T-Bud's stance against Spence?

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I don't recall Crawford fighting any southpaws of note.


If Crawford-Spence was official, would Crawford be best fighting Spence out of an orthodox or southpaw stance, if he had to choose only 1?

[DrDuke]

Let them at least agree to fight each other. However, I believe in this happening only with the sound of the first bell.

[Enlightened-One]

Crawford won’t be facing Spence Jr. anytime soon.

[detamour]

I don't recall Crawford fighting any southpaws of note.


If Crawford-Spence was official, would Crawford be best fighting Spence out of an orthodox or southpaw stance, if he had to choose only 1?

Southpaw and then he will catch spence just like Brook. Spence, has an Issue with his Wide stance and balance long before the Accident..

[IKSRTFO]

I don't recall Crawford fighting any southpaws of note.


If Crawford-Spence was official, would Crawford be best fighting Spence out of an orthodox or southpaw stance, if he had to choose only 1?

Indongo and Diaz were southpaw. I'd say Spence hasn't faced any southpaws of note.

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Avoidance

[IRONFIST]

Crawford won’t be facing Spence Jr. anytime soon.

Crawford is running scared from Spence. I bet he won't even fight him next year.

[ValMar]

Let them at least agree to fight each other. However, I believe in this happening only with the sound of the first bell.

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[gilgamesh]

Doesn't he almost always fight out of both stances over the course of a fight?

[lazboy]

He does but he’s a southpaw and fights out of southpaw significantly more, if I’m not mistaken.

[ValMar]

I suppose he is naturally ambidextrous (great benefit for any boxer).

[bobcatbox]

Does anyone actually call him T Bud?

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

[littlepug]

How can anyone possibly know this or even care ? He’ll do what feels necessary same as always

[Counter-puncher]

Does anyone actually call him T Bud?

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

I saw a good analysis suggesting Crawford would be better fighting orthodox against Spence (for exactly the reasons you give) but he probably won’t (he basically prefers to fight lefty).

[Counter-puncher]

How can anyone possibly know this or even care ? He’ll do what feels necessary same as always

It’s a legit and interesting tactical question IMO for exactly what bobcat said. I guess Crawford would end up reacting if it wasn’t going well from southpaw but like Hagler vs Leonard he may regret not changing stance earlier. If I was in his corner I’d want him orthodox and hand-fighting Spence’s jab to throw his timing off (from what I hear Crawford will just do what TF he wants where his stance is concerned and always has)

[bobcatbox]

Does anyone actually call him T Bud?

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

I saw a good analysis suggesting Crawford would be better fighting orthodox against Spence (for exactly the reasons you give) but he probably won’t (he basically prefers to fight lefty).

To me Crawford controls the fight much more easily and dangerously by fighting right-handed. But yeah you have a point he really prefers to switch it up. There are advantages to him switching against Errol. It will make it harder for Spence to time his jab. It might expose some lapses in Spence’s defense that we’re not seeing because he hasn’t fought another elite level southpaw. I don’t claim to know boxing deep enough to see the cracks myself, but I’m skeptical enough to believe Spence’s handlers may fear southpaws for a reason they’ve seen in the gym. Crawford and his camp are savvy enough to pick up on it if it’s there.

[IKSRTFO]

Does anyone actually call him T Bud?

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

I actually think the opposite. Spence has no problem landing his jab against orthodox fighters but even though another southpaw squares things up a little, he may not be used to jabs against a fellow southpaw. He hasn't faced many of them. Remember that Paul Williams only really had major issues with southpaws even though he was a southpaw himself.

[bobcatbox]

Does anyone actually call him T Bud?

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

I actually think the opposite. Spence has no problem landing his jab against orthodox fighters but even though another southpaw squares things up a little, he may not be used to jabs against a fellow southpaw. He hasn't faced many of them. Remember that Paul Williams only really had major issues with southpaws even though he was a southpaw himself.

“Issues” is a nice way of putting Martinez knocking his lights out.

[detamour]

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

I saw a good analysis suggesting Crawford would be better fighting orthodox against Spence (for exactly the reasons you give) but he probably won’t (he basically prefers to fight lefty).

To me Crawford controls the fight much more easily and dangerously by fighting right-handed. But yeah you have a point he really prefers to switch it up. There are advantages to him switching against Errol. It will make it harder for Spence to time his jab. It might expose some lapses in Spence’s defense that we’re not seeing because he hasn’t fought another elite level southpaw. I don’t claim to know boxing deep enough to see the cracks myself, but I’m skeptical enough to believe Spence’s handlers may fear southpaws for a reason they’ve seen in the gym. Crawford and his camp are savvy enough to pick up on it if it’s there.

Spot on, Spence does not throw straight lefts properly and his balance is not the best either. Crawfor, if he fights like he did v Postol & Horn Spence is in terriblr trouble.

[Enlightened-One]

there are advantages to him switching against Errol. It will make it harder for Spence to time his jab. It might expose some lapses in Spence’s defense that we’re not seeing because he hasn’t fought another elite level southpaw.

The obvious reason why neither Terence Crawford nor Errol Spence Jr. has faced an elite-level southpaw at welterweight, is because other than Manny Pacquiao, there aren't any!!!

You can only face the fighters that are available. Look at the welterweight rankings and list the southpaw fighters that Spence Jr. should have faced, but didn't?

I’m skeptical enough to believe Spence’s handlers may fear southpaws for a reason they’ve seen in the gym. Crawford and his camp are savvy enough to pick up on it if it’s there.

What on earth are you talking about?

A southpaw facing a southpaw is the equivalent of two orthodox fighters fighting each other. It won’t be a problem for Spence Jr.

There’s no proof of him being unable to cope with southpaw foes.

And Spence Jr. is highly experienced against orthodox fighters.

So the only advantage Crawford “potentially” has over Spence Jr., due to him being a switch-hitter, is that it forces Errol to adapt and improvise on the fly… and potentially disrupting his rhythm

However, as we witnessed during the Brook bout, Crawford didn’t really gain the winning momentum until he switched from orthodox to southpaw, which was clearly evident during the third and fourth rounds.

This means that Crawford’s experimentation or switch-hitting doesn’t guarantee success. This tactic could backfire, resulting in him needlessly losing rounds on the judges’ scorecards, which is something you can't afford to do against an elite-level opponent.

Anyway, back to what you claimed… where on earth leads you to believe that Team Spence Jr. are “fearful” of southpaw opponents? Be honest, did you make it up?

[Counter-puncher]

EO in 'just can't help himself being a complete KuNt' shocker

[Enlightened-One]

EO in 'just can't help himself being a complete KuNt' shocker

Someone claims that Spence Jr’s handlers are scared of matching Errol against a fellow southpaw, hence the reason why he hasn’t faced any, based on what? Nothing whatsoever!!!

And you’re telling me I can’t challenge an opinion that absurd? A preposterous stance that even you wouldn’t dare to defend!!!

We might not see eye-to-eye on most things, but even you realise that claim is complete utter garbage!!!

[littlepug]

How can anyone possibly know this or even care ? He’ll do what feels necessary same as always

It’s a legit and interesting tactical question IMO for exactly what bobcat said. I guess Crawford would end up reacting if it wasn’t going well from southpaw but like Hagler vs Leonard he may regret not changing stance earlier. If I was in his corner I’d want him orthodox and hand-fighting Spence’s jab to throw his timing off (from what I hear Crawford will just do what TF he wants where his stance is concerned and always has)

Yeah but there’s too many variables to answer it properly, it’s not as simple as southpaw v orthodox as every individual fighter will react differently to another depending on how they move, feint, judge distance and a million other things they can’t know until stood in front of each other to see how they “fit” to each other’s styles.

[IKSRTFO]

Legit question.

I would think Crawford would stick to orthodox and look to land the lead right on Spence. He can also better neutralize Spence’s key weapon - the jab - more easily if his jab is pushing up against Spence’s all night. The jab is not nearly as critical to “T-Bud” as it is to E-Spence.

I actually think the opposite. Spence has no problem landing his jab against orthodox fighters but even though another southpaw squares things up a little, he may not be used to jabs against a fellow southpaw. He hasn't faced many of them. Remember that Paul Williams only really had major issues with southpaws even though he was a southpaw himself.

“Issues” is a nice way of putting Martinez knocking his lights out.

I say issues because it was more than the 2nd Martinez fight. The 1st fight was close and Lara and Quintana were southpaws. He didn't have much trouble with anyone else. Maybe the Margarito was close because of the handwraps.

[bobcatbox]

I actually think the opposite. Spence has no problem landing his jab against orthodox fighters but even though another southpaw squares things up a little, he may not be used to jabs against a fellow southpaw. He hasn't faced many of them. Remember that Paul Williams only really had major issues with southpaws even though he was a southpaw himself.

“Issues” is a nice way of putting Martinez knocking his lights out.

I say issues because it was more than the 2nd Martinez fight. The 1st fight was close and Lara and Quintana were southpaws. He didn't have much trouble with anyone else. Maybe the Margarito was close because of the handwraps.

Man that first fight was so good too.
Never watched the Quintana fight. I’ll have to check that out.

Edit: And for real that’s a really good point man. I’m trying to think of some other southpaws who had troubles against fellow lefties but not coming to mind off the top of my head.