Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 16:02
Why do you keep posting ratings that are wrong?
I've already addressed this post in another thread.
Can you not read?
Is the truth hurting you too much? Golovkin fought top 10 Ring Magazine rated fighters at mw including the 'crème de la crème' of them at that particularly time in Jacobs and 2XCanelo!
Careful, EO can lift more than AJ and run faster than Broner.
Yeah, he even can levitate a few seconds up from his armchair when he's far.rting hard and repeatedly.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 16:02
Why do you keep posting ratings that are wrong?
I've already addressed this post in another thread.
Can you not read?
You didn't address sh*t. You pointed out what you wished was true instead of what is true. All of these guys were in fact Ring Magazine rated Top 10 guys at the time GGG fought them.
For some reason you really don't like Golovkin, and want to cut him down as if he's never accomplished anything. I don't know what your beef is with him, but it's ridiculous.
Nobody ever said he was the greatest Middleweight of all time, but he ain't just some bum either.
Do you have ten fingers?
And can you also count to ten?
If so, I’ll try and keep things simple for you, by focussing on just one the incorrect claims.
The following fighters were rated above Curtis Stevens by The RING during 2013:
1) Sergio Martinez
2) Gennady Golovkin
3) Darren Barker
4) Daniel Geale
5) Felix Sturm
6) Peter Quillin
7) Martin Murray
8) Matthew Macklin
9) Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
10) Marco Antonio Rubio
Here’s a hyperlink of the archived web page of The RING’s middleweight rankings extracted on the 15th October 2013, with GGG fighting Curtis Stevens on the 2nd November 2013.
Therefore, how on earth can Curtis Stevens possibly be considered by The RING as a top-ten world-rated middleweight when GGG fought him, when they believed that ten fighters were better than him?
Most of Apollo Creed’s ratings are wrong, either because he simply made a mistake, or he forget to consider The RING champion.
I bet you feel rather silly now, because the person you apparently despise has once gain proven you wrong. And it just keeps happening over-and-over again! It must really frustrate you!!!
Hey that's right! Marco Antonio Rubio was a Top 10 opponent too. Thanks for adding another one to the list.
A special shout to EO for adding another Top 10 opponent to the list that I'd forgotten about.
Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
You didn't address sh*t. You pointed out what you wished was true instead of what is true. All of these guys were in fact Ring Magazine rated Top 10 guys at the time GGG fought them.
For some reason you really don't like Golovkin, and want to cut him down as if he's never accomplished anything. I don't know what your beef is with him, but it's ridiculous.
Nobody ever said he was the greatest Middleweight of all time, but he ain't just some bum either.
Do you have ten fingers?
And can you also count to ten?
If so, I’ll try and keep things simple for you, by focussing on just one the incorrect claims.
The following fighters were rated above Curtis Stevens by The RING during 2013:
1) Sergio Martinez
2) Gennady Golovkin
3) Darren Barker
4) Daniel Geale
5) Felix Sturm
6) Peter Quillin
7) Martin Murray
8) Matthew Macklin
9) Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
10) Marco Antonio Rubio
Here’s a hyperlink of the archived web page of The RING’s middleweight rankings extracted on the 15th October 2013, with GGG fighting Curtis Stevens on the 2nd November 2013.
Therefore, how on earth can Curtis Stevens possibly be considered by The RING as a top-ten world-rated middleweight when GGG fought him, when they believed that ten fighters were better than him?
Most of Apollo Creed’s ratings are wrong, either because he simply made a mistake, or he forget to consider The RING champion.
I bet you feel rather silly now, because the person you apparently despise has once gain proven you wrong. And it just keeps happening over-and-over again! It must really frustrate you!!!
Hey that's right! Marco Antonio Rubio was a Top 10 opponent too. Thanks for adding another one to the list.
I’ve acknowledged Rubio’s rating as far back as 2016, when I joined the forum.
Anyway, you adamantly claimed that I was wishing something was true, when in fact I simply cited reality, which I backed up with evidence.
Do you care to retract your derogatory claims about me?
Sergio Martinez was the Champion, therefore Curtis Stevens was in fact ranked 10.
Deal with it.
I have a life. I don't feel the need to write books, and spend hours and hours of research to try to win an internet argument. I was alive at the time, and Following the sport, and I know who was who and what was what.
Your next novel ain't gonna change that.
Hell maybe you'll accidentally dig up a 12th Top 10 opponent that Golovkin beat by trying to prove me wrong. I believe in you.
So Golovkin wanting to keep his IBF belt meant he had to defend against Kamil, correct? and you said GGG;s team pushed the mando forward? That's not a bad thing is it? I've seen that happen before, he just got the mando out of the way before it was called on him.. That not true?
Szeremeta was the IBF’s number 3 ranked challenger that never competed in a final eliminator. He’d never beaten a world-rated opponent either.
And Tom Loeffler told the media they were planning to lobby the IBF to instate him as GGG’s mandatory challenger, because they wanted Golovkin to have the freedom of choice to pick-and-choose future opponents.
And we also know for sure that Team GGG previously tried, but failed, to make the Szeremeta fight before the Polish fighter became the IBF’s mandatory.
And excluding Canelo, what top-five (ESPN, The RING and TBRB) world-rated opponents has GGG faced since March 2017?
I just think it’s time for GGG to prove he still has it by fighting an elite-level opponent.
He needs to prove he’s worthy of the praise, hype and admiration.
He already proved it a long time ago.
Very true. eo desperately wants to see a 40 y/o past of his prime Golovkin to get defeated by a younger fighter just to come here on this forum and be over the moon with his ol' boring bs.
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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 05:34
Szeremeta was the IBF’s number 3 ranked challenger that never competed in a final eliminator. He’d never beaten a world-rated opponent either.
And Tom Loeffler told the media they were planning to lobby the IBF to instate him as GGG’s mandatory challenger, because they wanted Golovkin to have the freedom of choice to pick-and-choose future opponents.
And we also know for sure that Team GGG previously tried, but failed, to make the Szeremeta fight before the Polish fighter became the IBF’s mandatory.
And excluding Canelo, what top-five (ESPN, The RING and TBRB) world-rated opponents has GGG faced since March 2017?
I just think it’s time for GGG to prove he still has it by fighting an elite-level opponent.
He needs to prove he’s worthy of the praise, hype and admiration.
He already proved it a long time ago.
Very true. eo desperately wants to see a 40 y/o past of his prime Golovkin to get defeat by a younger fighter just to come here on this forum and be over the moon with his ol' boring bs.
And he'll get his wish I'm sure. Unless GGG retires in the very near future he'll definitely lose at some point soon to some young cat. That's the nature of the beast in Boxing. Age catches up to everybody if they hang around long enough.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Dec 2020, 05:34
Szeremeta was the IBF’s number 3 ranked challenger that never competed in a final eliminator. He’d never beaten a world-rated opponent either.
And Tom Loeffler told the media they were planning to lobby the IBF to instate him as GGG’s mandatory challenger, because they wanted Golovkin to have the freedom of choice to pick-and-choose future opponents.
And we also know for sure that Team GGG previously tried, but failed, to make the Szeremeta fight before the Polish fighter became the IBF’s mandatory.
And excluding Canelo, what top-five (ESPN, The RING and TBRB) world-rated opponents has GGG faced since March 2017?
I just think it’s time for GGG to prove he still has it by fighting an elite-level opponent.
He needs to prove he’s worthy of the praise, hype and admiration.
He already proved it a long time ago.
Very true. eo desperately wants to see a 40 y/o past of his prime Golovkin looking bad and get defeated by a younger fighter just to come here on this forum and be over the moon with his ol' boring bs.
he's fvcking slavering over it. He's written most of the posts already and saved them so he an just C&P onto the forum
apollo creed wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 15:47Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Deal with it!
Why do you keep posting ratings that are wrong?
I've already addressed this post in another thread.
Can you not read?
You didn't address sh*t. You pointed out what you wished was true instead of what is true. All of these guys were in fact Ring Magazine rated Top 10 guys at the time GGG fought them.
For some reason you really don't like Golovkin, and want to cut him down as if he's never accomplished anything. I don't know what your beef is with him, but it's ridiculous.
Nobody ever said he was the greatest Middleweight of all time, but he ain't just some bum either.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Dec 2020, 22:00
mung is still raw defensively and lacks the jab of ggg, but offensively he's an explosive fighter with fast combinations and every power punch in the book, and is a lot fresher than ggg, i think he's bound to at least land some heavy leather
Oh for sure. He won't go down without a fight.
Landing punches on GGG has never been a problem for anyone. Hitting GGG without getting hit is the problem for everyone.
I hope Mung vs GGG happens.
All but certain to be a fun fight, a fight GGG will win by stoppage and would be one of his best wins.
Munguia is sgnificantly younger(14 years)undefeated and a former title holder who vacated his belt to move up a division.
Beating that guy is a big win on the resume of any veteran boxer.
Somebody will try to say Munguia is just another blown up super welter. I'm not sold on that........ I think Munguia is a young man who grew out of that division and is a legit middleweight.
Along with that GGG is past his best but not a spent bullet. There is a difference.
Youngster on the rise vs aging vet: almost always an interesting match up.
It would be an action-packed fight for sure. Munguia is a big young top 10 Ring Magazine mw. Very entertaining fight.
He did actually. Not officially, but I saw the fights, and he won 'em both. The 1st one clear. The 2nd one was at least debatable.
Don't think we were discussing Top 10 opponents he'd beat anyway, just ones he'd faced.
When I know what I saw, it doesn't really matter to me what the official judges said. I trust my own eyes and knowledge of the sport more than obviously corruptible judges. Just like I'll die knowing Jose Luis Castillo beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. Just like I'll die knowing Tyson Cave beat Oscar Escandon. Just like I'll die knowing Emanuel Augustus beat Courtney Burton in their first fight.
My eyes saw the truth. My brain understands it. It's been proven time and time again that judges can easily be corrupted and often are.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 02:18
He was ring rated, a ring magazine top 10 contender.....nothing but facts
true
The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 2013
Sergio Gabriel Martinez, Champion
Gennady Golovkin
Felix Sturm
Daniel Geale
Peter Quillin
Darren Barker
Matthew Macklin
Martin Murray
Marco Antonio Rubio
Max Bursak 10 Curtis Stevens
Golovkin fought Stevens in 2013. But it's not about only one fighter here. Let's not forget that Golovkin fought better rated opponents by Ring Magazine as I posted before. Facts!:TU:
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 10:13
A special shout to EO for adding another Top 10 opponent to the list that I'd forgotten about.
Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 10:30
Not retracting anything. You're wrong.
Sergio Martinez was the Champion, therefore Curtis Stevens was in fact ranked 10.
Deal with it.
I have a life. I don't feel the need to write books, and spend hours and hours of research to try to win an internet argument. I was alive at the time, and Following the sport, and I know who was who and what was what.
Your next novel ain't gonna change that.
Hell maybe you'll accidentally dig up a 12th Top 10 opponent that Golovkin beat by trying to prove me wrong. I believe in you.
Pretty sure eo is digging up a lot. Imagine eo finding that GGG's former opponents were all top 10 Ring Magazine rated. lol
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Dec 2020, 10:13
A special shout to EO for adding another Top 10 opponent to the list that I'd forgotten about.
Grzegorz Proksa - 2012 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Curtis Stevens - 2013 No. 10 by Ring Magazine
Matthew Macklin - 2013 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Geale - 2014 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
David Lemieux - 2015 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Daniel Jacobs - 2017 No. 2 by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2017 Champion by Ring Magazine
Saul Alvarez - 2018 Champion by Ring Magazine
Sergiy Derevyanchenko - 2019 No. 4 by Ring Magazine
Kamil Szeremeta - 2020 No. 6 by Ring Magazine
And now Marco Antonio Rubio
So that's 11 Top 10 opponents.
wow! I'm impressed! eo is doing a good job!
Yay EO! I'm glad to see EO has added yet another top 10 fighter to GGG's list of defences.
Very true. eo desperately wants to see a 40 y/o past of his prime Golovkin looking bad and get defeated by a younger fighter just to come here on this forum and be over the moon with his ol' boring bs.
he's fvcking slavering over it. He's written most of the posts already and saved them so he an just C&P onto the forum
lucky us.....
True. He's fingering his butthole just when he's thinking about that.lol
Very true. eo desperately wants to see a 40 y/o past of his prime Golovkin looking bad and get defeated by a younger fighter just to come here on this forum and be over the moon with his ol' boring bs.
he's fvcking slavering over it. He's written most of the posts already and saved them so he an just C&P onto the forum
lucky us.....
True. He's fingering his butthole just when he's thinking about that.lol
His latest move is C&P'ing his post again and again to get attention when he's being ignored. Poor lad is imploding at this very moment.
