If Golovkin was a native mexican or american with proper management and promotion?! He would've been a big boxing star?

[apollo creed]

If a foreign fighter from an unknown country, who didn't speak english and also he was poor promoted and managed when he was a younger fighter, finally succeeded to be a known fighter making big M's in the lately part of his boxing career, then imagine Golovkin being a mexican or an american fighter with a good promoter and a good management team ?

How far he could've been today? Same as Canelo, Oscar , FMJ or Hopkins?

[Enlightened-One]

Here’s a paraphrased extract of a post I submitted to the forum on the 19th July, 2016 (and you can click the hyperlink to verify these comments):

...The calibre of opposition [GGG has faced] (in general) has not been truly-world class (based on their typical rankings).

My only gripe, I guess, is that Gennady Golovkin has been world-rated middleweight since 2008, which means he’s had more than eight years’ worth of opportunity to have competed against the likes of:

• Arthur Abraham
• Felix Sturm
• Kelly Pavlik
• Paul Williams
• Jermain Taylor
• Sergio Martinez
• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
• Andy Lee
• Darren Barker
• Dmitry Pirog
• Peter Quillin
• Anthony Mundine
• Sam Soliman
• Daniel Jacobs

However, it seems that Universum, K2 and HBO have refused to invest in their charge, because if they offered big enough paydays, many of these guys probably would have faced GGG.

My fear is that Golovkin will remain in his 160lb comfort zone facing second-tier opposition for the remainder of his career, due to HBO’s diminished budget and K2’s reluctance to offer big paydays, so he’ll likely leave a legacy of those like Sven Ottke, Markus Beyer & Virgil Hill… instead of Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard & Bernard Hopkins.

And Golovkin is partially to blame for his own situation, because he chose to sign contract extensions with the very people that may be holding him back.

I genuinely believe that GGG would have had a better resume and had a better bank balance if he had been promoted by the likes of Top Rank, GBP, Roc Nation, Matchroom or any of the promoters affiliated to Al Haymon, instead of Universum & K2.

And for those that attacked my thoughts in 2016, need to remember that Golovkin recently fired his managers, resulting in him filing a lawsuit against them (seeking millions of dollars), got rid of his promoter (K2), was engaged in legal dispute against Universum and stopped employing the services of Abel Sanchez.

K2 was unwilling to pay GGG his commercial worth.

For a few years Gennadiy attracted some of the sports’ biggest gate receipts and viewing figures, but he was being paid a hell of a lot less than his peers, who were attracting less viewers, which deterred GGG’s rivals from facing him, because they could command bigger sums facing easier opposition.

For instance:

• In 2013, Adrien Broner received about $3m for his 2.7m cable ratings, but GGG commanded only $750K for his 2.5m.

Therefore, K2 and HBO must have made huge profits from GGG’s bouts staged during 2013, because Golovkin received 25% of the sums that Broner commanded, resulting in a ballpark ≈$3.25m discrepancy, despite achieving similar viewing figures for the events he headlined.

• Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. earned $2.5m for his 2013 bout against Bryan Vera, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

• Gennady Golovkin earned $400K for his 2013 bout against Curtis Stevens, which attracted 1.4m viewers on HBO.

• Edwin Rodriguez was paid $600K and Denis Grachev was paid $400K for their 2013 bout, which was televised by HBO.

Surely the numbers must mean SOMETHING? They can’t be ignored!

[gilgamesh]

He IS a big Boxing star.

Bigger than most these days.

[Enlightened-One]

He IS a big Boxing star.

Bigger than most these days.

The majority of GGG's biggest paydays were events promoted by GBP & Matchroom.

He relied on other promoters offering him figthts, because K2 were incompetent and couldn't make them. And his managers didn't do anything about it.

And if Gennadiy's promoter and managers weren't incompetent, then he wouldn't have got rid of them.

And had he signed with GBP, Top Rank or Matchroom instead of Universum or K2, then he would have been a much bigger star and his career earnings would have also been much greater.

Some of the paydays he received were horrendously low, in the context of his gate receipt revenue and audience figures. And no one can possibly argue otherwise.

[margaret thatcher]

ring magazine kammy szmerta #6

As we’re less than ten days away from Gennady Golovkin’s next world title defence, I thought I’d perform a statistical review of his career for the last five years, using a combination of the Ring Magazine's divisional ratings, coupled with BoxRec’s resume information.

I used the “WayBackMachine” internet archive website to gather the Ring Magazine divisional ranking of each opponent at the time of their contest against Golovkin. Also, to simplify things, I rated their champ as the number one ranked fighter in the 160lb division and everybody else accordingly.

Note: This post is not meant to undermine Golovkin’s feats, but to help you evaluate his achievements and his dominant performances in their true context, based on the calibre of the opposition he has been facing. So please don’t get too upset about the things I’ve written, because everything I’ve stated is factually-correct, based on information supplied by reliable third-party sources.

My comments are in the context of the facts of each world title contender at the time they entered the ring against Golovkin:

Date: 23/04/16 Opponent: Dominic Wade Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A lightly-regarded opponent whose only accomplishment was scoring a controversial decision victory over a 41 year old shot version of Sam Soliman

Date: 17/10/15 Opponent: David Lemieux Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 5
Was the IBF champion (after competing for the vacant belt and having never defended his crown), a former light middleweight, at the time of the GGG fight, had suffered two losses on his record, with one of them being a stoppage defeat to Marco Antonio Rubio (who himself was KO'd inside two rounds by Golovkin)

Date: 16/05/15 Opponent: Willie Monroe Jr Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight that was lightly-regarded and was untested, having never previously competed against a top-ten world-rated middleweight prior to the Golovkin bout

Date: 21/02/15 Opponent: Martin Murray Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7
A two-time failed world title challenger, with only one loss on his resume prior to facing Golovkin

Date: 18/10/14 Opponent: Marco Antonio Rubio Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 8
A former welterweight and two-time failed world title challenger, with six losses on his resume, that had previously been dominated or stopped by Chavez Jr. and Pavlik

Date: 26/07/14 Opponent: Daniel Geale Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 3
A former world middleweight champion that had already tasted defeat against Golovkin in the amateurs and lost his world title in his penultimate bout prior to facing GGG

Date: 01/02/14 Opponent: Osumanu Adama Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
One-time failed world title challenger, a former light middleweight and a lightly-regarded opponent

Date: 02/11/13 Opponent: Curtis Stevens Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 11
An anonimous fighter that had already lost three times prior to facing Golovkin, one of them to the lightly regarded Jessie Brinkley

Date: 29/06/13 Opponent: Matthew Macklin Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7
A former welterweight, one time failed world title challenger and entered the ring against GGG having lost two of his previous three bouts

Date: 30/03/13 Opponent: Nobuhiro Ishida Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts, entered the ring against Golovkin having tasted defeat in his previous two outings

Date: 19/01/13 Opponent: Gabriel Rosado Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight, having lost five fights, that had never previously engaged in either a 160lb bout nor a world title fight

Date: 01/09/12 Opponent: Grzegorz Proksa Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 10
Was defeated in one of his previous three bouts immediately prior to facing Golovkin and was also a former light middleweight

Date: 12/05/12 Opponent: Makoto Fuchigami Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
An anonimous fighter that had already lost six times

Date: 09/12/11 Opponent: Lajuan Simon Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A failed world title challenger that had lost three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his previous bout immediately prior to facing GGG

Date: 17/06/11 Opponent: Kassim Ouma Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former welterweight contender and 154lb world champion that had tasted defeat in five of his previous seven bouts at the time he entered the ring against Golovkin

Golovkin’s next opponent is 12-year veteran, whose competes as a welterweight and has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over a top-ten world class 147lb-er.

Thoughts?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

GGG is a star. To be a mega star you need big fights. He got 2 against canelo - generally most thought he was screwed in the first and lost the 2nd

For whatever reasons he didnt get fights against ward or cotto

He made a lot of money so he was promoted well just a bit unlucky with the timing of his career trajectory

[adislav123]

judged objectively ggg won both fights.

no two ways about it.

second one was closer but still he won it.

constantly stalking canelo, not once really rattled by the most dangerous body puncher in boxing history.

threw and landed more in both fights.

if u want to see the corruption in a nutshell watch the last round of the second fight and tell me how 2 of the 3 judges gave it to canelo.

just enough to not make it a draw again. such a close fight! yeah right!

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Rd 12 could go either way. If you think that was a clear ggg round you are blind by bias or dont know how to score a round.

[Thomastearns]

If GGG was born an American or a Mexican
(or even an eastern European Mexican - and let's face it, he fights more in a Mexican style than Clenelo ever did) he could write his own cheques.

He could also buy his own judges, referees, and have all the sanctioning bodies eating the leftover crumbs out of his hands.

And if any of the so-called testing agencies ever made the mistake of even suggesting a positive sample, they'd better apologize and grovel before his majesty Gennady the great.

Unlike Tyson Fury and UKAD, GGGs retaliatory threats would be backed by the entire boxing establishment - crooked and straight.

You should have tried harder Gennady.
Hearts and minds, hearts and minds...

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Good point GGG has always tested clean unlike his rival and known ped cheat anelo

[adislav123]

Rd 12 could go either way. If you think that was a clear ggg round you are blind by bias or dont know how to score a round.

you're right lacy! one of the close rounds, watched it again, somehow really remembered it differently.


still doesn't change the fact that gokovkin as the defending champ didn't loose that fight no matter what the scorecards say.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Wow man props to you for rewatching and admitting you were wrong you dont see that on message boards!

[gilgamesh]

He IS a big Boxing star.

Bigger than most these days.

The majority of GGG's biggest paydays were events promoted by GBP & Matchroom.

He relied on other promoters offering him figthts, because K2 were incompetent and couldn't make them. And his managers didn't do anything about it.

And if Gennadiy's promoter and managers weren't incompetent, then he wouldn't have got rid of them.

And had he signed with GBP, Top Rank or Matchroom instead of Universum or K2, then he would have been a much bigger star and his career earnings would have also been much greater.

Some of the paydays he received were horrendously low, in the context of his gate receipt revenue and audience figures. And no one can possibly argue otherwise.

Oh I'm sure he could've and should've made more money. Hell he was my favorite fighter of the last decade.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He IS a big Boxing star.

Bigger than most these days.

The majority of GGG's biggest paydays were events promoted by GBP & Matchroom.

He relied on other promoters offering him figthts, because K2 were incompetent and couldn't make them. And his managers didn't do anything about it.

And if Gennadiy's promoter and managers weren't incompetent, then he wouldn't have got rid of them.

And had he signed with GBP, Top Rank or Matchroom instead of Universum or K2, then he would have been a much bigger star and his career earnings would have also been much greater.

Some of the paydays he received were horrendously low, in the context of his gate receipt revenue and audience figures. And no one can possibly argue otherwise.

Oh I'm sure he could've and should've made more money. Hell he was my favorite fighter of the last decade.

His 2 Canelo purses and what he made for far from DAZN Makes up for what he didn’t earn earlier in his career.

I’m sure he’s financially happy.

He was already a multi millionaire before he fought Canelo. His purses did start to get better before he fought Canelo.

[apollo creed]

If GGG was born an American or a Mexican
(or even an eastern European Mexican - and let's face it, he fights more in a Mexican style than Clenelo ever did) he could write his own cheques.

He could also buy his own judges, referees, and have all the sanctioning bodies eating the leftover crumbs out of his hands.

And if any of the so-called testing agencies ever made the mistake of even suggesting a positive sample, they'd better apologize and grovel before his majesty Gennady the great.

Unlike Tyson Fury and UKAD, GGGs retaliatory threats would be backed by the entire boxing establishment - crooked and straight.

You should have tried harder Gennady.
Hearts and minds, hearts and minds...

[apollo creed]

Good point GGG has always tested clean unlike his rival and known ped cheat anelo

But sadly it seems that doesn't mean so much nowadays.

Golovkin is a true clean fighter.

[Enlightened-One]

The majority of GGG's biggest paydays were events promoted by GBP & Matchroom.

He relied on other promoters offering him figthts, because K2 were incompetent and couldn't make them. And his managers didn't do anything about it.

And if Gennadiy's promoter and managers weren't incompetent, then he wouldn't have got rid of them.

And had he signed with GBP, Top Rank or Matchroom instead of Universum or K2, then he would have been a much bigger star and his career earnings would have also been much greater.

Some of the paydays he received were horrendously low, in the context of his gate receipt revenue and audience figures. And no one can possibly argue otherwise.

Oh I'm sure he could've and should've made more money. Hell he was my favorite fighter of the last decade.

His 2 Canelo purses and what he made for far from DAZN Makes up for what he didn’t earn earlier in his career.

I’m sure he’s financially happy.

He was already a multi millionaire before he fought Canelo. His purses did start to get better before he fought Canelo.

The Canelo bout was co-promoted by GGG Promotions (where he was self-promoted), not K2, which only serves to endorse the fact Gennadiy had been poorly promoted by K2 & Universum and also badly managed, hence the lawsuits he was engaged with those parties.

[squiggy]

Rd 12 could go either way. If you think that was a clear ggg round you are blind by bias or dont know how to score a round.

It's still a salient point, though: that round that could have gone either way? Guess which way it went.

[apollo creed]

GGG is a star. To be a mega star you need big fights. He got 2 against canelo - generally most thought he was screwed in the first and lost the 2nd

For whatever reasons he didnt get fights against ward or cotto

He made a lot of money so he was promoted well just a bit unlucky with the timing of his career trajectory

Probably Golovkin should've joined with GBP when he signed with HBO. But it is what it is. I'd have liked to see a younger Golovkin fighting Martinez , Canelo and Froch.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Oh I'm sure he could've and should've made more money. Hell he was my favorite fighter of the last decade.

His 2 Canelo purses and what he made for far from DAZN Makes up for what he didn’t earn earlier in his career.

I’m sure he’s financially happy.

He was already a multi millionaire before he fought Canelo. His purses did start to get better before he fought Canelo.

The Canelo bout was co-promoted by GGG Promotions (where he was self-promoted), not K2, which only serves to endorse the fact Gennadiy had been poorly promoted by K2 & Universum and also badly managed, hence the lawsuits he was engaged with those parties.

Wasn’t the first bout K2? Then the second was GGG.

[Enlightened-One]

His 2 Canelo purses and what he made for far from DAZN Makes up for what he didn’t earn earlier in his career.

I’m sure he’s financially happy.

He was already a multi millionaire before he fought Canelo. His purses did start to get better before he fought Canelo.

The Canelo bout was co-promoted by GGG Promotions (where he was self-promoted), not K2, which only serves to endorse the fact Gennadiy had been poorly promoted by K2 & Universum and also badly managed, hence the lawsuits he was engaged with those parties.

Wasn’t the first bout K2? Then the second was GGG.

This article was from September 2017, which mentions GGG Promotions and GBP:
https://www.fightbookmma.com/statement- ... w-numbers/

[Ruthless-RKO]

The Canelo bout was co-promoted by GGG Promotions (where he was self-promoted), not K2, which only serves to endorse the fact Gennadiy had been poorly promoted by K2 & Universum and also badly managed, hence the lawsuits he was engaged with those parties.

Wasn’t the first bout K2? Then the second was GGG.

This article was from September 2017, which mentions GGG Promotions and GBP:
https://www.fightbookmma.com/statement- ... w-numbers/

Yeh I just checked the poster. It says GGG. No K2 logo. I think he has Tom Loeffler in some sort of role.

[Enlightened-One]

Wasn’t the first bout K2? Then the second was GGG.

This article was from September 2017, which mentions GGG Promotions and GBP:
https://www.fightbookmma.com/statement- ... w-numbers/

Yeh I just checked the poster. It says GGG. No K2 logo. I think he has Tom Loeffler in some sort of role.

There were rumours of GGG dumping Loeffler early last year, which were spread by Dan Rafael.

When Loeffler refuted these claims, via a Twitter spat, Rafael responded by saying that he had really meant that Tom wasn’t making the decisions anymore, which essentially silenced Tom. He didn’t dispute this assertion.

So I think that Loeffler still works with GGG Promotions, which is solely owned by Gennadiy himself, in only an administrative or perhaps an advisory/spokesman capacity.

I'm also pretty sure he confirmed this during an interview with iFL TV.

[gilgamesh]

The majority of GGG's biggest paydays were events promoted by GBP & Matchroom.

He relied on other promoters offering him figthts, because K2 were incompetent and couldn't make them. And his managers didn't do anything about it.

And if Gennadiy's promoter and managers weren't incompetent, then he wouldn't have got rid of them.

And had he signed with GBP, Top Rank or Matchroom instead of Universum or K2, then he would have been a much bigger star and his career earnings would have also been much greater.

Some of the paydays he received were horrendously low, in the context of his gate receipt revenue and audience figures. And no one can possibly argue otherwise.

Oh I'm sure he could've and should've made more money. Hell he was my favorite fighter of the last decade.

His 2 Canelo purses and what he made for far from DAZN Makes up for what he didn’t earn earlier in his career.

I’m sure he’s financially happy.

He was already a multi millionaire before he fought Canelo. His purses did start to get better before he fought Canelo.

True, and fans are always so overly dramatic about fighters no getting enough anyway.

Let's say as an example (I don't know what he made for this fight though I'm sure that info is out there) he made 300,000 dollars or whatever to smash Marco Antonio Rubio in 2 rounds. I'd say that's a pretty sweet gig right there

And I wouldn't doubt the actual amount he made was well beyond that, so yes he was living well, and is still I'm sure.

[Enlightened-One]

ring magazine kammy szmerta #6

As we’re less than ten days away from Gennady Golovkin’s next world title defence, I thought I’d perform a statistical review of his career for the last five years, using a combination of the Ring Magazine's divisional ratings, coupled with BoxRec’s resume information.

I used the “WayBackMachine” internet archive website to gather the Ring Magazine divisional ranking of each opponent at the time of their contest against Golovkin. Also, to simplify things, I rated their champ as the number one ranked fighter in the 160lb division and everybody else accordingly.

Note: This post is not meant to undermine Golovkin’s feats, but to help you evaluate his achievements and his dominant performances in their true context, based on the calibre of the opposition he has been facing. So please don’t get too upset about the things I’ve written, because everything I’ve stated is factually-correct, based on information supplied by reliable third-party sources.

My comments are in the context of the facts of each world title contender at the time they entered the ring against Golovkin:

Date: 23/04/16 Opponent: Dominic Wade Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A lightly-regarded opponent whose only accomplishment was scoring a controversial decision victory over a 41 year old shot version of Sam Soliman

Date: 17/10/15 Opponent: David Lemieux Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 5
Was the IBF champion (after competing for the vacant belt and having never defended his crown), a former light middleweight, at the time of the GGG fight, had suffered two losses on his record, with one of them being a stoppage defeat to Marco Antonio Rubio (who himself was KO'd inside two rounds by Golovkin)

Date: 16/05/15 Opponent: Willie Monroe Jr Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight that was lightly-regarded and was untested, having never previously competed against a top-ten world-rated middleweight prior to the Golovkin bout

Date: 21/02/15 Opponent: Martin Murray Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7
A two-time failed world title challenger, with only one loss on his resume prior to facing Golovkin

Date: 18/10/14 Opponent: Marco Antonio Rubio Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 8
A former welterweight and two-time failed world title challenger, with six losses on his resume, that had previously been dominated or stopped by Chavez Jr. and Pavlik

Date: 26/07/14 Opponent: Daniel Geale Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 3
A former world middleweight champion that had already tasted defeat against Golovkin in the amateurs and lost his world title in his penultimate bout prior to facing GGG

Date: 01/02/14 Opponent: Osumanu Adama Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
One-time failed world title challenger, a former light middleweight and a lightly-regarded opponent

Date: 02/11/13 Opponent: Curtis Stevens Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 11
An anonimous fighter that had already lost three times prior to facing Golovkin, one of them to the lightly regarded Jessie Brinkley

Date: 29/06/13 Opponent: Matthew Macklin Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 7
A former welterweight, one time failed world title challenger and entered the ring against GGG having lost two of his previous three bouts

Date: 30/03/13 Opponent: Nobuhiro Ishida Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight that had failed to win ten of his bouts, entered the ring against Golovkin having tasted defeat in his previous two outings

Date: 19/01/13 Opponent: Gabriel Rosado Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former light middleweight, having lost five fights, that had never previously engaged in either a 160lb bout nor a world title fight

Date: 01/09/12 Opponent: Grzegorz Proksa Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: 10
Was defeated in one of his previous three bouts immediately prior to facing Golovkin and was also a former light middleweight

Date: 12/05/12 Opponent: Makoto Fuchigami Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
An anonimous fighter that had already lost six times

Date: 09/12/11 Opponent: Lajuan Simon Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A failed world title challenger that had lost three of his previous five bouts at the time he fought Golovkin… and had even lost his previous bout immediately prior to facing GGG

Date: 17/06/11 Opponent: Kassim Ouma Divisional Ring Magazine Rating: Unranked
A former welterweight contender and 154lb world champion that had tasted defeat in five of his previous seven bouts at the time he entered the ring against Golovkin

Golovkin’s next opponent, Kell Brook, is a 12-year veteran, whose competes as a welterweight and has never scored a clear-cut decisive victory over a top-ten world class 147lb-er.

Thoughts?

That's a marvellous post you've quoted! I wonder who wrote that?