Crawford vs. Porter

[Bandog]

Will it happen? Porter says he is willing, and if Crawford says yes it will happen. He said he prefers Crawford over a Spence rematch next. More realistic to me than Crawford vs Pac.

https://www.BS.com/shawn-porte ... en--154293

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Pbc guys are their own boss so lets see it happen

[DrDuke]

Crawford should take this fight. He mustn't continue wasting his prime years on mismatches. He can whoop everyone in the division, why not to make it finally?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Pbc guys are their own boss so lets see it happen

Yeh, but they’re ‘strongly advised’..

Jermall was offered $7m by Hearn and they never got back..

[Onetimeonly]

I definitely don't believe hear on Andrew/charlio. I can't open the link but I'd bet it's an old blog. No, I don't think they're fighting.

[Ruthless-RKO]

"I’m not taking a million,” said Porter to The Porter Way Podcast. “I’ve done the best I could in sending a message to Bob Arum, and I also know people that know Bob.

“I’ve told them, ‘Tell Mr. Arum, I don’t mean any disrespect, and I know he doesn’t. If you’re going to low ball me, don’t do it. If you feel that’s how you get out of fighting me, that’s weak.

“Don’t do it. However, if you want to make the fight happen, don’t lowball me. It's clear they scared of me, he's ducking me. Khan got 5 million on their fight. I’m worth more than a million dollars. F a million dollars. I’m going to keep it as clean as possible, but I’m not fighting Terence Crawford for 1 million dollars,” said Porter.

[Enlightened-One]

Crawford didn’t seem interested in fighting Porter a year ago:

“That’s not a fight that I’m focused on right now or even worried about,”said Crawford to DAZN about a fight between him and Porter.

“I’m focused on other things right now. If we had to fight and if it made sense, then that would be a fight that we would both agree upon. But right now, I feel like that’s not something we should discuss right now, because there’s nothing on the table for me,” said Crawford.

And this is what Crawford told Porter around the end of July:

Porter also talked about a meeting he had with the WBO titlist. Crawford, in no uncertain terms, nixed the idea of a bout for now. But he made sure to let Porter know that no ducking was taking place.

“He said it. ‘everybody’s gotta fight everybody,’ ” Porter recalled. “He looked at me and said, ‘I don’t care about fighting nobody. I don’t care who it is….but, right now, I don’t think it’s gonna be me and you. ‘ I said ‘alright, cool.'”

The lowball offer does imply that Top Rank isn’t really interested in Shawn Porter right now. It could simply be a PR stunt to allow Bob Arum to dishonestly claim they at least tried to make the fight.

Hopefully I’m wrong and Top Rank submits a revised offer, but Porter has been calling out Crawford for quite some time now, yet Bud has chosen to take an easier path.

Perhaps Crawford’s $3m minimum guaranteed purse, coupled with his low audience figures, makes it commercially unfeasible to pay Bud’s big-name rivals a decent purse?

It doesn’t really make sense for Bob to keep losing money on a fighter that is likely to leave Top Rank in October.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Perhaps Crawford’s $3m minimum guaranteed purse, coupled with his low audience figures, makes it commercially unfeasible to pay Bud’s big-name rivals a decent purse?

You keep saying this. It's not accurate. He has one of the best figures today..

[Onetimeonly]

Perhaps Crawford’s $3m minimum guaranteed purse, coupled with his low audience figures, makes it commercially unfeasible to pay Bud’s big-name rivals a decent purse?

You keep saying this. It's not accurate. He has one of the best figures today..

Made even odder by the fact that he's the only one ever bringing it up. Reminding people how wrong he is.

[Enlightened-One]

Perhaps Crawford’s $3m minimum guaranteed purse, coupled with his low audience figures, makes it commercially unfeasible to pay Bud’s big-name rivals a decent purse?

You keep saying this. It's not accurate. He has one of the best figures today..

The average for the Kownacki-Helenius PBC fight card televised by Fox achieved 1.533m viewers (headlined by fringe contenders that are fairly anonymous names), exceeded the 1.481m average for the ESPN's Crawford-Kavaliasuskas event.

I could find more examples to illustrate my point, but all I'll be doing is furnishing you with numbers I've already supplied during previous discussions.

To meet you halfway, I’ll concede that Crawford’s viewing figures are fairly decent in comparison to “normal” fighters, but he’s paid a $3m guarantee, which means that Top Rank are losing money staging his events.

So, in the context of him being one of the sports’ biggest earners and also a top-three rated pound-for-pounder, then his viewing figures are low and shouldn’t be considered as a commercially big draw.

[Enlightened-One]

Made even odder by the fact that he's the only one ever bringing it up. Reminding people how wrong he is.

Care to address this fact? Or will you instead remain silent?

The average for the Kownacki-Helenius PBC fight card televised by Fox achieved 1.533m viewers (headlined by fringe contenders that are fairly anonymous names), exceeded the 1.481m average for the ESPN's Crawford-Kavaliasuskas event.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Perhaps Crawford’s $3m minimum guaranteed purse, coupled with his low audience figures, makes it commercially unfeasible to pay Bud’s big-name rivals a decent purse?

You keep saying this. It's not accurate. He has one of the best figures today..

The average for the Kownacki-Helenius PBC fight card televised by Fox achieved 1.533m viewers (headlined by fringe contenders that are fairly anonymous names), exceeded the 1.481m average for the ESPN's Crawford-Kavaliasuskas event.

Crawford-Kava fight peaked 1.512 million viewers

Also, won't you agree that FOX has a wider audience than ESPN?

[gilgamesh]

You keep saying this. It's not accurate. He has one of the best figures today..

The average for the Kownacki-Helenius PBC fight card televised by Fox achieved 1.533m viewers (headlined by fringe contenders that are fairly anonymous names), exceeded the 1.481m average for the ESPN's Crawford-Kavaliasuskas event.

Crawford-Kava fight peaked 1.512 million viewers

Also, won't you agree that FOX has a wider audience than ESPN?

They should, but to be honest. Most of the time when a fight was gonna be on just plain Fox. I didn't even know about it. No promotion of it whatsoever.

[bobcatbox]

Crawford should take this fight. He mustn't continue wasting his prime years on mismatches. He can whoop everyone in the division, why not to make it finally?

And a dominant whooping over Porter makes Spence look even more chicken. I wanna see it.

Crawford is all wrong for Porter. He comes in with that suffocating style and he’ll eat something that will put him on the canvas.

[Enlightened-One]

You keep saying this. It's not accurate. He has one of the best figures today..

The average for the Kownacki-Helenius PBC fight card televised by Fox achieved 1.533m viewers (headlined by fringe contenders that are fairly anonymous names), exceeded the 1.481m average for the ESPN's Crawford-Kavaliasuskas event.

Crawford-Kava fight peaked 1.512 million viewers

Also, won't you agree that FOX has a wider audience than ESPN?

I agree with that, but to reiterate a point I previously conveyed in this thread...

The peak viewing figures for the Brook fight are 26% down from the equivalent numbers Crawford achieved for the Benavidez bout (both non-PPV events).

Crawford’s average viewership for the Kavaliauskas bout was 40% less than the equivalent statistic he achieved against Benavidez.

On a side note, Vasyl Lomachenko's viewing figures have increased over the same timeframe (i.e. since 2018)... and he has the same promoter and network that Crawford uses.

Despite the combined total guaranteed minimum purses being 27% less than the equivalent sums being paid to Crawford & Brook, the peak viewership for the Lomachenko-Lopez bout was 39% bigger.

So you have two fighters working with the same promoter and same network. One of them seems to be growing in popularity, whereas the other appears to be losing their audience.

And when you compare the resume’s of Lomachenko and Crawford since the start of 2018, it doesn’t take a genius to understand the reason why this is happening.

Top Rank are losing money on promoting Terence Crawford, because his purses are disproportionately large in comparison to his viewing audience figures.

Anonymous cheap fringe contenders like Kownacki-Helenius, are achieving better or roughly the equivalent viewing figures than Crawford is achieving.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The average for the Kownacki-Helenius PBC fight card televised by Fox achieved 1.533m viewers (headlined by fringe contenders that are fairly anonymous names), exceeded the 1.481m average for the ESPN's Crawford-Kavaliasuskas event.

Crawford-Kava fight peaked 1.512 million viewers

Also, won't you agree that FOX has a wider audience than ESPN?

I agree with that, but to reiterate a point I previously conveyed in this thread...

The peak viewing figures for the Brook fight are 26% down from the equivalent numbers Crawford achieved for the Benavidez bout (both non-PPV events).

Crawford’s average viewership for the Kavaliauskas bout was 40% less than the equivalent statistic he achieved against Benavidez.

On a side note, Vasyl Lomachenko's viewing figures have increased over the same timeframe (i.e. since 2018)... and he has the same promoter and network that Crawford uses.

Despite the combined total guaranteed minimum purses being 27% less than the equivalent sums being paid to Crawford & Brook, the peak viewership for the Lomachenko-Lopez bout was 39% bigger.

So you have two fighters working with the same promoter and same network. One of them seems to be growing in popularity, whereas the other appears to be losing their audience.

And when you compare the resume’s of Lomachenko and Crawford since the start of 2018, it doesn’t take a genius to understand the reason why this is happening.

Top Rank are losing money on promoting Terence Crawford, because his purses are disproportionately large in comparison to his viewing audience figures.

Of course, the better the opposition, the more fans will tune into it. He's not been in must-see fights recently where fans are probably thinking, it's not a priority to watch it live.

[Enlightened-One]

Crawford-Kava fight peaked 1.512 million viewers

Also, won't you agree that FOX has a wider audience than ESPN?

I agree with that, but to reiterate a point I previously conveyed in this thread...

The peak viewing figures for the Brook fight are 26% down from the equivalent numbers Crawford achieved for the Benavidez bout (both non-PPV events).

Crawford’s average viewership for the Kavaliauskas bout was 40% less than the equivalent statistic he achieved against Benavidez.

On a side note, Vasyl Lomachenko's viewing figures have increased over the same timeframe (i.e. since 2018)... and he has the same promoter and network that Crawford uses.

Despite the combined total guaranteed minimum purses being 27% less than the equivalent sums being paid to Crawford & Brook, the peak viewership for the Lomachenko-Lopez bout was 39% bigger.

So you have two fighters working with the same promoter and same network. One of them seems to be growing in popularity, whereas the other appears to be losing their audience.

And when you compare the resume’s of Lomachenko and Crawford since the start of 2018, it doesn’t take a genius to understand the reason why this is happening.

Top Rank are losing money on promoting Terence Crawford, because his purses are disproportionately large in comparison to his viewing audience figures.

Of course, the better the opposition, the more fans will tune into it. He's not been in must-see fights recently where fans are probably thinking, it's not a priority to watch it live.

Agreed!

And let's not forget that Crawford is unwilling to take a pay cut to secure bouts against big-names, even if they're staged behind-closed doors:

“Just don’t try and tell me I have to take a pay cut because of a pandemic,” Crawford said during a recent appearance on “The Last Stand Podcast.” “I don’t feel that’s right when I’ve already went through what I had to go through coming up.

“Now you’re telling me go back to Ground 1 and take a pay cut. I just don’t feel like I can do that.”

Top Rank are losing money promoting Terence Crawford. He isn't attracting good enough viewing figures to justify his sizable paydays, because the calibre of his opposition is poor.

However, Bob Arum is clearly unwilling to lose even more money paying for decent foes, due to Crawford's unwillingness to compromise his guaranteed purse demands.

And despite typically attracting a smaller viewing audience, much lower PPV buy-rates, possessing fewer titles and a weaker resume at 147lbs, Terence Crawford is on video claiming that his main priority is to face Manny Pacquiao and that he’d have to be paid 60% of the total purse pot in order to face Spence Jr.

[gilgamesh]

In other words he's happy coasting by the rest of his career on his accomplishments, and doesn't feel the need to prove anything further.

That's why he's not P4P #1 or even #2. He's barely Top 5.

Ability wise, yes he can hang with anybody, but at some point you have to prove your potential, and he doesn't want to.

[Onetimeonly]

I've had him #1 for years. You had loma there where he didn't belong. If you want to argue resume then it's canelo.

[Enlightened-One]

I've had him #1 for years. You had loma there where he didn't belong. If you want to argue resume then it's canelo.

Two questions:

• Do you still consider Crawford the best pound-for-pounder on the planet, despite being a 33-year-old fighter that hasn’t achieved anything notable since his twenties?

• And what are your thoughts about the calibre of opposition Crawford has faced since August 2017?

[golden_labrador]

would like to see what Crawford does with Vergil Ortiz in the meantime. I saw Ortiz fight last year and was impressed

[Enlightened-One]

Terence Crawford’s trainer, Brian McIntyre, has apparently told Boxing Scene that the purse pot between Bud and Manny Pacquiao would have to be split down the middle, “50/50” for either guy, in order for the fight to be made.

This is one of the most delusional things I’ve ever read.

Manny Pacquiao is the proverbial A-side to the entire welterweight division.

Everybody knows that Crawford isn’t at the level of commercial popularity to demand a 50-50 purse split with Pacquiao.

And let’s not forget that Crawford has also claimed that if he doesn’t receive a 60% purse split, he’ll refuse to face Errol Spence Jr.

Terence Crawford’s best win since August 2017 came against Jeff Horn! FFS!!!

[Onetimeonly]

would like to see what Crawford does with Vergil Ortiz in the meantime. I saw Ortiz fight last year and was impressed

That and the Taylor/Ramirez winner are his best bets if he's with arum. The latter is a better fight than Porter.

[gregregegg]

Crawford offering Porter a million is basicaly the end of my hope in Crawford ever fighting top welters. He has offered porter 1 million for what is most likely a beating, when porter supposedly last fight made over that, beating a noone euro when porter was coming of a loss.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Crawford offering Porter a million is basicaly the end of my hope in Crawford ever fighting top welters. He has offered porter 1 million for what is most likely a beating, when porter supposedly last fight made over that, beating a noone euro when porter was coming of a loss.

Yeh. Prior to Khan, they offered $3m to DSG.. plus PPV upside. But Angel didn’t get back to them. So called self-managed boxers.

They then wasted $5m on Khan. And now recently $2m on Brook.