Tommy Morrison is apparently making a comeback at the age of 37. He hasn't fought since November 1996, when he returned from the Lennox Lewis fight to stop a trialhorse in the opening round. He's got a record of 46-3-1, 40 early, with the best wins coming against Razor Ruddock and George Foreman.
He claims that he is not, and never was, HIV Positive. He claims the diagnosis was incorrect, and that in any event he's tested negative for the past six or seven years. He's in the gym training and is aiming for a return to the ring before the end of the year !
Tommy "The Duke" Morrison announces comeback
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TerribleTerry
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Old bones Ian
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Will be interesting to see if Tommy sues the medical teams, i would be deeply suspicious of Morrison if he didn't, seeing as he was a top heavy when diagnosed, and could sue for millions.stujones wrote:If what Tommy is stating is geniune then I am chuffed for him. Although, I am sure he'd earn a shit load more by suing the medics who diagnosed him.
TT, while I would agree there wouldn't be many - lets not forget his last fight took place after his HIV got made public.
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Worrying statement by Morrison during an interview is :
So is it your contention that the test back in 1996 was a false positive, that you do not have HIV?
I’m convinced that was the case. They wanted me to say a lot of things I didn’t believe. I researched for a couple of years that a person can get it in the ring. But that is impossible. It can’t happen. There is not a single documented incident where it happened in the world because it
can’t.
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I'd have to disagree here, i'm no expert, but what happens if a boxer with HIV gets badly cut, and that could happen at any point in a fight, if you were the opponent you could fight for nearly a whole 36 minutes with blood from your HIV+ opponent getting in either your mouth or your own cuts. I cannot see how you couldn't stand a chance of infection.
So is it your contention that the test back in 1996 was a false positive, that you do not have HIV?
I’m convinced that was the case. They wanted me to say a lot of things I didn’t believe. I researched for a couple of years that a person can get it in the ring. But that is impossible. It can’t happen. There is not a single documented incident where it happened in the world because it
can’t.
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I'd have to disagree here, i'm no expert, but what happens if a boxer with HIV gets badly cut, and that could happen at any point in a fight, if you were the opponent you could fight for nearly a whole 36 minutes with blood from your HIV+ opponent getting in either your mouth or your own cuts. I cannot see how you couldn't stand a chance of infection.
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#stujones wrote: TT, while I would agree there wouldn't be many - lets not forget his last fight took place after his HIV got made public.
Very true - was it Marcus Rhodes? I cant remember..
I do remember there was a ruling though that if any cut or blood was detected the fight would be stopped immediately.
Money talks I suppose but I wouldnt fancy the assignement.
Yes, I remember them introducing the cuts rule. Still risky though if a clash of heads and both men recieve a cut then surely the opponent is in danger of contracting the virus - even if the fight is immediately stopped.TerribleTerry wrote:#stujones wrote: TT, while I would agree there wouldn't be many - lets not forget his last fight took place after his HIV got made public.
Very true - was it Marcus Rhodes? I cant remember..
I do remember there was a ruling though that if any cut or blood was detected the fight would be stopped immediately.
Money talks I suppose but I wouldnt fancy the assignement.
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I'll never forget that fight. What the hell was the ref thinking?JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:Come back from this one Tommy boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYIDbkG ... 20morrison
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Probably "fcuk am I getting in the way!!!"nickd wrote:I'll never forget that fight. What the hell was the ref thinking?JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:Come back from this one Tommy boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYIDbkG ... 20morrison
Scary shots!
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Oh dear.Goz wrote:I think Tommy will find Freddie Mercury probably got it in the ring and that's just for starters.topper123 wrote: I researched for a couple of years that a person can get it in the ring. But that is impossible. It can’t happen.
Sorry, my names Goz and you've been a great crowd....
I've been hearing these rumours about a Tommy Morrison comeback for quite a while now but they never seem to come to anything, time will tell.
I wonder what weight he will fight at as the last photograph I saw of Morrison he looked a healthy 190lbs, although it's always hard to guess weight on a internet photograph.
As for Boxing with HIV (or not as the case may be) money talks there will be plenty of fighters willing to fight Morrison I would imagine. I'm no medical man but I imagine that the chances of getting HIV in a Boxing match are increadibly small. The fighters are much more likely to get a detached retina, brain damage or win the lottery and not have to fight at all I would guess.
I wonder what weight he will fight at as the last photograph I saw of Morrison he looked a healthy 190lbs, although it's always hard to guess weight on a internet photograph.
As for Boxing with HIV (or not as the case may be) money talks there will be plenty of fighters willing to fight Morrison I would imagine. I'm no medical man but I imagine that the chances of getting HIV in a Boxing match are increadibly small. The fighters are much more likely to get a detached retina, brain damage or win the lottery and not have to fight at all I would guess.
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SN: Tommy, you have always been very open about the fact that during
much of your professional boxing career, you used steroids. Can you
tell us when you started using them?
I can tell you when, but I won't say how (laughs). Actually, I got
into them a little bit in high school, but it was more in the pills,
the oral stuff. The injections and stuff wasn't until later. As far as
my professional career, probably around 1991. I used them not while I
was training, but in between bouts. I just want to make sure that is
clear.
SN: What kind of steroids did you stack and in what dosages?
Usually a CC of whatever I was taking. A lot of times they were oral,
some of them weren't, in the off time. The benefits were that it made
me more aggressive, like I needed that (laughs). It made me more
aggressive in every area of my life. I never went over the edge,
though, like some guys you hear about. I want everyone to know though,
and I learned early, that if you're going to do it, you have to keep a
cool head.
SN: What changes did you notice when you began using steroids?
You become bigger, faster, and stronger. That's the reason why
everyone does it. In order to compete, you have to do it too. That's
not something that was talked about, but I guarantee you that it was
never tested, so hell yeah people are going to do it.
SN: How do you think steroids would aid a professional boxer, or any
athlete in general?
Like I said, it just makes you bigger, faster, and stronger. It helps
with your endurance also, your recovery time between rounds. You
recover faster when you have that stuff in your system. The flip side
of that is that if you go over your boundaries, push yourself beyond
your limit, you'll never recover. That's why it's important that while
you do it, you have to train, you have to work out.
SN: In his book "Juiced," Jose Canseco reveals that he doesn't believe
that he would have even made it to the major leagues without the
benefit of steroids. How far do you think you would have gone in
professional boxing without them?
I wouldn't have gone as far as I did, I guarantee you that. I probably
would have fought as a cruiserweight. When I was in training, if I
didn't have that extra fifteen to twenty pounds, I would have fought
there. I always had the power and the speed, I just needed the
endurance, which was my problem.
SN: How were you able to avoid testing positive for steroid use during
your career?
Because they didn't test for steroids back then. They do now, I don't
know why, but they do. It's very expensive, and from what I hear, when
they test for something, they have to test for a specific type of
steroid. So if they don't know what they're testing for, they won't
figure out what you're on, unless you just offered it up to them.
SN: What is your opinion on the current steroid controversy
surrounding Major League Baseball? Is it much ado about nothing, or
should strict measures be taken to eliminate the use of performance
enhancing substances?
I think that in a professional sport the athlete should be able to do
what the hell they want. People need to just back off and let them be
what they want to be. That's why people spend the money to go to the
ballpark in the first place, to see somebody jack one out. If they
jack one out, maybe more people come to the ballpark, and maybe
they'll make more money. Know what I mean? That's it, in a nutshell.
College players, high school players, no it doesn't set a good
example, but those guys didn't ask to be examples, they didn't ask to
be role models. They just are. They're just trying to do what's best
for them, and everyone needs to stay out of their business.
SN: Do you think that asterisks should be added to the numerous
records that have been set in what has become known as "The Steroid
Era" in baseball?
Well you don't know what those guys back in the old days were doing
who set the records. Without positive proof, I don't see how they
could do something like that.
SN: While taking steroids or in the years since your boxing career
ended, have you had any noticeable side effects or health problems as
a result of your use? How do you explain the untimely deaths of some
athletes and former athletes who have died from problems allegedly
brought on by steroids?
Not one problem. Matter of fact, I still take testosterone as part of
my HIV treatment. As far as athletes, when I used them, I used them
under a doctor's supervision, and I knew a lot about them anyway. I
learned a lot along the way. So if you are going to do it, you have to
do it the right way.
SN: Have there ever been any boxers that you knew were taking steroids
while you were fighting?
Well, there's no doubt some people were taking them, but I can't name
any names for you. I definitely know about some of the top fighters,
though. But just because you take them, doesn't mean you're going to
get better. You have to know how to take them, or what to do while
you're taking them, or otherwise it would just be a waste. But I want
to reiterate what I said before, in a professional sport you should
just be left alone. That's why people pay the big bucks to sit
ringside at a heavyweight championship fight, they want to see
somebody get hurt. People love violence, so call a spade a spade. Let
'em go, let 'em do what they want. It's not about what kind of example
we're setting for our children, because it's gonna be twenty fornicating
years before they are even playing baseball or whatever. So they'll
grow a brain between now and then, and by then it will be forgotten.
SN: Did you ever feel like you were cheating by using steroids?
Hell no. I thought I was doing myself and my family a service. I was
making myself a bigger and stronger person, and I loved it. It made me
feel like in the morning when I got out of bed I wanted to tear down
the wall. I was snorting like a bull, walking around the house. I
wanted to bang everything that moved. (Laughs)
SN: What do you say in response to those who argue that a fighter or
player who does not use steroids is almost pressured into taking them
for fear of not being able to compete on a level playing field?
I never did it out of a fear that I couldn't compete, I just looked at
it as bettering my chances. I looked around and from what I saw,
everybody was doing the same shit. It wasn't something that was talked
about openly, but when you looked around you could tell. Takes one to
know one, you know?
much of your professional boxing career, you used steroids. Can you
tell us when you started using them?
I can tell you when, but I won't say how (laughs). Actually, I got
into them a little bit in high school, but it was more in the pills,
the oral stuff. The injections and stuff wasn't until later. As far as
my professional career, probably around 1991. I used them not while I
was training, but in between bouts. I just want to make sure that is
clear.
SN: What kind of steroids did you stack and in what dosages?
Usually a CC of whatever I was taking. A lot of times they were oral,
some of them weren't, in the off time. The benefits were that it made
me more aggressive, like I needed that (laughs). It made me more
aggressive in every area of my life. I never went over the edge,
though, like some guys you hear about. I want everyone to know though,
and I learned early, that if you're going to do it, you have to keep a
cool head.
SN: What changes did you notice when you began using steroids?
You become bigger, faster, and stronger. That's the reason why
everyone does it. In order to compete, you have to do it too. That's
not something that was talked about, but I guarantee you that it was
never tested, so hell yeah people are going to do it.
SN: How do you think steroids would aid a professional boxer, or any
athlete in general?
Like I said, it just makes you bigger, faster, and stronger. It helps
with your endurance also, your recovery time between rounds. You
recover faster when you have that stuff in your system. The flip side
of that is that if you go over your boundaries, push yourself beyond
your limit, you'll never recover. That's why it's important that while
you do it, you have to train, you have to work out.
SN: In his book "Juiced," Jose Canseco reveals that he doesn't believe
that he would have even made it to the major leagues without the
benefit of steroids. How far do you think you would have gone in
professional boxing without them?
I wouldn't have gone as far as I did, I guarantee you that. I probably
would have fought as a cruiserweight. When I was in training, if I
didn't have that extra fifteen to twenty pounds, I would have fought
there. I always had the power and the speed, I just needed the
endurance, which was my problem.
SN: How were you able to avoid testing positive for steroid use during
your career?
Because they didn't test for steroids back then. They do now, I don't
know why, but they do. It's very expensive, and from what I hear, when
they test for something, they have to test for a specific type of
steroid. So if they don't know what they're testing for, they won't
figure out what you're on, unless you just offered it up to them.
SN: What is your opinion on the current steroid controversy
surrounding Major League Baseball? Is it much ado about nothing, or
should strict measures be taken to eliminate the use of performance
enhancing substances?
I think that in a professional sport the athlete should be able to do
what the hell they want. People need to just back off and let them be
what they want to be. That's why people spend the money to go to the
ballpark in the first place, to see somebody jack one out. If they
jack one out, maybe more people come to the ballpark, and maybe
they'll make more money. Know what I mean? That's it, in a nutshell.
College players, high school players, no it doesn't set a good
example, but those guys didn't ask to be examples, they didn't ask to
be role models. They just are. They're just trying to do what's best
for them, and everyone needs to stay out of their business.
SN: Do you think that asterisks should be added to the numerous
records that have been set in what has become known as "The Steroid
Era" in baseball?
Well you don't know what those guys back in the old days were doing
who set the records. Without positive proof, I don't see how they
could do something like that.
SN: While taking steroids or in the years since your boxing career
ended, have you had any noticeable side effects or health problems as
a result of your use? How do you explain the untimely deaths of some
athletes and former athletes who have died from problems allegedly
brought on by steroids?
Not one problem. Matter of fact, I still take testosterone as part of
my HIV treatment. As far as athletes, when I used them, I used them
under a doctor's supervision, and I knew a lot about them anyway. I
learned a lot along the way. So if you are going to do it, you have to
do it the right way.
SN: Have there ever been any boxers that you knew were taking steroids
while you were fighting?
Well, there's no doubt some people were taking them, but I can't name
any names for you. I definitely know about some of the top fighters,
though. But just because you take them, doesn't mean you're going to
get better. You have to know how to take them, or what to do while
you're taking them, or otherwise it would just be a waste. But I want
to reiterate what I said before, in a professional sport you should
just be left alone. That's why people pay the big bucks to sit
ringside at a heavyweight championship fight, they want to see
somebody get hurt. People love violence, so call a spade a spade. Let
'em go, let 'em do what they want. It's not about what kind of example
we're setting for our children, because it's gonna be twenty fornicating
years before they are even playing baseball or whatever. So they'll
grow a brain between now and then, and by then it will be forgotten.
SN: Did you ever feel like you were cheating by using steroids?
Hell no. I thought I was doing myself and my family a service. I was
making myself a bigger and stronger person, and I loved it. It made me
feel like in the morning when I got out of bed I wanted to tear down
the wall. I was snorting like a bull, walking around the house. I
wanted to bang everything that moved. (Laughs)
SN: What do you say in response to those who argue that a fighter or
player who does not use steroids is almost pressured into taking them
for fear of not being able to compete on a level playing field?
I never did it out of a fear that I couldn't compete, I just looked at
it as bettering my chances. I looked around and from what I saw,
everybody was doing the same shit. It wasn't something that was talked
about openly, but when you looked around you could tell. Takes one to
know one, you know?
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Morrison really is a moron, he seems incredibly similar to the dickhead he played in Rocky 5. Condones taking steroids and brags about it making him want to bang everything in sight, and doesn't even seem to see the irony. What a fornicating tool.
I enjoyed watching him fight though, especially when Lewis mashed him up.
I enjoyed watching him fight though, especially when Lewis mashed him up.
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Well, I agree with you to an extent; though I like his honesty. At least he is telling it as he saw it, none of that false apology you get when sports stars / actors get busted.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Morrison really is a moron, he seems incredibly similar to the dickhead he played in Rocky 5. Condones taking steroids and brags about it making him want to bang everything in sight, and doesn't even seem to see the irony. What a smeg tool.
I enjoyed watching him fight though, especially when Lewis mashed him up.
Morrsion is deluded though, and living on past glories.