Big punching former British Heavyweight Title challenger Pele Reid has stated an interest in making a comeback in the Boxing ring according to a report in todays Boxing News.
Pele claims that he has toughened up a lot since his last Boxing fight due to his involvement in Thai Boxing and K1.
I still think he is too fragile for the likes of Williams, Skelton and Gammer but maybe he could get a match with the likes of Harrison, Baker, McDermott or Steeds?
KOJOE90 wrote:Big punching former British Heavyweight Title challenger Pele Reid has stated an interest in making a comeback in the Boxing ring according to a report in todays Boxing News.
Pele claims that he has toughened up a lot since his last Boxing fight due to his involvement in Thai Boxing and K1.
I still think he is too fragile for the likes of Williams, Skelton and Gammer but maybe he could get a match with the likes of Harrison, Baker, McDermott or Steeds?
I would'nt put Gammer in the same category as Skelton and definately not Williams!!!!
As for Pele making a comeback.I'am pretty sure he can still hold his own in domestic circles.But nothing ,ore than that.
I like Pele, lovely guy, but i expected a lot more from him in K1... he didnt seem to have a punch anymore.... didnt hurt anyone...
He seems to have messed himself up swapping sports....
I remember seeing Pele in one of his K1 fights , and it was stopped due to a cut on his leg, it was one of the worst cuts i've seen, like a gaping hole in his shin.
I don't follow K1 much, but did Pele have many fights since finishing with boxing?
knockout wrote:I like Pele, lovely guy, but i expected a lot more from him in K1... he didnt seem to have a punch anymore.... didnt hurt anyone...
He seems to have messed himself up swapping sports....
It's the stance thing no doubt. You need a totally different stance for kick boxing. I think most boxers would do better keeping the same stance and just trying to punch the shit out of their adversaries, and learn a little big of inside work with the knees.
I saw Botha fighting that Dutch dude, and he was giving him a right mullering. The guy kicked him in the head and then they stopped the fight I think, but I had botha winning it.
Thing is, most kickboxers aren't going to be prepared for someone who can hurt them with combination punching, but it's hard to get close to someone who is kneeing you in the sides and kicking you in the chest when you try to get close.
Boxers are never going to be great kickers, and if they focus to much on kicking, they will lose their advantage which is their punch power. A good standard boxer in theory should hit hard enough to stop a kickboxer with 1 shot, especially as they are not used to defending against punches so much.
Andre Orlovsky, who until recently was the Ultimate Fighting top boy at heavyweight, was pretty much a stand up boxer, with frightening speed and power, but with some matwork and kicks thrown in. I saw him Ice some guys with wicked punches, and would fancy him to have been a good heavyweight had he turned to traditional boxing.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Andre Orlovsky, who until recently was the Ultimate Fighting top boy at heavyweight, was pretty much a stand up boxer, with frightening speed and power, but with some matwork and kicks thrown in. I saw him Ice some guys with wicked punches, and would fancy him to have been a good heavyweight had he turned to traditional boxing.
Arlovski has excellent stand up but is very well versed in Russian Sambo as well as having good jui jitsu for a big man.
He is athletic and likes to kickbox where he can but his title win over Sylvia was an excellent example of transitioning in mma - he dropped the big un' with a hard right hand, tried to punch the downed fighter from in his guard but then quickly switched to a fight ending leg lock.
Thats the thing with modern MMA - you have to be decent at all aspects of the sport - one trick ponys get found out in the long run.
For those who are sold on MMA take a look at UFC 61 on Bravo this sunday night - at least the matches are genrally more even then most boxing cards and you can see some good action (interspersed with a few boring rounds of 'lay and pray')
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Andre Orlovsky, who until recently was the Ultimate Fighting top boy at heavyweight, was pretty much a stand up boxer, with frightening speed and power, but with some matwork and kicks thrown in. I saw him Ice some guys with wicked punches, and would fancy him to have been a good heavyweight had he turned to traditional boxing.
Arlovski has excellent stand up but is very well versed in Russian Sambo as well as having good jui jitsu for a big man.
He is athletic and likes to kickbox where he can but his title win over Sylvia was an excellent example of transitioning in mma - he dropped the big un' with a hard right hand, tried to punch the downed fighter from in his guard but then quickly switched to a fight ending leg lock.
Thats the thing with modern MMA - you have to be decent at all aspects of the sport - one trick ponys get found out in the long run.
For those who are sold on MMA take a look at UFC 61 on Bravo this sunday night - at least the matches are genrally more even then most boxing cards and you can see some good action (interspersed with a few boring rounds of 'lay and pray')
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Andre Orlovsky, who until recently was the Ultimate Fighting top boy at heavyweight, was pretty much a stand up boxer, with frightening speed and power, but with some matwork and kicks thrown in. I saw him Ice some guys with wicked punches, and would fancy him to have been a good heavyweight had he turned to traditional boxing.
Arlovski has excellent stand up but is very well versed in Russian Sambo as well as having good jui jitsu for a big man.
He is athletic and likes to kickbox where he can but his title win over Sylvia was an excellent example of transitioning in mma - he dropped the big un' with a hard right hand, tried to punch the downed fighter from in his guard but then quickly switched to a fight ending leg lock.
Thats the thing with modern MMA - you have to be decent at all aspects of the sport - one trick ponys get found out in the long run.
For those who are sold on MMA take a look at UFC 61 on Bravo this sunday night - at least the matches are genrally more even then most boxing cards and you can see some good action (interspersed with a few boring rounds of 'lay and pray')
WTF is russian sambo??
Cue inappropriate joke, where's Jim Davidson when you need him eh?
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Andre Orlovsky, who until recently was the Ultimate Fighting top boy at heavyweight, was pretty much a stand up boxer, with frightening speed and power, but with some matwork and kicks thrown in. I saw him Ice some guys with wicked punches, and would fancy him to have been a good heavyweight had he turned to traditional boxing.
Arlovski has excellent stand up but is very well versed in Russian Sambo as well as having good jui jitsu for a big man.
He is athletic and likes to kickbox where he can but his title win over Sylvia was an excellent example of transitioning in mma - he dropped the big un' with a hard right hand, tried to punch the downed fighter from in his guard but then quickly switched to a fight ending leg lock.
Thats the thing with modern MMA - you have to be decent at all aspects of the sport - one trick ponys get found out in the long run.
For those who are sold on MMA take a look at UFC 61 on Bravo this sunday night - at least the matches are genrally more even then most boxing cards and you can see some good action (interspersed with a few boring rounds of 'lay and pray')
Yeah Im looking forward to UFC 61. Did you see the English lad, Michael Bisping win the Ultimate Fighter 3? - the lad is a killer.
In terms of UFC and their heavyweight division, it isnt particularly impressive. Pride boasts a much better bunch with the likes of Fedor and 'Cro Cop'.
MMA is the future. It is proper fighting.
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liamlion wrote:
Yeah Im looking forward to UFC 61. Did you see the English lad, Michael Bisping win the Ultimate Fighter 3? - the lad is a killer.
MMA is the future. It is proper fighting.
Bisping did really well and has a fan friendly style - he even thru in a effective flying knee in the final against that red neck Josh Haynes. He likes to trade on the feet and has ‘sick’ jiu jitsu as the yanks say..
MMA is certainly growing massively in popularity in the states and to a lesser extent here. It captures that all-important 18-35 yr old male demographic that advertisers love (whilst boxing is watched by a sadly aging fan base.)
I enjoy MMA and have a fair appreciation of it - I dont think it will ever usurp 'the sweet science' in my affections but I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive - far from it.
The main problem with UFC is that often the bouts are ended very suddenly, and that grappling isn't exactly thrilling. However, the matchups are consistent and well balanced, and the top boys don't seem to be avoiding one another. As more money enters the sport however, this could well change.
liamlion wrote:
Yeah Im looking forward to UFC 61. Did you see the English lad, Michael Bisping win the Ultimate Fighter 3? - the lad is a killer.
MMA is the future. It is proper fighting.
Bisping did really well and has a fan friendly style - he even thru in a effective flying knee in the final against that red neck Josh Haynes. He likes to trade on the feet and has ‘sick’ jiu jitsu as the yanks say..
MMA is certainly growing massively in popularity in the states and to a lesser extent here. It captures that all-important 18-35 yr old male demographic that advertisers love (whilst boxing is watched by a sadly aging fan base.)
I enjoy MMA and have a fair appreciation of it - I dont think it will ever usurp 'the sweet science' in my affections but I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive - far from it.
Lets not forget the flying knee Bisping nailed Ross Pointon with, in the semis!
I honestly feel that MMA (particularly in the form of the UFC) is consistently delivering top-notch fights. I love boxing, but you have to wait so long for anysort of 'super-fight'. In addition genuine, meaningful domestic showdowns like Benn-Eubank-Watson-Collins (which keep you satisfied between the big 'super-fights') just dont happen anymore. If it wasnt for Hatton's major achievements the state of British boxing would be depressing and the world scene isnt that much better.
UFC is the ‘Big Show’ in the states at the moment, with KOTC, Hook n Shoot and all the other organisations effectively acting as feeders or ‘little leagues’ for the UFC.
Every fighters dream is to fight in the Octagon (in the US at least). For that reason the UFC and their matchmaker Joe Silva can put on fantastic matches between evenly matched fighters with relative ease and little cost.
(A prelim fighter in UFC can expect to get paid around £6/8000 appearance along with a £6/8000 dollar ‘win’ bonus)
Only the real elite (Liddell, Couture, Ortiz, Hughes, Arlovski etc) can command the £100,000 + purses (Still small fry compared to elite boxers.)
As you say James, given time this will change, the organisations will fracture and we will have multiple ‘top dogs’ at each weight.
On the point of Pride in Japan I totally agree that their roster of heavies completely puts the UFC in the dark (Cro Cop and Fedor are just 2 of a whole host of excellent big men) but they pay better then UFC so its not surprising really.
I watch Pride as well as UFC but feels as a spectacle it suffers from the use of a ring (making breaks in action more frequent) as well as lacking the ”whooo go USA” frat party-type atmosphere you get at UFC events (they are stealing away the WWEs natural audience.)
liamlion wrote:
Yeah Im looking forward to UFC 61. Did you see the English lad, Michael Bisping win the Ultimate Fighter 3? - the lad is a killer.
MMA is the future. It is proper fighting.
Bisping did really well and has a fan friendly style - he even thru in a effective flying knee in the final against that red neck Josh Haynes. He likes to trade on the feet and has ‘sick’ jiu jitsu as the yanks say..
MMA is certainly growing massively in popularity in the states and to a lesser extent here. It captures that all-important 18-35 yr old male demographic that advertisers love (whilst boxing is watched by a sadly aging fan base.)
I enjoy MMA and have a fair appreciation of it - I dont think it will ever usurp 'the sweet science' in my affections but I don’t think the two are mutually exclusive - far from it.
Lets not forget the flying knee Bisping nailed Ross Pointon with, in the semis!
I honestly feel that MMA (particularly in the form of the UFC) is consistently delivering top-notch fights. I love boxing, but you have to wait so long for anysort of 'super-fight'. In addition genuine, meaningful domestic showdowns like Benn-Eubank-Watson-Collins (which keep you satisfied between the big 'super-fights') just dont happen anymore. If it wasnt for Hatton's major achievements the state of British boxing would be depressing and the world scene isnt that much better.
Too true - the best fight the best in MMA and thats what is missing in boxing.
There is no WHAT IFs in MMA.
Liddell, Couture, Belfort, Ortiz and Silva for example are just about the best 205lbers in the last decade (give or take) and all have fought each other, some on multiple occasions.
If they were boxers we would be debating (ala Calzaghe, Ottke, Jones, etc) who would have won if they had met - in MMA they do and regularly!
