"Chris Eubank Jr. Has Golovkin as #1 Target on List, Says Promoter"

[apollo creed]

I thought Eubank's win over Korobov was brilliant mindsmanship. Play possum, lose the round, then goad the other guy into f@cking up his shoulder 30 seconds into the 2nd

Yup. With that kind of performance he thinks he deserves a fight with Golovkin. lol

[gilgamesh]

I thought Eubank's win over Korobov was brilliant mindsmanship. Play possum, lose the round, then goad the other guy into f@cking up his shoulder 30 seconds into the 2nd

Yup. With that kind of performance he thinks he deserves a fight with Golovkin. lol

I mean Charles Martin actually won a vacant World title off of his opponents knee blowing out

I wouldn't mind at all seeing Eubank get a crack at Golovkin. He's a worthy opponent.

[Enlightened-One]

eubank needs to actually have some fights and show what he has got before calling out top names like GGG .

Golovkin recently faced Vanes Martirosyan, Steve Rolls and Kamil Szeremeta.

And GGG deemed Chris Eubank Jr. as a worthy opponent during 2016.

Eubank Jr. beat, James DeGale, Arthur Abraham, Matt Korobov, Anvi Yildrim, Dmitry Chudinov and dropped very close decisions to Grove and Saunders.

Let’s assume GGG agrees to face Eubank Jr. in April and somehow manages to beat the Brit, it would almost certainly be Golovkin’s best legitimate victory in the last four years.... by a proverbial country mile!

And let’s face it, even the majority of GGG’s die-hard fans feel he lost the Derevyanchenko fight.

What exactly is it you so strongly disapprove of from one of the most entertaining fighters of the last decade? He seems to be a good sportsmen, and likeable in his interviews.

Why the constant cutting down of Golovkin? What do you want from the guy?

Stop lying and actually read my words for a change!

You’re imagining events that never happened, which you cannot possibly prove!

My posts are more about GGG’s fans than Golovkin himself.

I’d even go so far to say that no one can possibly prove I’ve ever written anything that could be interpreted as derogatory that wasn’t factually accurate.

The problem I have with GGG’s fans is their constant application of double-standards.

Golovkin’s allowed to face journeymen and engage in mismatches, but his peers are ridiculed if they do the same.

And if Gennadiy claims he wants to face the best, then why do his fans adamantly give him free passes for facing Vanes Martirosyan, Steve Rolls and Kamil Szeremeta, but then doggedly maintain that the likes of Andrade, Charlo and Eubank have to beat each other to earn the right to face Golovkin?

Canelo was ridiculed at the mere mention for refusing to face GGG again, but the same people remain bizarrely silent about Gennadiy’s refusal to consider fighting Sergiy Derevyanchenko again.

People lament GGG’s inability to secure marquee bouts, but his team never made offers and Golovkin flatly refused to justify his long-term boasts about being capable of beating the best fighters from 154lbs to 175lbs.

This is made more bizarre, because he could have faced Canelo years earlier at 155lbs, but he refused to even consider the notion.

Canelo was ridiculed for facing a welterweight at 155lbs, but GGG escaped criticism for facing a 147lb-er at 160lbs.

The application of double-standards list is enormous.

Do you feel that anything I’ve written in this post is inaccurate?

Here’s a novel idea, instead of holding me accountable for your dreams, why don’t you instead quote my actual words and attack them head on?

I’m not going to apologise or defend something I’ve never once said!

[gilgamesh]

You lost me when you started with stop lying.

You never say anything positive about Golovkin that I see. At least admit that if you want to maintain any credibility regarding him as a subject. Hell I admit it when I'm super harsh on a guy. I even admit I ain't a fan of them. Even then I'm still able to give them credit where credit is due. Boxers are owed that much. Whether you're personally a fan of them or not.

[margaret thatcher]

[Enlightened-One]

You lost me when you started with stop lying.

You never say anything positive about Golovkin that I see. At least admit that if you want to maintain any credibility regarding him as a subject. Hell I admit it when I'm super harsh on a guy. I even admit I ain't a fan of them. Even then I'm still able to give them credit where credit is due. Boxers are owed that much. Whether you're personally a fan of them or not.

Alright, just quote one of my posts that you find offensive and also factually inaccurate?

And let’s discuss my actual words.

If you say I keep being derogatory about GGG, then it should only take you a few seconds to find something I’ve written.

But if you can’t find anything, then are you man enough to apologise?

You’ve accused me of something and now it’s time for you to prove it.

[gilgamesh]

Oh and for the record I don't think Charlo or Eubank gotta do anything more than they've done to earn a fight with Golovkin. They're more than ready for it now, and deserving of it.

Andrade is deserving of it too, I just think he's boring and I don't particularly care if he gets it or not

[Enlightened-One]

Oh and for the record I don't think Charlo or Eubank gotta do anything more than they've done to earn a fight with Golovkin. They're more than ready for it now, and deserving of it.

Andrade is deserving of it too, I just think he's boring and I don't particularly care if he gets it or not

Let’s rewind back to what I wrote in my previous post...

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

GGG has faced some bums, but in 24 rounds with atg canelo he won more rounds than he lost in my opinion

Charlo is a good fight

Id rather see munguia than eubank jr

[gilgamesh]

Oh and for the record I don't think Charlo or Eubank gotta do anything more than they've done to earn a fight with Golovkin. They're more than ready for it now, and deserving of it.

Andrade is deserving of it too, I just think he's boring and I don't particularly care if he gets it or not

Let’s rewind back to what I wrote in my previous post...

"So you'd prefer GGG to face easier opposition, Munguia and then Murata, than dangerous guys in their prime, like Jermall Charlo and Demetrius Andrade?

Fair enough, I can understand where you're coming from.

You obviously prefer GGG to take a more leisurely, less risky route, because it would be saddening to see the ageing veteran taste defeat to dangerous young guns that may have been considered inferior to Gennadiy during his 2015 heyday.

Personally-speaking, if GGG is no longer interested in facing the best at 160lbs, by instead seeking easy paydays against less-than-stellar opposition, then I'd rather see him retire, because he's already reached the age where every single bout could potentially result in him embarrassingly slipping on a banana skin."

This whole post, and several lines like it are what I mean. You're just dismissive of everything he does and has done.

You also said "He gets credit for beating up a 147 pounder at Welterweight"...yeah he does. Because that Welterweight was unbeaten at the time, and coming off his best win.

A guy jumping up 2 weight classes to beat the bigger fighter isn't unheard of, and Kell Brook was certainly no pushover on that night.

You say Canelo gets sh*t on for fighitng a Welterweight at 155. I'm not really sure who you're referring to there, but I'm gonna assume Khan? I didn't sh*t on him for fighting Khan. I thought it was a safe fight, but I understood perfectly why he would've taken it. Khan's a name fighter, and it was a big money, low risk fight.

I'd love to see GGG vs Charlo or Eubank Jr.

I'd also love to see GGG vs Munguia or Murata

Hell if De La Hoya isn't just high on crack I wouldn't even mind seeing his dumb ass come back and fight GGG if he's actually serious about all that sh*t he says. I'd think GGG could retire on that one as it'd be big money. It'd be easy, and it'd be as good a place as any to call it a career.

You'd say De La Hoya is shot, and yeah he definitely is, but I ain't gonna fault the guy for taking easy money. I didn't fault Mayweather for fighting McGregor either.

[gilgamesh]

GGG has faced some bums, but in 24 rounds with atg canelo he won more rounds than he lost in my opinion

Charlo is a good fight

Id rather see munguia than eubank jr

Some mediocre opponents, some contenders, some fringe contenders.

He definitely hasn't faced the stiffest competition of any Middleweight ever, no doubt about that, but it's not like every single fight he's ever had has been a gimme.

[Enlightened-One]

Oh and for the record I don't think Charlo or Eubank gotta do anything more than they've done to earn a fight with Golovkin. They're more than ready for it now, and deserving of it.

Andrade is deserving of it too, I just think he's boring and I don't particularly care if he gets it or not

Let’s rewind back to what I wrote in my previous post...

"So you'd prefer GGG to face easier opposition, Munguia and then Murata, than dangerous guys in their prime, like Jermall Charlo and Demetrius Andrade?

Fair enough, I can understand where you're coming from.

You obviously prefer GGG to take a more leisurely, less risky route, because it would be saddening to see the ageing veteran taste defeat to dangerous young guns that may have been considered inferior to Gennadiy during his 2015 heyday.

Personally-speaking, if GGG is no longer interested in facing the best at 160lbs, by instead seeking easy paydays against less-than-stellar opposition, then I'd rather see him retire, because he's already reached the age where every single bout could potentially result in him embarrassingly slipping on a banana skin."

This whole post, and several lines like it are what I mean. You're just dismissive of everything he does and has done.

You also said "He gets credit for beating up a 147 pounder at Welterweight"...yeah he does. Because that Welterweight was unbeaten at the time, and coming off his best win.

A guy jumping up 2 weight classes to beat the bigger fighter isn't unheard of, and Kell Brook was certainly no pushover on that night.

You say Canelo gets sh*t on for fighitng a Welterweight at 155. I'm not really sure who you're referring to there, but I'm gonna assume Khan? I didn't sh*t on him for fighting Khan. I thought it was a safe fight, but I understood perfectly why he would've taken it. Khan's a name fighter, and it was a big money, low risk fight.

I'd love to see GGG vs Charlo or Eubank Jr.

I'd also love to see GGG vs Munguia or Murata

Hell if De La Hoya isn't just high on crack I wouldn't even mind seeing his dumb ass come back and fight GGG if he's actually serious about all that sh*t he says. I'd think GGG could retire on that one as it'd be big money. It'd be easy, and it'd be as good a place as any to call it a career.

You'd say De La Hoya is shot, and yeah he definitely is, but I ain't gonna fault the guy for taking easy money. I didn't fault Mayweather for fighting McGregor either.

Do you believe that any of my claims were factually inaccurate?

Do you sincerely believe that GGG’s diehard fans don’t apply double standards?

As far as I’m concerned, nothing that you quoted was unfair, derogatory or even factually inaccurate.

And let’s not forget, I didn’t attack your thoughts about GGG, but you’ve framed your counter-argument by wrongly suggesting that I have.

Simply put, I haven’t lied.

[gilgamesh]

I mean it's your opinion that you'd rather see him retire other than facing guys you think would beat him so no it's not factually inaccurate.

Your completely writing off his victory over Kell Brook as somehow insignificant is unfair.

Do you write off Errol Spence's victory over Mikey Garcia completely? Would you dismiss it if Lomachenko moved up to 140, and was handily beaten in his first fight there?

It's just that your whole tone is dismissive of anything he achieves or has achieved.

To me there's not a Double standard. People just always seem to get on the "f*ck that guy" bandwagon when somebody has fans.

[Enlightened-One]

I mean it's your opinion that you'd rather see him retire other than facing guys you think would beat him so no it's not factually inaccurate.

That’s not my opinion.

Read my words again and revise this claim.

Your completely writing off his victory over Kell Brook as somehow insignificant is unfair. .

No. I said Canelo was criticised by GGG’s fans for facing a welterweight at 155lbs, but Golovkin received a free pass for fighting a 147lb-er at 160lbs.

I pointed out the application of double standards.

Do you write off Errol Spence's victory over Mikey Garcia completely? Would you dismiss it if Lomachenko moved up to 140, and was handily beaten in his first fight there?

Irrelevant.

It's just that your whole tone is dismissive of anything he achieves or has achieved.

To me there's not a Double standard. People just always seem to get on the "f*ck that guy" bandwagon when somebody has fans.

I can quote the words of those that apply double standards.

However, you pretend I wrote something I’d never written and hold me accountable for things I haven’t actually claimed.

Quote my words and attack their literal interpretation, rather than your insistence to either misinterpret them or falsely “read between the lines”.

[gilgamesh]

It's cute the way you say "Read my words and revise this claim" as if you have some kinda authority about what I say

You don't like GGG. I don't gotta prove it. You prove it every time you talk about him. Everybody can see it. At least just own it and stop being a little bitch about it.

[Enlightened-One]

It's cute the way you say "Read my words and revise this claim" as if you have some kinda authority about what I say

You don't like GGG. I don't gotta prove it. You prove it every time you talk about him. Everybody can see it. At least just own it and stop being a little bitch about it.

But you’re still holding me accountable for things I never once wrote.

If I did, you’d quote my words, but you can’t.

Am I supposed to apologise for doing something that never happened?

[gilgamesh]

It's cute the way you say "Read my words and revise this claim" as if you have some kinda authority about what I say

You don't like GGG. I don't gotta prove it. You prove it every time you talk about him. Everybody can see it. At least just own it and stop being a little bitch about it.

But you’re still holding me accountable for things I never once wrote.

If I did, you’d quote my words, but you can’t.

Am I supposed to apologise for doing something that never happened?

No. You never apologize or admit anything you do. You're a perfect person who's never wrong according to your internet handle.

Meanwhile me, and other people around here are just fallible humans not worthy of the novels you bestow upon us.

Blow it out your righteous ass there EO.

[Enlightened-One]

It's cute the way you say "Read my words and revise this claim" as if you have some kinda authority about what I say

You don't like GGG. I don't gotta prove it. You prove it every time you talk about him. Everybody can see it. At least just own it and stop being a little bitch about it.

But you’re still holding me accountable for things I never once wrote.

If I did, you’d quote my words, but you can’t.

Am I supposed to apologise for doing something that never happened?

No. You never apologize or admit anything you do. You're a perfect person who's never wrong according to your internet handle.

Meanwhile me, and other people around here are just fallible humans not worthy of the novels you bestow upon us.

Blow it out your righteous ass there EO.

I can only apologise for my actual words and actions.

If you expect me to do otherwise, then you’re being naive.

I haven’t lied.

And I can’t be held accountable for things that never happened in the real world.

[oogiebe]

Like a moth to a flame.

[lazboy]

eubank needs to actually have some fights and show what he has got before calling out top names like GGG .

Golovkin recently faced Vanes Martirosyan, Steve Rolls and Kamil Szeremeta.

And GGG deemed Chris Eubank Jr. as a worthy opponent during 2016.

Eubank Jr. beat, James DeGale, Arthur Abraham, Matt Korobov, Anvi Yildrim, Dmitry Chudinov and dropped very close decisions to Grove and Saunders.

Let’s assume GGG agrees to face Eubank Jr. in April and somehow manages to beat the Brit, it would almost certainly be Golovkin’s best legitimate victory in the last four years.... by a proverbial country mile!

And let’s face it, even the majority of GGG’s die-hard fans feel he lost the Derevyanchenko fight.

What exactly is it you so strongly disapprove of from one of the most entertaining fighters of the last decade? He seems to be a good sportsmen, and likeable in his interviews.

Why the constant cutting down of Golovkin? What do you want from the guy?

You have answered your own question and the reasoning above is exactly why EO dislikes GGG. It's because he is a fan favourite and likeable. EO has one of those personality where he has to be different. This way he gets the most attention. For example, he dislikes Crawford in a similar fashion. On the other hand he is a fan of the relatively disliked Eubank Jr and Hughie Fury.

Of course the personality issues don't stop there. EO believes he will eventually persuade people but he doesn't know how to persuade people because he's lacking in social skills...so he resorts to repetition. This is why it comes up so often.

At this stage he probably believes his own nonsense or is so lost in trying to be right that anything reasonable put to him is dismissed. Just like EO can't persuade me, or us, we won't be able to persuade him. But that's where you as a MOD should make a decision. I suggested limiting his word count or posts (if this is possible) as clearly nothing will change.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

EO is to debating as Andy Ruiz is to dieting

[keirw]

eubank needs to actually have some fights and show what he has got before calling out top names like GGG .

Golovkin recently faced Vanes Martirosyan, Steve Rolls and Kamil Szeremeta.

And GGG deemed Chris Eubank Jr. as a worthy opponent during 2016.

Eubank Jr. beat, James DeGale, Arthur Abraham, Matt Korobov, Anvi Yildrim, Dmitry Chudinov and dropped very close decisions to Grove and Saunders.

Let’s assume GGG agrees to face Eubank Jr. in April and somehow manages to beat the Brit, it would almost certainly be Golovkin’s best legitimate victory in the last four years.... by a proverbial country mile!

And let’s face it, even the majority of GGG’s die-hard fans feel he lost the Derevyanchenko fight.

I didn't think either fight was all that close.
Off the top of my head I think I probably gave him 4 rounds vs BJS and about 2 or 3 rounds vs Groves (I also feel he should have had a knockdown scored against him).

But overall I agree with your point, Eubank would be a reasonable opponent for GGG.

I do feel he needs a win on his ledger before the fight gets made though, even just to get his name back out there a bit.

[gilgamesh]

Golovkin recently faced Vanes Martirosyan, Steve Rolls and Kamil Szeremeta.

And GGG deemed Chris Eubank Jr. as a worthy opponent during 2016.

Eubank Jr. beat, James DeGale, Arthur Abraham, Matt Korobov, Anvi Yildrim, Dmitry Chudinov and dropped very close decisions to Grove and Saunders.

Let’s assume GGG agrees to face Eubank Jr. in April and somehow manages to beat the Brit, it would almost certainly be Golovkin’s best legitimate victory in the last four years.... by a proverbial country mile!

And let’s face it, even the majority of GGG’s die-hard fans feel he lost the Derevyanchenko fight.

What exactly is it you so strongly disapprove of from one of the most entertaining fighters of the last decade? He seems to be a good sportsmen, and likeable in his interviews.

Why the constant cutting down of Golovkin? What do you want from the guy?

You have answered your own question and the reasoning above is exactly why EO dislikes GGG. It's because he is a fan favourite and likeable. EO has one of those personality where he has to be different. This way he gets the most attention. For example, he dislikes Crawford in a similar fashion. On the other hand he is a fan of the relatively disliked Eubank Jr and Hughie Fury.

Of course the personality issues don't stop there. EO believes he will eventually persuade people but he doesn't know how to persuade people because he's lacking in social skills...so he resorts to repetition. This is why it comes up so often.

At this stage he probably believes his own nonsense or is so lost in trying to be right that anything reasonable put to him is dismissed. Just like EO can't persuade me, or us, we won't be able to persuade him. But that's where you as a MOD should make a decision. I suggested limiting his word count or posts (if this is possible) as clearly nothing will change.

I wish I could limit his word count. That'd be sweet. Maybe I'd actually read his posts then

[lazboy]

God dammit. This forum is stuck in the 90's.

[gilgamesh]

eubank needs to actually have some fights and show what he has got before calling out top names like GGG .

Golovkin recently faced Vanes Martirosyan, Steve Rolls and Kamil Szeremeta.

And GGG deemed Chris Eubank Jr. as a worthy opponent during 2016.

Eubank Jr. beat, James DeGale, Arthur Abraham, Matt Korobov, Anvi Yildrim, Dmitry Chudinov and dropped very close decisions to Grove and Saunders.

Let’s assume GGG agrees to face Eubank Jr. in April and somehow manages to beat the Brit, it would almost certainly be Golovkin’s best legitimate victory in the last four years.... by a proverbial country mile!

And let’s face it, even the majority of GGG’s die-hard fans feel he lost the Derevyanchenko fight.

I didn't think either fight was all that close.
Off the top of my head I think I probably gave him 4 rounds vs BJS and about 2 or 3 rounds vs Groves (I also feel he should have had a knockdown scored against him).

But overall I agree with your point, Eubank would be a reasonable opponent for GGG.

I do feel he needs a win on his ledger before the fight gets made though, even just to get his name back out there a bit.

Are his most recent bouts not wins?