Asking for sources

[dfairgrieve98]

Hi everyone, I'm doing my university dissertation on the treatment of black boxers in early 20th century America, at a time of heightened white supremacy, embodied by segregation and the Ku Klux Klan. I'm aware of the horrible racist abuse they received on a regular basis compared to white fighters. I'm mainly looking at Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and Joe Louis and comparing how they were treated to their white counterparts, such as Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel and Jack Dempsey. I'm aware of the fact that Jack Johnson received particularly hostile abuse by many in the American media and amongst contemporary boxing fans, as he threatened the prevalent white supremacy myth of the time, by repeatedly beating white fighters.
On the other hand, I know that Sam Langford was not treated as badly as Johnson, as he never challenged for a world title against a white fighter, therefore never challenged the white supremacy myth.
I've also noticed in my research so far, that although Joe Louis received racial abuse himself, he was reluctantly accepted as an American hero when fighting outsiders like Max Schmeling in 1936 and 1938, as he was not threatening a white American champion, but a controversial opponent, in the form of Hitler's favourite championship boxer, thus making a black champion more palatable for a very racially charged America.
What I want to do is to compare the experiences of these fighters, the abuse/praise they received in newspapers and the limited video footage that we have available and how this changed over time. I wanted to ask whether anyone knew of any good databases, newspaper sources, or archive video footage that may be useful for me?
Any help you can offer is much appreciated.
Cheers

[Tuan_Jim]

Jesus, are all university theses about race now?

[DrDuke]

Is it the Vitali spammer learned more subtle ways of trolling or what?

[Tuan_Jim]

Is it the Vitali spammer learned more subtle ways of trolling or what?

Oh no, this is the most annoying one yet!!

[oogiebe]

ANother "woke" alert.

[Tuan_Jim]

Where do all these "woke" university courses lead to? The Starbucks counter? How do they pay off the colossal srudent debt?

[oogiebe]

Where do all these "woke" university courses lead to? The Starbucks counter? How do they pay off the colossal srudent debt?

Oh haven't you heard? THe government will pay for it.

[Tuan_Jim]

Where do all these "woke" university courses lead to? The Starbucks counter? How do they pay off the colossal srudent debt?

Oh haven't you heard? THe government will pay for it.

Ah, so in other words the tax payer!

[oogiebe]

Where do all these "woke" university courses lead to? The Starbucks counter? How do they pay off the colossal srudent debt?

Oh haven't you heard? THe government will pay for it.

Ah, so in other words the tax payer!

Bingo!

[dagosd2000]

I think this guy, making his first post,is sorry he asked the question.Talk about a tough thread

[bwu]

Hi everyone, I'm doing my university dissertation on the treatment of black boxers in early 20th century America, at a time of heightened white supremacy, embodied by segregation and the Ku Klux Klan. I'm aware of the horrible racist abuse they received on a regular basis compared to white fighters. I'm mainly looking at Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and Joe Louis and comparing how they were treated to their white counterparts, such as Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel and Jack Dempsey. I'm aware of the fact that Jack Johnson received particularly hostile abuse by many in the American media and amongst contemporary boxing fans, as he threatened the prevalent white supremacy myth of the time, by repeatedly beating white fighters.
On the other hand, I know that Sam Langford was not treated as badly as Johnson, as he never challenged for a world title against a white fighter, therefore never challenged the white supremacy myth.
I've also noticed in my research so far, that although Joe Louis received racial abuse himself, he was reluctantly accepted as an American hero when fighting outsiders like Max Schmeling in 1936 and 1938, as he was not threatening a white American champion, but a controversial opponent, in the form of Hitler's favourite championship boxer, thus making a black champion more palatable for a very racially charged America.
What I want to do is to compare the experiences of these fighters, the abuse/praise they received in newspapers and the limited video footage that we have available and how this changed over time. I wanted to ask whether anyone knew of any good databases, newspaper sources, or archive video footage that may be useful for me?
Any help you can offer is much appreciated.
Cheers

There might be some good links on the old cyberboxing zone.com website.

[JC]

Hi everyone, I'm doing my university dissertation on the treatment of black boxers in early 20th century America, at a time of heightened white supremacy, embodied by segregation and the Ku Klux Klan. I'm aware of the horrible racist abuse they received on a regular basis compared to white fighters. I'm mainly looking at Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and Joe Louis and comparing how they were treated to their white counterparts, such as Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel and Jack Dempsey. I'm aware of the fact that Jack Johnson received particularly hostile abuse by many in the American media and amongst contemporary boxing fans, as he threatened the prevalent white supremacy myth of the time, by repeatedly beating white fighters.
On the other hand, I know that Sam Langford was not treated as badly as Johnson, as he never challenged for a world title against a white fighter, therefore never challenged the white supremacy myth.
I've also noticed in my research so far, that although Joe Louis received racial abuse himself, he was reluctantly accepted as an American hero when fighting outsiders like Max Schmeling in 1936 and 1938, as he was not threatening a white American champion, but a controversial opponent, in the form of Hitler's favourite championship boxer, thus making a black champion more palatable for a very racially charged America.
What I want to do is to compare the experiences of these fighters, the abuse/praise they received in newspapers and the limited video footage that we have available and how this changed over time. I wanted to ask whether anyone knew of any good databases, newspaper sources, or archive video footage that may be useful for me?
Any help you can offer is much appreciated.
Cheers

There is a book A Tiger Rose Out of Georgia on the fighter Tiger Flowers written by the brilliant boxing journalist Bob Mee.

I haven't read it myself yet, but from an interview I heard with him at the time of publication I believe it focuses quite a lot on the affect of the racism on Flowers's life and career.

I'm sure Bob's research will have been excellent, so if it has a bibliography that might also point you in the direction of other useful sources.

[dfairgrieve98]

Thanks J-C, much appreciated

[Tuan_Jim]

Thanks J-C, much appreciated

Make me a latte!

[tiny_acres]

Hi everyone, I'm doing my university dissertation on the treatment of black boxers in early 20th century America, at a time of heightened white supremacy, embodied by segregation and the Ku Klux Klan. I'm aware of the horrible racist abuse they received on a regular basis compared to white fighters. I'm mainly looking at Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and Joe Louis and comparing how they were treated to their white counterparts, such as Jim Jeffries, Stanley Ketchel and Jack Dempsey. I'm aware of the fact that Jack Johnson received particularly hostile abuse by many in the American media and amongst contemporary boxing fans, as he threatened the prevalent white supremacy myth of the time, by repeatedly beating white fighters.
On the other hand, I know that Sam Langford was not treated as badly as Johnson, as he never challenged for a world title against a white fighter, therefore never challenged the white supremacy myth.
I've also noticed in my research so far, that although Joe Louis received racial abuse himself, he was reluctantly accepted as an American hero when fighting outsiders like Max Schmeling in 1936 and 1938, as he was not threatening a white American champion, but a controversial opponent, in the form of Hitler's favourite championship boxer, thus making a black champion more palatable for a very racially charged America.
What I want to do is to compare the experiences of these fighters, the abuse/praise they received in newspapers and the limited video footage that we have available and how this changed over time. I wanted to ask whether anyone knew of any good databases, newspaper sources, or archive video footage that may be useful for me?
Any help you can offer is much appreciated.
Cheers

When this is done I would be very interested in reading your research.
Good luck