and featherweight.

This however, whilst not a classic, is an interesting and fairly blood and guts domestic clash.

My thinking is that if Danny can come in something like proper shape he knocks Matt out.

TheGoods · Post by **TheGoods** » 05 Jul 2006, 07:37

Anyone know who will be in charge of this fight? I agree that the referee will be crucial. Also agree that so much depends on what Williams' scales in at. I spoke to him before the Audley Harrison fight and he was saying he had never had a better camp etc. Turns out Jimmy Mac hadn't even been training him! Suffice to say, don't believe the hype.

HairyBoxe24 · Post by **HairyBoxe24** » 05 Jul 2006, 08:14

ILikeBeer wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote:
Cant understand the people who say they're not intrested about this fight,heavyweight is far more intresting to watch then anyother weight
Do you know anything about boxing?

How can my opinion of heavyweight bein the best weight be wrong?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 05 Jul 2006, 09:04

Danny Williams has been getting help with his punching power from non other than Earnie Shavers according to Secondsout.com

Heavyweight Danny Williams raised eyebrows two weeks ago with the revelation that he'd spent two months training and actually sleeping in a CAT low oxygen tent, designed to replicate the high-altitudes associated with improving cardiovascular performance. Proclaiming that he'd brought boxing training into the 21st century Williams's trainer Jim McDonnell told SecondsOut that it was now 'impossible' for his Commonwealth Champion to tire.

Matt Skelton, whom Williams rematches with this Saturday, shrugged his shoulders upon hearing about Williams's o2 tents and scientific supplements. The former British Champion told his local paper: "If he has to go to those lengths he obviously doesn't have confidence (in himself)."

But now, with the Cardiff collision just days away, Team Williams have warned Skelton that they've not based their entire training camp on gadgetry, but have also incorporated tried and tested techniques first employed by two legendary power-punchers, to improve Danny's hitting power.

"We've got hi-tec in this camp but at the same time we've also gone 'old school," Williams told SecondsOut. "Last year I met Ernie Shavers and we've become friends and he's given me some wicked tips on improving my punch power. I've added everything he's advised me on to my training programme. One of the things I did what Ernie swore by was getting a huge truck tyre and hitting it over and over for half an hour or more with a sledge-hammer.

"Everyone knows Oscar De La Hoya chops trees to improve his punching power and hitting the tyre is exactly the same thing. I bought a tyre for my garden and just used it to work out. It most definitely works, because by the time I started camp Jimmy said 'Dan, you are hitting harder, what have you been doing?'."

Williams met former world heavyweight title challenger Shavers - almost universally considered the hardest hitting fighter to ever lace the gloves - in Birmingham at an autograph signing expo. American born Shavers, now 60, has resided in Liverpool for the last several years after marrying a native. He is a regular on the UK after-dinner circuit, where he is always introduced as the man who not only Muhammad Ali but also Larry Holmes said was most destructive puncher they'd ever encountered.

Shavers could always whack. When he first walked into a gym on January 3, 1967 in Youngstown, Ohio, the head trainer (former Olympic coach Pedro Tomez) was so excited by the 22-year-old's power that he pitched Shavers in an amateur bout just a fortnight later. Shavers won by a first round KO and a fearsome rep for punching began.

But Shavers said it took another legendary power-puncher to truly turn his fists into weapons of mass destruction.

"Archie Moore showed all his old tricks to me when he trained me," Shavers began. "He got me chopping trees to improve my explosive power in my legs, back, shoulders and arms which are all places where punching power comes from. And when we trained where there were no trees to chop he brought in huge truck tyres and got me hitting them with a sledge-hammer over and over.

"I chopped trees or hit the tyres before every single fight. Archie was the hardest hitting light heavyweight who ever lived and so he knew exactly what he was talking about."

Indeed, the 'Old Mongoose' Moore, the great light heavyweight champion of the 1950s, set a record of 141 knockouts which will stand forever. He was as great an innovator in the gym as he was in the ring.

"Archie invented a way of measuring my punch power," Shavers said. "He (modified) some weight measuring device and put it on a punch bag and he used it to measure my punches. I can't remember exactly what (figures) he told me but I know he told me that after six weeks of hitting the tyre with the sledgehammer I was hitting just under 25% harder with my right hand."

And looking ahead to seeing his friend Williams fight this weekend, Shavers believes the Briton's right cross will be the shot doing all the damage in Cardiff.

Shavers said: "Danny's one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He's so well-spoken and polite I couldn't believe he was a fighter! But after I met him we exchanged DVDs and videos (of each other's fights) and I think he can go all the way and win the (heavyweight world) title."

A two-time world heavyweight title challenger - but one unlucky enough to have Ali and Holmes as contemporaries - Shavers believes there is currently no-one in the division who can stop Williams (at least, not with Vitali Klitschko, who stopped Danny in December 2004, now retired) from achieving his ambition.

"I was very impressed with Danny's fight with Skelton, " the man once known as 'the Black Destroyer' said. "I thought he won that fight (which took place in February and Williams won on a close decision) could have even won by KO in the last round. Skelton was hurt badly.

"It wasn't a pretty fight with the (rough tactics). But this time Danny needs to set Skelton up more in this second fight. He should throw his punches at less than full power for a while like I used to. Don't load up at all in the first few rounds, just throw the shots and ease into things. Let Skelton think about other things rather than power-punches and then - WHACK! - hit him with the big right hand.

"If Danny sets Skelton up in the first three rounds with his jab and then goes in with the power after three rounds he can knock Skelton out in five, sixth rounds. I hope he takes his time, doesn't get too excited at the start, because he can stop this guy and really send a message to the (division)."

"That," Williams said when I relayed the message, "is exactly what I will do. Only Skelton will be gone in four rounds, not five."

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:29

HairyBoxe24 wrote:
ILikeBeer wrote:
HairyBoxe24 wrote:
Cant understand the people who say they're not intrested about this fight,heavyweight is far more intresting to watch then anyother weight
Do you know anything about boxing?
How can my opinion of heavyweight bein the best weight be wrong?

Because the heavyweight division has ALWAYS sucked. Even in Ali's time, there was greater strength in depth in the lower weight divisions.

The heavyweight division these days if full of big ponderous lumps with shite technique and questionable will to fight. Most of them now are guys who couldn't cut the mustard at basketball or american football in the states, whilst over here, I don't know what the problem is, but heavyweight talent in thin on the ground and has been for some time.

HairyBoxe24 · Post by **HairyBoxe24** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:34

Because the heavyweight division has ALWAYS sucked. Even in Ali's time, there was greater strength in depth in the lower weight divisions.

The heavyweight division these days if full of big ponderous lumps with shite technique and questionable will to fight. Most of them now are guys who couldn't cut the mustard at basketball or american football in the states, whilst over here, I don't know what the problem is, but heavyweight talent in thin on the ground and has been for some time.[/quote]

Im not sayin theres more quailty in heavyweight,all i was sayin is i like watching heavyweights fight.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:44

Shock horror Danny Williams is better than ever in the gym. God knows why they bother with all this rubbish every time he fights! ;)

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 05 Jul 2006, 11:06

nickd wrote:Shock horror Danny Williams is better than ever in the gym. God knows why they bother with all this rubbish every time he fights! ;)

Jim McDonnell: Wow Daan is jutht phenomenaw in sparring he could knockawt a horse after wrestlin bears in his oxigen tank!

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 05 Jul 2006, 11:20

nickd wrote:Shock horror Danny Williams is better than ever in the gym. God knows why they bother with all this rubbish every time he fights! ;)

It's a marketing thing to get people to buy tickets, and watch the fights. The same way Danny kept saying; "I wasn't at my best tonight" when he had put in another pathetic performance. Goodness knows why they expect people to believe it though.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 05 Jul 2006, 11:29

ILikeBeer wrote:
nickd wrote:Shock horror Danny Williams is better than ever in the gym. God knows why they bother with all this rubbish every time he fights! ;)
It's a marketing thing to get people to buy tickets, and watch the fights. The same way Danny kept saying; "I wasn't at my best tonight" when he had put in another pathetic performance. Goodness knows why they expect people to believe it though.

Do they really believe it themselves? Makes me wonder. Williams is a big fat letdown no more no less!

ILikeBeer · Post by **ILikeBeer** » 05 Jul 2006, 11:33

nickd wrote:
ILikeBeer wrote:
nickd wrote:Shock horror Danny Williams is better than ever in the gym. God knows why they bother with all this rubbish every time he fights! ;)
It's a marketing thing to get people to buy tickets, and watch the fights. The same way Danny kept saying; "I wasn't at my best tonight" when he had put in another pathetic performance. Goodness knows why they expect people to believe it though.
Do they really believe it themselves? Makes me wonder. Williams is a big fat letdown no more no less!

I have never rated Williams. I give him a slight bit more respect then I used to, I legitimately gave him no chance of beating Sprott in their second fight. I think he is as good as we have got domestically. Which is unfortunate, because he is useless. I don't like him much either, as he seems to think he is Muhammad Ali. I hope Skelton knocks him out.

Rant over.

jonny · Post by **jonny** » 05 Jul 2006, 11:45

TheGoods wrote:Anyone know who will be in charge of this fight? I agree that the referee will be crucial. Also agree that so much depends on what Williams' scales in at. I spoke to him before the Audley Harrison fight and he was saying he had never had a better camp etc. Turns out Jimmy Mac hadn't even been training him! Suffice to say, don't believe the hype.

Howard Foster is the ref according to the Daily Mirror.

punchers chance · Post by **punchers chance** » 06 Jul 2006, 05:18

I think this choice of referee favours Williams.
I can see Skelton losing one point at least during this fight which could be important if it’s as close as last time

As for Williams condition – the weigh in will be informative.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 06 Jul 2006, 05:22

True.

I wonder how much all of Williams' new red blood cells weigh?

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Jul 2006, 06:07

I'd say they weigh as much as train full of kipling cakes.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 06 Jul 2006, 07:51

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/default.stm

Video interview there with Danny inside the tent.