Fury-Joshua terms agreed – Middle East bout during May/June!!!

[Enlightened-One]

Thoughts?

[My T Sharp]

Maybe they could walk in at the same time

[DrDuke]

A strange move for two British boxers to leave the UK. Anyway, if it really happens, it's no matter where. They can fight in Middle East or in Wild West, or in Zimbabwe, or in Vatican, just make it happen.

[Enlightened-One]

A strange move for two British boxers to leave the UK. Anyway, if it really happens, it's no matter where. They can fight in Middle East or in Wild West, or in Zimbabwe, or in Vatican, just make it happen.

Regional UK lockdown restrictions prevent many people from travelling.

And there are also crowd capacity constraints for live events that are likely to remain in place for the next six to twelve months, due to the amount of time it’ll take to vaccinate 67m people.

So there’s very little live gate receipt revenue forecasted for any imminent Joshua-Fury bout being staged in the UK.

If the event is staged in the middle east, it probably won’t be taxed and the wealth of those countries will enable them to pay a substantial fee for the right to host the fight.

[darkstar81]

Tragic this fight between two best UK heavyweights in years for the undisputed championship, all 4 belts on the line for first time ever, will happen outside the UK (especially tragic if it's in Saudi Arabia). Although without 90,000 fans in Wembley Stadium maybe it doesn't matter. Regardless - i'll take it if this fight can happen. Perhaps rematch in 2022 with fans at Wembley.

[margaret thatcher]

allahu akbar

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

These huge mid east fights typically dont happen when the first escrow payment needs to be made

But i hope it does!!

[margaret thatcher]

These huge mid east fights typically dont happen when the first escrow payment needs to be made

But i hope it does!!

ya most of these 'exotic' location fights never happen at all, but josh has fought in the middle east before so maybe there is more reason to think this one could happen

[oogiebe]

I get the COVID thing, but to have this fight NOT in the UK is criminal.

[Noxy]

I get the COVID thing, but to have this fight NOT in the UK is criminal.

Too right

[The Gratest]

Would the venue prove to be an advantage to either fighter? AJ's fought in front of huge crowds in the UK and seemingly taken it in his stride. However, they weren't against an opponent like Fury and of the magnitude of this fight. Some thought the pressure of fighting at MSG affected AJ. Would a stale atmosphere in the Middle East be to his advantage and negate some of the mental pressure?

[gilgamesh]

This fight not being in the U.K. means it shouldn't even take place in my opinion.

This is England's Heavyweight Championship Megafight of the ages. They deserve this fight. Nowhere else.

[margaret thatcher]

ya, i want it to be in england while i watch it in my basement

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Hauser wrote that if fury fights outside of uk and US his contracts with his promoters are possibly not enforceable

meaning fury thinks hes essentially a free agent if he fights in mid east so expect litigation

[Enlightened-One]

Hauser wrote that if fury fights outside of uk and US his contracts with his promoters are possibly not enforceable

meaning fury thinks hes essentially a free agent if he fights in mid east so expect litigation

The terms of Fury’s February 2019 deal with ESPN are probably out-dated and irrelevant.

The terms of the sharing of the broadcast rights amongst the various networks would have been negotiated and agreed as a prerequisite for the talks between both of the Fury-Joshua camps.

As reputable as Thomas Hauser may superficially seem, he often produces articles containing unsubstantiated claims, because click-bait attracts readers.

There’s every chance that the head honchos at ESPN want Fury to face Joshua more than The Gypsy King does, because of the resulting PPV revenue, coupled with the potential to gain control of a unified (or possibly undisputed) world heavyweight champion that will unquestionably be considered the top-dog of the division.

Fury beating Joshua will increase the market and revenue generation value of ESPN's most-prized pugilistic asset.

Basically, I’m saying there’s likely a revised legal agreement between ESPN and Fury’s handlers that expands the scope of their deal to include the middle east, even if it’s a newly agreed upon stipulation.

[eoghanmachin]

Thanks Dan for getting this one over the line

[bobcatbox]

Hauser wrote that if fury fights outside of uk and US his contracts with his promoters are possibly not enforceable

meaning fury thinks hes essentially a free agent if he fights in mid east so expect litigation

The terms of Fury’s February 2019 deal with ESPN are probably out-dated and irrelevant.

....

Basically, I’m saying there’s likely a revised legal agreement between ESPN and Fury’s handlers that expands the scope of their deal to include the middle east, even if it’s a newly agreed upon stipulation.

Is there any evidence of either of these or is that just an educated speculation?

Would almost be legal malpractice to draft Fury’s deals to only cover the US and UK lol. But hey worse and more exploitable mistakes have been made.

[Enlightened-One]

Hauser wrote that if fury fights outside of uk and US his contracts with his promoters are possibly not enforceable

meaning fury thinks hes essentially a free agent if he fights in mid east so expect litigation

The terms of Fury’s February 2019 deal with ESPN are probably out-dated and irrelevant.

....

Basically, I’m saying there’s likely a revised legal agreement between ESPN and Fury’s handlers that expands the scope of their deal to include the middle east, even if it’s a newly agreed upon stipulation.

Is there any evidence of either of these or is that just an educated speculation?

Would almost be legal malpractice to draft Fury’s deals to only cover the US and UK lol. But hey worse and more exploitable mistakes have been made.

Joseph Parker signed a deal with Top Rank that only gave Bob Arum the legal right to stage his fights in the US.

Amir Khan was also a PBC fighter when he competed on US shores, but was free to do whatever he damn well wanted elsewhere around the globe.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m guessing that it’s not uncommon for contracts to have scope or jurisdiction limitations based on geographical locations.

Anyway, Thomas Hauser made the claims and he’s been proven wrong before, so I don’t really know.

I personally doubt his claims are true, because the Middle East was always the very likely venue for the Fury-Joshua fight.

I’m referring to the claims previously conveyed by Bob Arum and Fræñk Wârrēñ.

And even if Hauser’s claims were true, then it’s relatively easy to revise an existing contract if both parties are in agreement with the changes.

Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather Jr. both had exclusive contracts with Showtime, but this didn’t stop them competing on HBO against Lennox Lewis and Manny Pacquiao respectively.

And I’m guessing Fury’s $100m deal is similarly flexible, because the AJ fight would have always been within the scope of his contracts with Top Rank and ESPN.

[candyslim]

Maybe they could walk in at the same time

That occurred to me but I don't think this'll be a problem. As enormous as Fury's ego is, I don't think he'd care about that and I don't think Joshua would be that bothered either.

A strange move for two British boxers to leave the UK. Anyway, if it really happens, it's no matter where. They can fight in Middle East or in Wild West, or in Zimbabwe, or in Vatican, just make it happen.

Regional UK lockdown restrictions prevent many people from travelling.

And there are also crowd capacity constraints for live events that are likely to remain in place for the next six to twelve months, due to the amount of time it’ll take to vaccinate 67m people.

So there’s very little live gate receipt revenue forecasted for any imminent Joshua-Fury bout being staged in the UK.

If the event is staged in the middle east, it probably won’t be taxed and the wealth of those countries will enable them to pay a substantial fee for the right to host the fight.

Exactly. It happens sometimes in football that two teams from the same country play each other in a final overseas. It would be nice if the fight were in the UK, but many is the time I've been absorbed in a fight on my TV screen and it takes a question from my wife before I realize I haven't a clue where it's taking place, and I'm sure it must have happened that I've not even known which country.

I just want to see an undisputed heavyweight title fight and if that means taking it to Saudi so be it, although I appreciate the sentiments expressed by Gil and Oogie et al.

allahu akbar

I hear plenty of people calling his name but I've never even seen the guy fight. Is he any good?

[Boxtune]

Can they host fight not in middle east ?!!! ...
They love to watch WWE, they think it's fake like wresling and they think Khabib Nourmagomodev beat Mcgroger because he praised to Allah, not because he was Sambo master early days.

[SteveO]

Some thought the pressure of fighting at MSG affected AJ. Would a stale atmosphere in the Middle East be to his advantage and negate some of the mental pressure?

Don't forget AJ beat Ruiz in Saudi Arabia last year.

[Onetimeonly]

Haven't seen anything on this past eo. Hope he's not up to his habitual lying again.