Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[joshj909]

Fury has travelled twice against the best on offer and barely lost a round in reality.

AJ would lose a wife UD or bee stopped if they Fury who smashed up Wilder turns up.

AJ is NOT as cavalier as Fury when it comes to taking challenges.

AJ ducked Wilder imo. AJ wants no part of Wilders power.

He unanimously lost rounds against both Wlad and Wilder. Nobody ducked Wilder, that's been exposed several times. Wilder was also not the best on offer.

The facts are AJ said give me $50M and the fights on. Then they negotiated out of it.

Fury just said “Tell me when and where”.

When I’m not privy to the ins and outs I go with my gut instinct. AJ and Hearn ducked him.

My opinion.

Fury beats AJ. AJ will NEVER fight Wilder.

Fury was not worth anywhere near as much as AJ in negotiations back then so there was less to negotiate. Additionally, Wilder has recently said he would've got payed more to face AJ. The $50m twitter offer was also believed to include BT Sport revenue which would've not been possible due to exclusive Sky contracts, it also did not include any details such as location, referees, judges or an actual contract offer. Matchroom has submitted contract offers to Wilder. Additionally, Wilder also tried freezing AJ out and now has no bargaining chips. Why should AJ face him unless he becomes mandatory?

[Jimmy2020]

Mccracken and Hearn didn't fancy Wilder imo. AJ would fight anybody.

[Twinkle Toes]

Wllder turned down a 100 million dollar 3 fight deal with Dazn. One fight vs Brezealle and two vs Joshua.

Instead he got payed less for fighting Brezealle, (about 50% less) and has been bludgeoned into semi retirement by Fury for less money as well.

Genius!

[Jimmy2020]

Wllder turned down a 100 million dollar 3 fight deal with Dazn. One fight vs Brezealle and two vs Joshua.

Instead he got payed less for fighting Brezealle, (about 50% less) and has been bludgeoned into semi retirement by Fury for less money as well.

Genius!

Blame his advisors or others with a vested interest. I'm sure he does.

[Twinkle Toes]

I'm sure he doesn't considering the fact he is still being advised by them.

[DG]

He unanimously lost rounds against both Wlad and Wilder. Nobody ducked Wilder, that's been exposed several times. Wilder was also not the best on offer.

The facts are AJ said give me $50M and the fights on. Then they negotiated out of it.

Fury just said “Tell me when and where”.

When I’m not privy to the ins and outs I go with my gut instinct. AJ and Hearn ducked him.

My opinion.

Fury beats AJ. AJ will NEVER fight Wilder.

Fury was not worth anywhere near as much as AJ in negotiations back then so there was less to negotiate. Additionally, Wilder has recently said he would've got payed more to face AJ. The $50m twitter offer was also believed to include BT Sport revenue which would've not been possible due to exclusive Sky contracts, it also did not include any details such as location, referees, judges or an actual contract offer. Matchroom has submitted contract offers to Wilder. Additionally, Wilder also tried freezing AJ out and now has no bargaining chips. Why should AJ face him unless he becomes mandatory?

One point I will address.

“Why should he face him if he’s not the mandatory?”

DARE TO BE GREAT. FIGHT THE BEST.

[joshj909]

The facts are AJ said give me $50M and the fights on. Then they negotiated out of it.

Fury just said “Tell me when and where”.

When I’m not privy to the ins and outs I go with my gut instinct. AJ and Hearn ducked him.

My opinion.

Fury beats AJ. AJ will NEVER fight Wilder.

Fury was not worth anywhere near as much as AJ in negotiations back then so there was less to negotiate. Additionally, Wilder has recently said he would've got payed more to face AJ. The $50m twitter offer was also believed to include BT Sport revenue which would've not been possible due to exclusive Sky contracts, it also did not include any details such as location, referees, judges or an actual contract offer. Matchroom has submitted contract offers to Wilder. Additionally, Wilder also tried freezing AJ out and now has no bargaining chips. Why should AJ face him unless he becomes mandatory?

One point I will address.

“Why should he face him if he’s not the mandatory?”

DARE TO BE GREAT. FIGHT THE BEST.

I agree, but AJ no longer needs him, Wilder now needs AJ/Fury to stay relevant. AJ needs Fury and Fury needs AJ. I also don't believe Wilder is "The Best", maybe Wilder should face some top 10 guys to prove he's up there with the best and deserves to be in that bracket.

[DG]

Fury was not worth anywhere near as much as AJ in negotiations back then so there was less to negotiate. Additionally, Wilder has recently said he would've got payed more to face AJ. The $50m twitter offer was also believed to include BT Sport revenue which would've not been possible due to exclusive Sky contracts, it also did not include any details such as location, referees, judges or an actual contract offer. Matchroom has submitted contract offers to Wilder. Additionally, Wilder also tried freezing AJ out and now has no bargaining chips. Why should AJ face him unless he becomes mandatory?

One point I will address.

“Why should he face him if he’s not the mandatory?”

DARE TO BE GREAT. FIGHT THE BEST.

I agree, but AJ no longer needs him, Wilder now needs AJ/Fury to stay relevant. AJ needs Fury and Fury needs AJ. I also don't believe Wilder is "The Best", maybe Wilder should face some top 10 guys to prove he's up there with the best and deserves to be in that bracket.

Wilder is still a solid fight. AJ won’t go near him belt or no belt. Imo.

[Ricky]

I think Fury would make easy work of AJ. Joshua likes the fight on his terms. Slowish pace, at distance, pick shots and admire his work. ai think Fury would maul all over him and break down, quickly.

Absolutely no way Fury will fight like that.

Why not, he just did vs a much bigger puncher than AJ.

[Jimmy2020]

I'm sure he doesn't considering the fact he is still being advised by them.

Slave contract probably

[Boxerbeetle]

I think Fury would make easy work of AJ. Joshua likes the fight on his terms. Slowish pace, at distance, pick shots and admire his work. ai think Fury would maul all over him and break down, quickly.

Absolutely no way Fury will fight like that.

Why not, he just did vs a much bigger puncher than AJ.

Different styles though, innit. Wilder has no punch variety, is poorly skilled and very inaccurate. Joshua has much much better fundamentals than Wilder.

[forcefraser]

Fury will stop Joshua late on. His movement is on a different level.

The only chance I could.givw Joshua is.if he gains a bit of weight and rushes Fury trying to steamroller him in the first couple of rounds.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[Ruthless-RKO]

Anthony Joshua v Tyson Fury: Talks over fight could take just two days - Eddie Hearn

Talks to agree a bout between Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury for 2021 could take just "a couple of days" to be completed, promoter Eddie Hearn says.

Joshua's knockout of Kubrat Pulev on Saturday has set up the prospect of a clash between the British rivals.

Negotiations start on Monday and it could be the first fight in history for all four heavyweight titles.

"There is no reason we cannot complete the deal and then move on and solve the other problems," Hearn said.

WBC world heavyweight champion Fury has been installed as an odds-on favourite to beat IBF, WBA and WBO belt holder Joshua if they fight next.

Asked how long realistically it would take to complete the deal, Hearn replied: "A couple of days.

"We need to write to the governing bodies and say yes we have a deal and we will now talk to the various sites and confirm the dates shortly for what I suppose will be the end of May."

"I want the fight next. I can't wait to knock him out," Fury said in a video posted on social media on Saturday night.

There are some potential issues, including if Fury is forced to fight Deontay Wilder for a third time, while Joshua could be told by the WBO to face mandatory challenger Oleksandr Usyk.

But Matchroom promoter Hearn added: "The only hitch I can think of is Wilder. If the court orders the Fury rematch, and it doesn't sound as though they will, then it is out of our hands.

"That is the only way it falls through is if something stops their side, that isn't me saying they don't want it, they do, but if the court orders it then we will have to fight Usyk."

If Usyk and the WBO do not agree to that title being on the line for Joshua-Fury, Hearn said they could vacate the belt in order to ensure one of the biggest fights in British boxing history is able to take place.

Hearn said: "It is an undisputed fight, it should be the toughest fight out there, but I've always fancied him to beat Tyson Fury, always.

"But Fury is definitely at the peak of his powers and so is AJ which actually is why it is so great if we get it made because you saw with Floyd [Mayweather] and [Manny] Pacquiao, it was rubbish."

Joshua's trainer Rob McCracken said his fighter is "getting better all the time".

"I would think they would definitely fight and probably fight at least twice next year, that's what everybody wants to happen," he said.

"Big Josh has had 10 or 11 world title fights and is still developing and winning. He's getting better all the time."

[Ruthless-RKO]

Tyson Fury To Anthony Joshua: Grow a Pair - Sign The Contract Big Boy!

After the fight, Joshua side-stepped the opportunity to call for the Fury unification.

“I watched the fight and was very impressed with what he did and then it came to the end of the fight and they did the interview, the public wanted to hear that he would fight me and he avoided the question," Fury said.

“It was a bit disappointing to be honest because it’s been such a long time building up over the years and he avoided the question like he didn’t want the fight so I had to get straight on social media and make everyone know I’m willing and ready to take the fight. Grow a pair and sign the contract big boy.”

“That doesn’t sound too bad but then again I don’t believe everything I see in the paper so we’ll see what’s going to go on. But let’s hope this fight happens, I’m willing to take the fight, I don’t know if they are," Fury said.

“I’ve been willing to take the fight for the last five years and it’s not happened so far, but I’m optimistic. All of these organisations will allow this fight - it’s the biggest one since Muhammad Ali fought George Foreman at Rumble in the Jungle. It’s a massive fight.

“Oleksandr Usyk is a mandatory - but if that belt has to be vacated then I’m sure they’re going to do it to make the biggest fight of our generation. I’m willing, I hope he’s willing and let’s give the fans the fight they really want to see.”

[Ruthless-RKO]

WBO warns Joshua he could be stripped

WBO president Paco Valcarcel strongly hinting that the WBO will strip Anthony Joshua if Joshua unifies the four major heavyweightitles vs. Tyson Fury instead of first making a WBO mandatory against Oleksandr Usyk: "Anthony Joshua looked sensational against Kubrat Pulev. As to the World Boxing Organization belt, [Joshua's promoter] Eddie Hearn knows the meaning of commitment. The ball is in Hearn’s court." Valcarcel tagged Usyk on the tweet. Joshua currently holds the IBF and WBA championships as well as the WBO's; Fury has the WBC championship.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Hearn has said he is predicting 2.2m buys for the first fight.

He said also said the ppv price will start with the number 2..

So what we thinking £29.95??

If AJ vs. Wlad, Ruiz and Parker did between 1.4m to 1.6m buys, then AJ vs. Fury can even surpass 2.2m..

£66m in revenue just on 2.2m buys at £29.95.. Then you have gate revenue..

This fight will definitely take place in Middle East somewhere. They going to want to max heir profits.

[IRONFIST]

My boy Fury would muller Joshua the same way he mullered Smooth's boy Wilder.

Joshua likes to beat up on shot fighters past their sell-by date. Joshua better get the Fury fight in next before he gets beaten again.

[DrDuke]

F*ck WBO. If they make Usyk a mandatory, Joshua must put their belt in a trash and fight Fury. Because Fury-Joshua is the biggest matchup in boxing and this opportunity can't be lost.

[Ruthless-RKO]

F*ck WBO. If they make Usyk a mandatory, Joshua must put their belt in a trash and fight Fury. Because Fury-Joshua is the biggest matchup in boxing and this opportunity can't be lost.

The way I see it..

Undisputed Heavyweight title match
Fury vs. Joshua - sell out crowd, breaks UK PPV records.

Non-title fight
Fury vs. Joshua - sell out crowd, breaks UK PPV records.

The belts are just novelty and of course it goes in the books officially and as fans we want 1 world champion.

But we know Fury vs. Joshua is #1 vs. #2 at heavyweight.

[DrDuke]

Undisputed Heavyweight title match
Fury vs. Joshua - sell out crowd, breaks UK PPV records.

Non-title fight
Fury vs. Joshua - sell out crowd, breaks UK PPV records.

100%

The belts are just novelty and of course it goes in the books officially and as fans we want 1 world champion.

But we know Fury vs. Joshua is #1 vs. #2 at heavyweight.

Right. And the more I'm being a boxing fan, the less f*ck I give about straps.

It's known without any straps, who is the man.

[Boxerbeetle]

I reckon Usyk wouldn’t mind stepping aside anyway, as long as he can get a guarantee at a shot at the winner within 18 months or so.

[maverick23]

F*ck WBO. If they make Usyk a mandatory, Joshua must put their belt in a trash and fight Fury. Because Fury-Joshua is the biggest matchup in boxing and this opportunity can't be lost.

The way I see it..

Undisputed Heavyweight title match
Fury vs. Joshua - sell out crowd, breaks UK PPV records.

Non-title fight
Fury vs. Joshua - sell out crowd, breaks UK PPV records.

The belts are just novelty and of course it goes in the books officially and as fans we want 1 world champion.

But we know Fury vs. Joshua is #1 vs. #2 at heavyweight.

I think they’ll find a way to make it work for all 4 belts.

Something like AJ vs Fury late May for all the belts and then Usyk vs Joyce or Parker or whoever arranged for June for the WBO interim which will then be upgraded to the main WBO after the AJ/Fury fight.

[mickey1975]

Is a Tyson win rate of 85% too high?

Yes, and I’m the forums resident Fury fan.

[gp.]

Is a Tyson win rate of 85% too high?

Yes, and I’m the forums resident Fury fan.

Yeah I’m huge fury fan and expect him to win. My maths is not good but isn’t this like 6-1?

Yes, but it's not the same thing. If any sensible person looking at it would give Fury a 65% chance of winning, you would expect 100% of sensible people to predict a Fury win.

To put it another way, if you had a dice with the number six on four sides and the number one on the other two, everyone would say six when asked what value they expected. That is a different question from "how confident are you that that will be the result?", in which case they would say "2 to 1". The question being asked in the poll is just about the most likely result, not the confidence, and just means that 85% of people favour Fury, however slightly.