Danny Garcia was always an overrated, average fighter

[Stanny Onis]

All he has that's very good is a chin!. Everything else. ( power, skills, etc) is straight average, and he's quite slow. He had numerous fights earlier in his career where he could have/should have lost to C/D level fighters ( Herrera, Theophane,Peterson). Hes just a granite chinned gatekeeper for the top welterweights now imo.

Hes been overrated and a bigger name than he should have been cause of the Welterweight division being Americas glamour division. The likes of Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman are just average fighters who have been overrated by the yanks, the same yanks always try and discredit Cruiserweight beasts like Breidis and Gassiev who are far better fighters.

[gilgamesh]

I'd say he's a bit of an overachiever, but I don't consider him overrated.

[Enlightened-One]

Danny Garcia is a solid performer that was much better suited campaigning at 140lbs rather than 147lbs.

[gilgamesh]

Danny Garcia is a solid performer that was much better suited campaigning at 140lbs rather than 147lbs.

He's probably made more money at 147 though, and that's really what it's all about.

[DrDuke]

He's not average, he's good, as he has competetive fights with the elite. He just conquered a couple of ageing stars and got extra attention. So, maybe he's overrated, but not average.

[Enlightened-One]

Here’s a summary of Danny Garcia’s resume...

You guys might not like him, but it seems weird to me that fighters like GGG and Luis Ortiz are admired, even though the calibre of opposition they’ve faced is relatively dire in comparison to Garcia’s...

Fourteen of Danny Garcia’s bouts were against current/former world champions, which includes the likes of: Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, Erik Morales (twice), Amir Khan, Zab Judah, Lucas Martin Matthysse, Lamont Peterson, Paul Malignaggi, Robert Guerrero, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios, Shawn Porter and Errol Spence Jr.

He’s also a two-weight world champion that has contested ten world title bouts (four at 147lbs [IBF & WBC], with the remainder at 140lbs [WBA & WBC]).

Danny previously held The RING and lineal championships at 140lbs for three years (2012 to 2014/5).

Garcia is also currently ranked in seventh in the welterweight division by The RING and sixth by ESPN.

He also had an amateur record of 107 wins, 13 losses.

“Overrated” and “average” fighters don’t have resumes like that!

And just because he’s not a pound-for-pounder, it doesn’t mean he’s garbage or ordinary.

[gilgamesh]

Here’s a summary of Danny Garcia’s resume...

You guys might not like him, but it seems weird to me that fighters like GGG and Luis Ortiz are admired, even though the calibre of opposition they’ve faced is relatively dire in comparison to Garcia’s...

Fourteen of Danny Garcia’s bouts were against current/former world champions, which includes the likes of: Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, Erik Morales (twice), Amir Khan, Zab Judah, Lucas Martin Matthysse, Lamont Peterson, Paul Malignaggi, Robert Guerrero, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios, Shawn Porter and Errol Spence Jr.

He’s also a two-weight world champion that has contested ten world title bouts (four at 147lbs [WBC], with the remainder at 140lbs [WBA & WBC]).

Danny previously held The RING and lineal championships at 140lbs for three years (2012 to 2014/5).

Garcia is also currently ranked in seventh in the welterweight division by The RING and sixth by ESPN.

He also had an amateur record of 107 wins, 13 losses.

“Overrated” and “average” fighters don’t have resumes like that!

And just because he’s not a pound-for-pounder, it doesn’t mean he’s garbage or ordinary.

I think we can drop this "Current or Former World Champions" sh*t in the era when everybody gets a belt.

Hall of Famers or Future Hall of Famers they fought I get, Champions...let's face it. It's an extremely watered down concept in Boxing.

[Enlightened-One]

Here’s a summary of Danny Garcia’s resume...

You guys might not like him, but it seems weird to me that fighters like GGG and Luis Ortiz are admired, even though the calibre of opposition they’ve faced is relatively dire in comparison to Garcia’s...

Fourteen of Danny Garcia’s bouts were against current/former world champions, which includes the likes of: Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, Erik Morales (twice), Amir Khan, Zab Judah, Lucas Martin Matthysse, Lamont Peterson, Paul Malignaggi, Robert Guerrero, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios, Shawn Porter and Errol Spence Jr.

He’s also a two-weight world champion that has contested ten world title bouts (four at 147lbs [WBC], with the remainder at 140lbs [WBA & WBC]).

Danny previously held The RING and lineal championships at 140lbs for three years (2012 to 2014/5).

Garcia is also currently ranked in seventh in the welterweight division by The RING and sixth by ESPN.

He also had an amateur record of 107 wins, 13 losses.

“Overrated” and “average” fighters don’t have resumes like that!

And just because he’s not a pound-for-pounder, it doesn’t mean he’s garbage or ordinary.

I think we can drop this "Current or Former World Champions" sh*t in the era when everybody gets a belt.

Hall of Famers or Future Hall of Famers they fought I get, Champions...let's face it. It's an extremely watered down concept in Boxing.

And yet fighters like Artur Beterbiev, Luis Ortiz and GGG have faced very few world champions, but they’re respected.

How does that work?

What does Terence Crawford’s welterweight resume read like?

I think you’re diminishing Garcia’s accomplishments, simply because he’s not one of your favourite fighters.

[oogiebe]

All he has that's very good is a chin!. Everything else. ( power, skills, etc) is straight average, and he's quite slow. He had numerous fights earlier in his career where he could have/should have lost to C/D level fighters ( Herrera, Theophane,Peterson). Hes just a granite chinned gatekeeper for the top welterweights now imo.

Hes been overrated and a bigger name than he should have been cause of the Welterweight division being Americas glamour division. The likes of Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman are just average fighters who have been overrated by the yanks, the same yanks always try and discredit Cruiserweight beasts like Breidis and Gassiev who are far better fighters.

LMFAO! Show us who discredits Breidis or Gassiev? Who overrates American fighters? Or are you just hating. Hmm...I think you're just a hater.

Besides, Garcia isn't overrated. He's a solid fighter who is below the elite level. More than average but less than stellar.

[Enlightened-One]

Fourteen of Danny Garcia’s bouts were against current/former world champions, which includes the likes of: Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, Erik Morales (twice), Amir Khan, Zab Judah, Lucas Martin Matthysse, Lamont Peterson, Paul Malignaggi, Robert Guerrero, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios, Shawn Porter and Errol Spence Jr.

He’s also a two-weight world champion that has contested ten world title bouts (four at 147lbs [IBF & WBC], with the remainder at 140lbs [WBA & WBC]).

Danny previously held The RING and lineal championships at 140lbs for three years (2012 to 2014/5).

Garcia is also currently ranked in seventh in the welterweight division by The RING and sixth by ESPN.

He also had an amateur record of 107 wins, 13 losses.

“Overrated” and “average” fighters don’t have resumes like that!

[margaret thatcher]

was it garcia or judah who people said should be in the hall of fame

[margaret thatcher]

and garcia defo not overrated because people never really ever got on a bandwagon for him or rated him all that high in the first place despite a strong resume

he got that nice win over lucas when so many thought he'd get killed, but problem then is his next fight was the controversial one vs herrera, so his momentum never really got going to be all that rated

[DrDuke]

And yet fighters like Artur Beterbiev, Luis Ortiz and GGG have faced very few world champions, but they’re respected.

How does that work?

What does Terence Crawford’s welterweight resume read like?

I think you’re diminishing Garcia’s accomplishments, simply because he’s not one of your favourite fighters.

Ortiz doesn't look much respected. Beterbiev didn't look respected before the Gvozdyk win. GGG was a king of a weak era, nothing he could do.

[Enlightened-One]

was it garcia or judah who people said should be in the hall of fame

I don’t know, but Zab Judah’s resume is very impressive, to the point he may have been underrated.

Here’s a summary of Judah’s resume:

Zab Judah was the first fighter to ever defeat Lucas Matthysse, which was at a time when the forum considered the Argentine a big deal. The American beat several other world champions too.

Can you name any currently active fighter not named Manny Pacquiao that has the following credentials?

19 world title bouts, fought 15 world champions, a world champion at 140lbs, a three-time world champion at 147lbs, a RING Magazine champion, a top-ten pound-for-pounder, an unified champion at welterweight and the list of accomplishments goes on-and-on.

If the above facts shouldn’t be considered as being a “huge deal”, then surely a resume like Judah’s should be commonplace.

[margaret thatcher]

zab was a good fighter no doubt, some nice wins. though a loser of his biggest fights vs cotto, tszyu, floyd. the khan unification fight was pretty weak stuff too. i'd say he ffits very good but not hof standard personally

11-8 in title fights
6-9 vs world champs

similar to his rival and fellow undisputed champ cory spinks, i wonder if cory will get in

[Onetimeonly]

Garcia will get in. Though the tougher standards will change some of the vitali/Hatti nonsense.

[margaret thatcher]

im not sure, you can make a case but it seems like he's generally treated as some solid but pretty bland/unspectacular guy who is a rung below elite, the type of guys who vote never really get too excited over him despite going crazy over leesser proven fighters

[margaret thatcher]

although did they up it to 5 guys a year now?

[gilgamesh]

Here’s a summary of Danny Garcia’s resume...

You guys might not like him, but it seems weird to me that fighters like GGG and Luis Ortiz are admired, even though the calibre of opposition they’ve faced is relatively dire in comparison to Garcia’s...

Fourteen of Danny Garcia’s bouts were against current/former world champions, which includes the likes of: Nate Campbell, Kendall Holt, Erik Morales (twice), Amir Khan, Zab Judah, Lucas Martin Matthysse, Lamont Peterson, Paul Malignaggi, Robert Guerrero, Keith Thurman, Brandon Rios, Shawn Porter and Errol Spence Jr.

He’s also a two-weight world champion that has contested ten world title bouts (four at 147lbs [WBC], with the remainder at 140lbs [WBA & WBC]).

Danny previously held The RING and lineal championships at 140lbs for three years (2012 to 2014/5).

Garcia is also currently ranked in seventh in the welterweight division by The RING and sixth by ESPN.

He also had an amateur record of 107 wins, 13 losses.

“Overrated” and “average” fighters don’t have resumes like that!

And just because he’s not a pound-for-pounder, it doesn’t mean he’s garbage or ordinary.

I think we can drop this "Current or Former World Champions" sh*t in the era when everybody gets a belt.

Hall of Famers or Future Hall of Famers they fought I get, Champions...let's face it. It's an extremely watered down concept in Boxing.

And yet fighters like Artur Beterbiev, Luis Ortiz and GGG have faced very few world champions, but they’re respected.

How does that work?

What does Terence Crawford’s welterweight resume read like?

I think you’re diminishing Garcia’s accomplishments, simply because he’s not one of your favourite fighters.

I was literally the first person in the thread to say he's not overrated.

I always say the concept of World Champion is diminished significantly in Modern Boxing. When there's only 1 true Champion at any given time, most of these guys are just contenders who get to call themselves a Champion. That goes for even fighters I'm a big fan of.

To me you might as well call these guys Top 10 contenders instead of "Current or Former Champions" because it's more honest, and frankly gives a better idea on where they were when the guy fought them.

Prime example: Bermane Stiverne was a Champion coming into the Wilder fight. Luis Ortiz to my knowledge has never won a major title, yet I'd say most would say Luis Ortiz was a better fighter than Stiverne ever was. Wouldn't you agree?

That's because Stiverne wasn't ever a Champion. He was a Contender with a belt.

That's not an insult. It's just accurate. Being a Top 10 contender in a sport with Hundreds and Hundreds of Active Fighters is still nothing to scoff at, and a significant accomplishment, but if Everybody is a Champion, then being a Champion don't mean what it should.

[margaret thatcher]

you know who has competed in a lot of world title fights and beaten a lot of champs, terrance crawford!!

14-0 in world title fights
8-0 vs champs

[Enlightened-One]

I think we can drop this "Current or Former World Champions" sh*t in the era when everybody gets a belt.

Hall of Famers or Future Hall of Famers they fought I get, Champions...let's face it. It's an extremely watered down concept in Boxing.

And yet fighters like Artur Beterbiev, Luis Ortiz and GGG have faced very few world champions, but they’re respected.

How does that work?

What does Terence Crawford’s welterweight resume read like?

I think you’re diminishing Garcia’s accomplishments, simply because he’s not one of your favourite fighters.

I was literally the first person in the thread to say he's not overrated.

I always say the concept of World Champion is diminished significantly in Modern Boxing. When there's only 1 true Champion at any given time, most of these guys are just contenders who get to call themselves a Champion. That goes for even fighters I'm a big fan of.

To me you might as well call these guys Top 10 contenders instead of "Current or Former Champions" because it's more honest, and frankly gives a better idea on where they were when the guy fought them.

Fair enough, I see your point, but the fact remains he’s always been matched against decent quality.

And that’s the problem we have with a lot of hyped-up fighters nowadays.

Their fans grant them an honorary rite of passage to being considered the very best in their divisions, without requiring the need for verification.

Simply because they look fantastic against journeymen.

For instance, I was previously ridiculed because I considered Luis Ortiz, Daniel Dubois and Anthony Yarde as being hyped-up unproven talents, it seemed that everyone in the forum was excited about them, but when these guys faced decent opposition, they were exposed badly (at least in the context of many previously claiming they were world-beaters).

And whilst Danny has never been a particularly spectacular talent to watch, it’s hard to look good when you’re regularly facing the top-dogs in the division.

And I feel that anyone that has unified titles, , won belts in multiple weight classes, as well as capturing The RING and Lineal championships is clearly much better than ordinary.

Perhaps I’m different. Maybe it’s wrong for me to respect guys that don’t care about zeros.

[gilgamesh]

Danny is most definitely deserving of respect, and is an excellent fighter in his own right even if he's not currently the #1 guy. He's still definitely Top 10 which as I say is nothing to scoff at.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Garcia is a solid operator but nobody ever says hes great. Great fighters dont go life and death with peterson and hererra

Hes had a good career and made a lot of money

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He gets the most out of his talent unlike

[Onetimeonly]

although did they up it to 5 guys a year now?

They did? Lol, I thought it was 3 years for not fighting instead of 5. If not, that is even easier than now.