Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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CompuBox Stats

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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Great performance

Canelo is still improving
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 10:19 Great performance

Canelo is still improving
Just seems to be getting better and better
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 06:02 CompuBox Stats

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Sheer dominance.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 01:45 Canelo is once in a lifetime fighter.. and he’s not boring in the ring either.. still young. In his prime. Has had 50+ fights now.

He just seems to be improving STILL!
Whoa whoa whoa,...pump the brakes there ruthless,,..
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Duran1970 wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 12:17
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 01:45 Canelo is once in a lifetime fighter.. and he’s not boring in the ring either.. still young. In his prime. Has had 50+ fights now.

He just seems to be improving STILL!
Whoa whoa whoa,...pump the brakes there ruthless,,..
:lol: Which part?
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Ya lost me with the first sentence
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Ya he looked good last night but the opposition offered up very little. He really hasn't fought anybody sans groves njikam..and really got beat by Ryder..
Alvarez a fine fighter for sure but one could argue that he lost Trout Lara Mayweather GGG X2...let's not mention the juice and carefully selected opponents
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 02:06
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 01:54 Andrade was just talking for no reason.

Some made sense..
Yeah, it was as if Andrade was trying to undermine Canelo’s pound-for-pound credentials, compelling him to randomly bark Matthew Hatton’s name, which was an opponent Alvarez faced a decade ago.

However, every single one of Andrade’s opponents for the last ten years has been appalling compared to Canelo’s.
Funny enough, his 2013 win over Vanes is arguably his best achievement.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Duran1970 wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 12:33 Ya he looked good last night but the opposition offered up very little. He really hasn't fought anybody sans groves njikam..and really got beat by Ryder..
Alvarez a fine fighter for sure but one could argue that he lost Trout Lara Mayweather GGG X2...let's not mention the juice and carefully selected opponents
How can you list carefully selected opponents and also claim he lost to Trout, Lara, Mayweather, and GGG twice? You can claim he’s a juicing loser but don’t pretend he hasn’t faced good opposition.

In addition to the names you’ve listed he’s defeated Danny Jacobs, Kovalev, Chavez Jr. (before he sucked), Liam Smith (who was undefeated), and an aging Shane Mosley and Cotto.

Is there anyone that is a consensus duck by Canelo? No one comes to mind.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Callum Smith explained the following to Boxing Social:

”[My arm] is füçkéd, to be honest with you,

“And it was intentional, because I knew from the first round... [Canelo] was aiming for my arm, every right hook he kept throwing [at it], he was going for my arm...

“And then after round four, I told [my corner] my arm is füçkêd,

“He kind of took away my catch left-hook, which is my best shot, which was probably [their plan]

“When he was hitting my arm, it was making my arm drop, rather than being able to return with it. He took [my best] shot away from me.

“And every credit to him, he knew what he was doing.

“After the twelfth round, he just looked [at it] and laughed at the swelling.

“It was just his experience... because he took away my best shot!”


The arm looked terrible immediately after the bout, but I bet it looks far worse today.

What’s interesting though, is that all the post-fight interviews were claiming Callum had tore either his bicep or tricep.

However, it’s very interesting to hear that the injury was intentionally inflicted by Canelo.

It just illustrates how intelligent Canelo really is, because most fighters would be impatient and target the head or body, but the Mexican was clearly playing the long game and instead prioritised on taking away his opponents’ primary weapon of choice. :TU:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:05 Callum Smith explained the following to Boxing Social:

”[My arm] is füçkéd, to be honest with you,

“And it was intentional, because I knew from the first round... [Canelo] was aiming for my arm, every right hook he kept throwing [at it], he was going for my arm...

“And then after round four, I told [my corner] my arm is füçkêd,

“He kind of took away my catch left-hook, which is my best shot, which was probably [their plan]

“When he was hitting my arm, it was making my arm drop, rather than being able to return with it. He took [my best] shot away from me.

“And every credit to him, he knew what he was doing.

“After the twelfth round, he just looked [at it] and laughed at the swelling.

“It was just his experience... because he took away my best shot!”
Do you have a point or deduction to share?
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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oogiebe wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:10
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:05 Callum Smith explained the following to Boxing Social:

”[My arm] is füçkéd, to be honest with you,

“And it was intentional, because I knew from the first round... [Canelo] was aiming for my arm, every right hook he kept throwing [at it], he was going for my arm...

“And then after round four, I told [my corner] my arm is füçkêd,

“He kind of took away my catch left-hook, which is my best shot, which was probably [their plan]

“When he was hitting my arm, it was making my arm drop, rather than being able to return with it. He took [my best] shot away from me.

“And every credit to him, he knew what he was doing.

“After the twelfth round, he just looked [at it] and laughed at the swelling.

“It was just his experience... because he took away my best shot!”
Do you have a point or deduction to share?
Read my post. You only quoted an extract of it, because the remainder clearly answers your question.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:13
oogiebe wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:10
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:05 Callum Smith explained the following to Boxing Social:

”[My arm] is füçkéd, to be honest with you,

“And it was intentional, because I knew from the first round... [Canelo] was aiming for my arm, every right hook he kept throwing [at it], he was going for my arm...

“And then after round four, I told [my corner] my arm is füçkêd,

“He kind of took away my catch left-hook, which is my best shot, which was probably [their plan]

“When he was hitting my arm, it was making my arm drop, rather than being able to return with it. He took [my best] shot away from me.

“And every credit to him, he knew what he was doing.

“After the twelfth round, he just looked [at it] and laughed at the swelling.

“It was just his experience... because he took away my best shot!”
Do you have a point or deduction to share?
Read my post. You only quoted an extract of it, because the remainder clearly answers your question.
So you added more in your post after I quoted the original text prior to editing. No worries.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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oogiebe wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:20
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:13
oogiebe wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:10
Do you have a point or deduction to share?
Read my post. You only quoted an extract of it, because the remainder clearly answers your question.
So you added more in your post after I quoted the original text prior to editing. No worries.
I don’t know what happened.

Anyway, hopefully you’ll understand the point I’ve made.

Canelo’s strategy to intentionally injure Smith’s arm seemed very clever and unorthodox to me.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:30
oogiebe wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:20
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 19:13
Read my post. You only quoted an extract of it, because the remainder clearly answers your question.
So you added more in your post after I quoted the original text prior to editing. No worries.
I don’t know what happened.

Anyway, hopefully you’ll understand the point I’ve made.

Canelo’s strategy to intentionally injure Smith’s arm seemed very clever and unorthodox to me.
I see now. :TU:
Maybe you were adding the last point when I first replied. All good.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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bobcatbox wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 14:09
Duran1970 wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 12:33 Ya he looked good last night but the opposition offered up very little. He really hasn't fought anybody sans groves njikam..and really got beat by Ryder..
Alvarez a fine fighter for sure but one could argue that he lost Trout Lara Mayweather GGG X2...let's not mention the juice and carefully selected opponents
How can you list carefully selected opponents and also claim he lost to Trout, Lara, Mayweather, and GGG twice? You can claim he’s a juicing loser but don’t pretend he hasn’t faced good opposition.

In addition to the names you’ve listed he’s defeated Danny Jacobs, Kovalev, Chavez Jr. (before he sucked), Liam Smith (who was undefeated), and an aging Shane Mosley and Cotto.

Is there anyone that is a consensus duck by Canelo? No one comes to mind.
Jacobs tail end of career, post cancer, everyone including my mother knew Kovalev was shot, Chavez Jr always sucked, Liam Smith? Seriously?, And you forgot an aging GGG, who he waited years to fight,,
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Amir khan?
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Duran1970 wrote: 20 Dec 2020, 21:10 Amir khan?
Lol I didn’t name Khan for a reason.

Jacobs could still fight when he faced Canelo.
Kov was def shot that’s fair.

The rest I’ll stand by. Including Liam. Canelo was young and Smith was considered a competitive 154 pounder.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Callum Smith - December 19, 2020

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Height didn't make a difference.
Canelo either dictated the 50/50 space or took it straight to Smith and cut it out all together.
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