Pele Reid Comeback?

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 07 Jul 2006, 13:34

i've tried to get into the other contact sports from time to time and it's just never caught on with me.

i can't stand all that flaming grappling on mma.

it's uglier than a john ruiz fight.

i don't mind a bit of wwe.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 07 Jul 2006, 13:43

I had to double take then half reading this, half doing something else I thought you said "I like a bit of wee".

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 07 Jul 2006, 18:26

Any more news on Mark Potter's rumour comeback. To be honest, I'd be more interested in a Potter comeback than Reid (he'd have more of a chance against the top echolons domestically).

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 08 Jul 2006, 05:34

By the way for UFC fans Bravo have changed their schedule, UFC 61 is on Monday at 9pm not the usual Sunday night slot. Was trying to get it up on the Sky+ planner for about 15 minutes pissed out of my box last night!! ;)

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 08 Jul 2006, 09:13

nickd wrote:By the way for UFC fans Bravo have changed their schedule, UFC 61 is on Monday at 9pm not the usual Sunday night slot. Was trying to get it up on the Sky+ planner for about 15 minutes pissed out of my box last night!! ;)

Gutted. Had a sunday night viewing planned with a few mates and some beers.

Cheers for the heads up though mate

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 08 Jul 2006, 15:17

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Andre Orlovsky, who until recently was the Ultimate Fighting top boy at heavyweight, was pretty much a stand up boxer, with frightening speed and power, but with some matwork and kicks thrown in. I saw him Ice some guys with wicked punches, and would fancy him to have been a good heavyweight had he turned to traditional boxing.

I don't think Arlovski would have went too far as a boxer due to his shonky chin.

I used to think the K-1 star Jerome Lebanner would have made an awesome heavyweight until seen him get stopped several times and realized that as a pro boxer he would just be the French version of Tommy Morrison.

Check out this video of K-1 star Ray Sefo only attempt at a boxing career.
Sefo was noted in K-1 for his iron chin and insane tolerance for punishment yet a B level journeyman boxer with averge power absolutley splatters him in the first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgLOctdx ... ray%20sefo

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 08 Jul 2006, 15:23

TerribleTerry wrote:On the point of Pride in Japan I totally agree that their roster of heavies completely puts the UFC in the dark (Cro Cop and Fedor are just 2 of a whole host of excellent big men) but they pay better then UFC so its not surprising really.

PRIDE have lost their tv deal and Japan and are preparing themselves for some rough financial waters.

They probably won't be able to pay their top when what they used to anymore and mma message boards are buzzing about the prospect of several top name PRIDE fighters jumping ship to the UFC.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson might show up in the UFC this year.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 08 Jul 2006, 19:16

ebeneezer wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:On the point of Pride in Japan I totally agree that their roster of heavies completely puts the UFC in the dark (Cro Cop and Fedor are just 2 of a whole host of excellent big men) but they pay better then UFC so its not surprising really.
PRIDE have lost their tv deal and Japan and are preparing themselves for some rough financial waters.

They probably won't be able to pay their top when what they used to anymore and mma message boards are buzzing about the prospect of several top name PRIDE fighters jumping ship to the UFC.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson might show up in the UFC this year.

True - I heard about then losing their TV station so changes could well be afoot.

I think Ramapge Jackson has been snubbed by the UFC (he is probably too dangerous for Dana White's liking) and have joined a smaller outfit in the US.

HeavyHitters · Post by **HeavyHitters** » 09 Jul 2006, 06:25

Maybe he can come back and fight guys like Joe Mesi and Tommy Morrison.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 09 Jul 2006, 07:33

TerribleTerry wrote:
ebeneezer wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:On the point of Pride in Japan I totally agree that their roster of heavies completely puts the UFC in the dark (Cro Cop and Fedor are just 2 of a whole host of excellent big men) but they pay better then UFC so its not surprising really.
PRIDE have lost their tv deal and Japan and are preparing themselves for some rough financial waters.

They probably won't be able to pay their top when what they used to anymore and mma message boards are buzzing about the prospect of several top name PRIDE fighters jumping ship to the UFC.

Quinton "Rampage" Jackson might show up in the UFC this year.
True - I heard about then losing their TV station so changes could well be afoot.

I think Ramapge Jackson has been snubbed by the UFC (he is probably too dangerous for Dana White's liking) and have joined a smaller outfit in the US.

Apparently Jackson asks for stupid money from the UFC, and has done so on numerous occassions much to Dana White's annoyance. Jackson trains out of the same camp as Tito Ortiz.

Did anybody see Wanderlei Silva's two fights with Quinton Jackson? Jackson got destroyed. However Jackson holds an impressive win over Chuck Liddell.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 09 Jul 2006, 11:58

liamlion wrote:
Apparently Jackson asks for stupid money from the UFC, and has done so on numerous occassions much to Dana White's annoyance. Jackson trains out of the same camp as Tito Ortiz.

Did anybody see Wanderlei Silva's two fights with Quinton Jackson? Jackson got destroyed. However Jackson holds an impressive win over Chuck Liddell.

The worst beating I saw Rampage take was from 'Shogun' Rua - he got bust up in that, fight although I think he may have been fighting with an injured rib at the time.

Shame we wont be seeing him in UFC anytime soon - his slams are the best in the business - he KO'ed Richard Arona with one a while back

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 09 Jul 2006, 16:24

TerribleTerry wrote:Shame we wont be seeing him in UFC anytime soon - his slams are the best in the business - he KO'ed Richard Arona with one a while back

I remember that one!

He also broke Igor Vovchanhyn's ribs with a with devastating slam a few years ago in a fight where Vovchanchyn was expected to spark Jackson.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 09 Jul 2006, 18:05

Apparently if Liddell beats Babalu in August, he is fighting Wanderlei Silva in UFC in November. That will be an awesome fight.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 09 Jul 2006, 18:33

nickd wrote:Apparently if Liddell beats Babalu in August, he is fighting Wanderlei Silva in UFC in November. That will be an awesome fight.

Th return of 'The Axe Murderer' to the Octagon would be the biggest signing the UFC could make other then Fedor and Cro Cop..

Let hope it happens!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 09 Jul 2006, 18:45

TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:Apparently if Liddell beats Babalu in August, he is fighting Wanderlei Silva in UFC in November. That will be an awesome fight.
Th return of 'The Axe Murderer' to the Octagon would be the biggest signing the UFC could make other then Fedor and Cro Cop..

Let hope it happens!

Dana White has already announced it. So it will definitely happen if Liddell beats Babalu.

ebeneezer · Post by **ebeneezer** » 09 Jul 2006, 20:08

It's just a shame Randy Couture has retired.

There was talk of him and Silva fighting in a title vs title match back in 2004 but it never came off.

That would have been a hell of a fight.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 09 Jul 2006, 20:12

ebeneezer wrote:It's just a shame Randy Couture has retired.

There was talk of him and Silva fighting in a title vs title match back in 2004 but it never came off.

That would have been a hell of a fight.

Couture was something else - to drop to 205lbs at such an advanced age and school both Ortiz and Liddell makes me think that he would have had too much for Silva but as you say, it would have been an awesome match up!

Silva is involved in the current Pride Open Weight GP, does his contract with Pride not extend past this tournament then?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Jul 2006, 06:02

TerribleTerry wrote:
ebeneezer wrote:It's just a shame Randy Couture has retired.

There was talk of him and Silva fighting in a title vs title match back in 2004 but it never came off.

That would have been a hell of a fight.
Couture was something else - to drop to 205lbs at such an advanced age and school both Ortiz and Liddell makes me think that he would have had too much for Silva but as you say, it would have been an awesome match up!

Silva is involved in the current Pride Open Weight GP, does his contract with Pride not extend past this tournament then?

UFC have signed him for three fights. Starting after the Pride Grand Prix. November is tentative for Liddell v Silva in many ways, the semis and final of the Pride Open Weight are on the same night - September 10th so Silva has to come out of that injury free for November to happen. And likewise Liddell against Babalu in August.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 10 Jul 2006, 07:53

Wanderlei Silva is a much improved fighter from the man who fought in the UFC against the likes of Vitor Belfort and Tito Ortiz.

However does anyone else think that Wanderlei has lost a bit of his explosiveness of recent? I watched his fight from last weekend's Pride (against Fujita) and he finished well but appeared a wee bit sluggish.

If Silva has signed to the UFC, that is fooking great news. Liddell v Silva would be fooking huge!

Talking of Rampage Jackson's vicious slams, did anyone ever see the slam that Matt Hughes did on Carlos Newton? Lights out.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Jul 2006, 08:02

liamlion wrote:Wanderlei Silva is a much improved fighter from the man who fought in the UFC against the likes of Vitor Belfort and Tito Ortiz.

However does anyone else think that Wanderlei has lost a bit of his explosiveness of recent? I watched his fight from last weekend's Pride (against Fujita) and he finished well but appeared a wee bit sluggish.

If Silva has signed to the UFC, that is fooking great news. Liddell v Silva would be fooking huge!

Talking of Rampage Jackson's vicious slams, did anyone ever see the slam that Matt Hughes did on Carlos Newton? Lights out.

Yes, Hughes was as good as out himself from the choke when he dropped Newton and KO'd him.

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 10 Jul 2006, 08:19

nickd wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
nickd wrote:Apparently if Liddell beats Babalu in August, he is fighting Wanderlei Silva in UFC in November. That will be an awesome fight.
Th return of 'The Axe Murderer' to the Octagon would be the biggest signing the UFC could make other then Fedor and Cro Cop..

Let hope it happens!
Dana White has already announced it. So it will definitely happen if Liddell beats Babalu.

Yeah, im just watching UFC 61 and the commentators have said that its breaking news that Wanderlei Silva will fight Chuck Liddell in November, so long as Liddel comes through his title defence in August.

Lets get it on!

registered · Post by **registered** » 11 Jul 2006, 19:49

Pele reid never did well in K1.. He has zero victories under K1 rules, however under other kickboxing orgs, He did manage to KO vitali Klitschko via highkick to the face.
but that was years ago.

As for Matt skelton..he was "good" under K1 rules..but not an elite kickboxer..never was.. He also tried mma , but only once. and got subbed by a wrestler..
then He gave pro boxing a try..

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Jul 2006, 05:57

registered wrote: As for Matt skelton..he was "good" under K1 rules..but not an elite kickboxer..never was.. He also tried mma , but only once. and got subbed by a wrestler..
then He gave pro boxing a try..

Matt was the best K1 fighter in Britain for a time (for what that is worth..) I watched him win the K1 GB GP back in the day at the Villa Leisure Centre and he was dominating in his preformances. That got him an invite to the Tokyo Dome, but as you say against the very elite he was found wanting.

I have seen Matt's MMA match against the hulking Tom Erickson (over 300lbs) and he was a fish out of water. Taken to the ground early, he was submitted with, I think, a choke within a couple of minutes of the opening bell - its a whole different sport so you cant read much into that one.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Jul 2006, 06:36

TT, or anyone who followed Matt's K1 career.

Did you expect him to get to the level he has done in Boxing.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 12 Jul 2006, 06:47

stujones wrote:TT, or anyone who followed Matt's K1 career.

Did you expect him to get to the level he has done in Boxing.

I think the question is "did you expect british heavyweight boxing sink to the level it is?"

Pele Reid Comeback?

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