So I just watched GGG vs Derevyanchenko

[Enlightened-One]

And see EO? Look at ya. Cutting down Golovkin saying he ducked a guy in a thread where I scored the fight, and the guys fought.

How do you duck a guy that you fought?

How do you even go on a tangent about so and so ducked a guy in a thread where we're all discussing the fight?

You’re not following the flow of the conversation.

You need to read the thread in its entirety to gain context.

I get that I’m an easy target, but I’m not responsible for everything.

Please, make your mind up by reading things through.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

GgG Fought vanes to not risk the canelo fight

He later fought derevyanchenko when derevyanchenko was better and GGG was himself older

So while he passed on it originally, he in reality fought a tougher fight later against derevyanchenko

Any ducking talk is stupid when you put it in correct historical context

[Enlightened-One]

GgG Fought vanes to not risk the canelo fight

He later fought derevyanchenko when derevyanchenko was better and GGG was himself older

So while he passed on it originally, he in reality fought a tougher fight later against derevyanchenko

Any ducking talk is stupid when you put it in correct historical context

GGG ducked Derevyanchenko.

Whether his business decision had merit or not doesn’t detract from the fact GGG had a guaranteed opportunity to face Derevyanchenko, but instead chose to vacate his title, because he preferred to engage in an horrendous mismatch.

That’s not a personal opinion. It’s a fact, no matter how you window dress it.

You can put lipstick on a pig, it’ll still be a pig.

People from this forum have criticised other fighters for making business decisions, so the very same individuals are compelled to apply same set of rules and standards to GGG as well.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

So you think canelo ducked GGG

Dont put lipstick on a pig. By your standard he dropped a belt to duck GGG

Cant wait for the 6 paragraph mental gymnastics

[margaret thatcher]

ggg



canelo

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

ggg



canelo

Hes a shot poster. Walked right into that ko punch

[gilgamesh]

And see EO? Look at ya. Cutting down Golovkin saying he ducked a guy in a thread where I scored the fight, and the guys fought.

How do you duck a guy that you fought?

How do you even go on a tangent about so and so ducked a guy in a thread where we're all discussing the fight?

You’re not following the flow of the conversation.

You need to read the thread in its entirety to gain context.

I get that I’m an easy target, but I’m not responsible for everything.

Please, make your mind up by reading things through.

I read exactly what you said. You decide to attack Golovkin for not fighting a guy sooner that he fought in the not too distant future. Ooh you got him there buddy.

Walk outside of your house tomorrow, and have a conversation with a human being. You could use the interaction.

[gilgamesh]

And see EO? Look at ya. Cutting down Golovkin saying he ducked a guy in a thread where I scored the fight, and the guys fought.

How do you duck a guy that you fought?

How do you even go on a tangent about so and so ducked a guy in a thread where we're all discussing the fight?

You’re not following the flow of the conversation.

You need to read the thread in its entirety to gain context.

I get that I’m an easy target, but I’m not responsible for everything.

Please, make your mind up by reading things through.

Also by the logic of your argument that GGG ducked Derevyanchenko, then you're admitting that Canelo ducked Golovkin, Cotto ducked Golovkin, Quillin ducked Golovkin, Sergio Martinez ducked Golovkin.

Or does this precedent you're trying to set only work one way?

Even though Golovkin did in fact fight Derevyanchenko.

[Enlightened-One]

Also by the logic of your argument that GGG ducked Derevyanchenko, then you're admitting that Canelo ducked Golovkin,

Did Canelo tell GGG in 2015 that he’s willing to face GGG at 155lbs? This was when the Mexican had never competed in a bout officially weighing more than 155lbs?

GGG immediately refused to consider Canelo’s offer, despite the Kazakh adamantly claiming during 2016’s press conferences for the Kell Brook fight he could easily compete at 154lbs to 175lbs.

Golovkin stated that he was willing to engage in catch-weights against other fighters, but wouldn't do so for Canelo.

That said, his reasoning, at the time, for refraining to prove his boasts was that there wasn’t any big fights for him in those weight divisions.

K2 never attempted to make the Canelo fight by contacting GBP. It was Team Canelo that made the Golovkin fights.

Quillin ducked Golovkin...

Isn’t it true that GGG abandoned a guaranteed opportunity to face Peter Quillin, but walked away from the purse bid process?

Golovkin’s handers actually rejected the opportunity to face Peter Quillin, because the American wanted the fight to be awarded to the highest bidding network and promoter, but K2 couldn't permit this since Gennadiy's exclusive contract with HBO forbid him from competing on rival networks.

So technically-speaking, GGG "ducked" Quillin.

Or does this precedent you're trying to set only work one way?

Admittedly, I need to research the Cotto and Martinez situations, but it clearly seems you're unaware of GGG's refusal to face Quillin and Canelo.

I strongly suspect Cotto there would have been far more money and prestige for the Puerto Rican to face Canelo than there was GGG. I'll have to review the situation and confirm this, but I think you'll probably agree with this assertion.

We can debate long and hard about the Canelo and Quillin situations if you want? If you think you know more about those issues than I do.

Even though Golovkin did in fact fight Derevyanchenko.

Agreed, but that doesn’t detract from the fact GGG had a guaranteed opportunity to face Derevyanchenko, but instead chose to vacate his title, because he preferred to engage in an horrendous mismatch.

So GGG did duck Derevyanchenko and only agreed to face the Ukrainian after Sergiy had tasted defeat to a fighter Golovkin had already beaten.

[margaret thatcher]

[margaret thatcher]

did quillen duck korobov?

[margaret thatcher]

when was ggg-quillin purse bid a thing? i dont remember it tbh, who was champ who was mando. anything beyond just talk from one side only?

[Ruthless-RKO]

did quillen duck korobov?

yes.

Peter Quillin: 'Had to relinquish title'

"Kid Chocolate" Peter Quillin vacated his middleweight world title and kissed a career-high $1.4 million purse goodbye on Thursday.

He was faced with a WBO-imposed deadline of 4 p.m. ET on Thursday to sign a contract for his mandatory defense against Matt Korobov. Quillin, who had already been given two extensions to the signing deadline, would have been stripped of his title had he not vacated.

It still comes as a surprise to many that Quillin, whose wife gave birth to their first child, a boy, about a week ago, would turn down a purse that is more than three times his biggest payday and give up his title without having another fight signed.

"I'd like to thank WBO president Paco Valcarcel and his organization for their support throughout the years," Quillin said in a statement. "Winning the WBO world championship was a highlight in my career and something I'll never forget. This is a difficult decision, but in order to make the fights the fans and I want against my fellow middleweights at the top of the division, I needed to relinquish the title.

"This is an exciting new chapter in my life, and I'm looking forward to cementing my spot as the best middleweight in the world."

Quillin's statement rings a bit hollow because there is no obvious major middleweight fight on the horizon for him.

Fights with champion Miguel Cotto and titlist Gennady Golovkin were not possible. Only a match with fellow New Yorker Daniel Jacobs, who owns a lightly regarded secondary title and, like Quillin, is advised by the powerful Al Haymon, would be close.

Quillin's decision means that the first boxing event to be promoted by Roc Nation Sports, the sports agency founded by music mogul Jay Z, will be delayed. Roc Nation Sports announced its intentions to promote boxing two weeks ago and the next day won a purse bid for the right to promote Quillin-Korobov, even though it doesn't have promotional contracts with either fighter.

It bid $1,904,840, a dramatic overbid that easily beat Golden Boy ($1,207,000) and Korobov promoter Top Rank ($515,000). Quillin would have earned a career-best $1,428,630 to Korobov's career-best $476,210. Korobov signed almost immediately while Quillin asked for extensions.

Roc Nation Sports planned to put the fight on Nov. 1 at the Barclays Center in Quillin's hometown of Brooklyn, but had since notified Golden Boy and Top Rank that it would instead have been at the DC Armory in Washington, D.C., because Korobov is not licensed in New York due to a medical issue no other state has a problem with.

"I've got $1.4 million sitting next to me," Yormark told ESPN.com. "Do you want it? It's puzzling that he turned down $1.4 million and gave up his belt. In order to turn down that money and give up his belt he has to be looking at a bigger opportunity. Who turns $1.4 million and gives up his belt for nothing?

"We wish him the best of luck. We like Peter a lot. We hope he's made the right decision here, but it's puzzling. I'm sure (Haymon) sat down and discussed this with him in detail. Peter has a team around him he listens to and we can only assume the direction he received was to pass. We wish him the best of luck and we hope he has an incredible payday in front of him because that's the only justification for turning down $1.4 million and giving up his belt."

[Ruthless-RKO]

He ruinned Korobov's chances of getting a career best near $500k as well.

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is what Quillin said about GGG

Gennady Golovkin is a scary boogeyman. His name is there, but the money and business behind him is not equaling up to each other. Gennady Golovkin is looking for that payday too. The name doesn’t really bring much to the table besides a high risk fight with a low reward. Just saying to a bunch of fans - ‘I beat Gennady Golovkin' - that’s all it really does [in fighting and beating him]. I’m not thinking like that. I’m not thinking of beating this guy because of the fans," Quillin told IFL TV.

"The fans only do so much for you. I believe that if you're a true fan of somebody, you support them for the reasons that you do. Like Muhammad Ali, can you remember all of the fights that he fought? You only remember the good fights that he fought. And that goes for Sugar Ray Leonard and everyone else. You only remember those career defining fights."

"From what I heard, Andy Lee got $220,000 dollars and Matt Korobov got $160 [thousand dollars]. [Korobov] would have got $400,000 to get knocked out by Kid Chocolate but instead he got 160 to get knocked out by Andy Lee," Quillin said.

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Quillin should have taken the $1.4m and could have kept his belt.

Didn't have much look with 'big' fights..

Came in slightly overweight against Lee, and got a draw. Both he and Lee were paid $500k.

Instead of getting knocked out by GGG, He suffered a 1st round KO against Jacobs. Both were paid $1.5m.

[Enlightened-One]

did quillen duck korobov?

Technically-speaking, GGG "ducked" Quillin.

And despite boasting for a very long time about his capability to compete at 154lbs, during 2015, GGG flatly-refused to consider facing Canelo at 155lbs.

GGG had a guaranteed opportunity to face Derevyanchenko, but instead chose to vacate his IBF title, because he preferred to engage in an horrendous mismatch.

And GGG lost his pen twice when Billy Joe Saunders has signed contracts with Tom Loeffler accepting the GGG bout on two separate occasions.

[margaret thatcher]

did quillen duck korobov?

Technically-speaking, GGG "ducked" Quillin.

And despite boasting for a very long time about his capability to compete at 154lbs, during 2015, GGG flatly-refused to consider facing Canelo at 155lbs.

GGG had a guaranteed opportunity to face Derevyanchenko, but instead chose to vacate his IBF title, because he preferred to engage in an horrendous mismatch.

And GGG lost his pen twice when Billy Joe Saunders has signed contracts with Tom Loeffler accepting the GGG bout on two separate occasions.

when was the quillin-ggg purse bid stuff supposed to go down, and who was the champ who was the mando/why was it ordered etc. i dont remember it tbh, tbh id totally forgot about quillin at all lol, i remembebr when him and ggg were like top dogs but gggs career sure a hell ended up a lot better and richer

[margaret thatcher]

This is what Quillin said about GGG

Gennady Golovkin is a scary boogeyman. His name is there, but the money and business behind him is not equaling up to each other. Gennady Golovkin is looking for that payday too. The name doesn’t really bring much to the table besides a high risk fight with a low reward. Just saying to a bunch of fans - ‘I beat Gennady Golovkin' - that’s all it really does [in fighting and beating him]. I’m not thinking like that. I’m not thinking of beating this guy because of the fans," Quillin told IFL TV.

"The fans only do so much for you. I believe that if you're a true fan of somebody, you support them for the reasons that you do. Like Muhammad Ali, can you remember all of the fights that he fought? You only remember the good fights that he fought. And that goes for Sugar Ray Leonard and everyone else. You only remember those career defining fights."

"From what I heard, Andy Lee got $220,000 dollars and Matt Korobov got $160 [thousand dollars]. [Korobov] would have got $400,000 to get knocked out by Kid Chocolate but instead he got 160 to get knocked out by Andy Lee," Quillin said.

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Quillin should have taken the $1.4m and could have kept his belt.

Didn't have much look with 'big' fights..

Came in slightly overweight against Lee, and got a draw. Both he and Lee were paid $500k.

Instead of getting knocked out by GGG, He suffered a 1st round KO against Jacobs. Both were paid $1.5m.

why was quillin-ggg ordered, i cant remember the champs/mandos/etc from back then too well lol

[Enlightened-One]

why was quillin-ggg ordered, i cant remember the champs/mandos/etc from back then too well lol

Since it seems that nobody is willing to pay attention to anything I write, regardless the amount of evidence I supply...

I'll allow a self-confessed die-hard GGG fan to verify the fact that GGG walked away from the Quillin fight, since it'll be easier for you to digest his words rather than mine..

20 March 2014
'Negotiations of Gennady Golovkin and Peter Quillin fight have failed, Tengrinews report citing Oleg German, manager of the WBA and IBO champion from Kazakhstan. According to German, Golovkin has been working with HBO for a long time, while Quillin has a contract with Showtime. The boxers could not agree on the company that would broadcast the fight. Quillin’s promoters suggested having a competition between the two channels and give the winner the right to broadcast the Golovkin-Quillin fight. But GGG’s team could not agree to that because of their binding agreement with HBO.'

And if someone like apollo creed can openly admit that GGG ducked Quillin, then surely you can too?

Quillin wanted the fight to go to the highest bidder, but GGG didn't.

Even though yourself and gilgamesh apparently despise me, it's pretty clear that I at least know my stuff.

[margaret thatcher]

its usually cuz your posts are way too f@cking long bruh, its like reading an entire article lol

lol thats not the type of purse bid i was expecting , i thought dudes meant that the fight was ordered to go to bid, so it wasnt a leaky memory

[margaret thatcher]

lol i despise you? waaaaaah, waaaah, here comes the snowflake victim act again, waaahhhhhhhhhh

i dont despise you at all bruh, you take this sh!t way way way too seriously if you have the mindset that im gonna despise you for any of this, it just some boxing banter on the internet bruh

[Ruthless-RKO]

why was quillin-ggg ordered, i cant remember the champs/mandos/etc from back then too well lol

Since it seems that nobody is willing to pay attention to anything I write, regardless the amount of evidence I supply...

I'll allow a self-confessed die-hard GGG fan to verify the fact that GGG walked away from the Quillin fight, since it'll be easier for you to digest his words rather than mine..

20 March 2014
'Negotiations of Gennady Golovkin and Peter Quillin fight have failed, Tengrinews report citing Oleg German, manager of the WBA and IBO champion from Kazakhstan. According to German, Golovkin has been working with HBO for a long time, while Quillin has a contract with Showtime. The boxers could not agree on the company that would broadcast the fight. Quillin’s promoters suggested having a competition between the two channels and give the winner the right to broadcast the Golovkin-Quillin fight. But GGG’s team could not agree to that because of their binding agreement with HBO.'

And if someone like apollo creed can openly admit that GGG ducked Quillin, then surely you can too?

Quillin wanted the fight to go to the highest bidder, but GGG didn't.

Even though yourself and gilgamesh apparently despise me, it's pretty clear that I at least know my stuff.

So basically, HBO ducked the fight, not GGG.. Same thing happened with GGG-Jacobs, but they maneged to make it happen didn't they?

Wasn't Quillin with GBP? Was GBP with Showtime at that time?

[Enlightened-One]

its usually cuz your posts are way too f@cking long bruh, its like reading an entire article lol

lol thats not the type of purse bid i was expecting , i thought dudes meant that the fight was ordered to go to bid, so it wasnt a leaky memory

Quillin accepted the fight, but he reasonably wanted the bout to be awarded to the highest bidder, in order to maximise his own payday. GGG wouldn't allow that.

So GGG had a guaranteed opportunity to face Quillin, but walked away from the fight.

It happened, but I'm sure that within the next week or so, someone else will dishonestly pretend that Quillin "DUCKED" GGG.

[Enlightened-One]

why was quillin-ggg ordered, i cant remember the champs/mandos/etc from back then too well lol

Since it seems that nobody is willing to pay attention to anything I write, regardless the amount of evidence I supply...

I'll allow a self-confessed die-hard GGG fan to verify the fact that GGG walked away from the Quillin fight, since it'll be easier for you to digest his words rather than mine..

20 March 2014
'Negotiations of Gennady Golovkin and Peter Quillin fight have failed, Tengrinews report citing Oleg German, manager of the WBA and IBO champion from Kazakhstan. According to German, Golovkin has been working with HBO for a long time, while Quillin has a contract with Showtime. The boxers could not agree on the company that would broadcast the fight. Quillin’s promoters suggested having a competition between the two channels and give the winner the right to broadcast the Golovkin-Quillin fight. But GGG’s team could not agree to that because of their binding agreement with HBO.'

And if someone like apollo creed can openly admit that GGG ducked Quillin, then surely you can too?

Quillin wanted the fight to go to the highest bidder, but GGG didn't.

Even though yourself and gilgamesh apparently despise me, it's pretty clear that I at least know my stuff.

So basically, HBO ducked the fight, not GGG.. Same thing happened with GGG-Jacobs, but they maneged to make it happen didn't they?

Wasn't Quillin with GBP? Was GBP with Showtime at that time?

Quillin accepted the fight, but he reasonably wanted the bout to be awarded to the highest bidder, in order to maximise his own payday. GGG wouldn't allow that.

gilgamesh and others dishonestly pretended that Quillin "ducked" GGG, but that clearly never happened in any version of reality we live in, right?

Am I right or am I wrong? Do people keep dishonestly pretending that Quillin "ducked" GGG?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Since it seems that nobody is willing to pay attention to anything I write, regardless the amount of evidence I supply...

I'll allow a self-confessed die-hard GGG fan to verify the fact that GGG walked away from the Quillin fight, since it'll be easier for you to digest his words rather than mine..

And if someone like apollo creed can openly admit that GGG ducked Quillin, then surely you can too?

Quillin wanted the fight to go to the highest bidder, but GGG didn't.

Even though yourself and gilgamesh apparently despise me, it's pretty clear that I at least know my stuff.

So basically, HBO ducked the fight, not GGG.. Same thing happened with GGG-Jacobs, but they maneged to make it happen didn't they?

Wasn't Quillin with GBP? Was GBP with Showtime at that time?

Quillin accepted the fight, but he reasonably wanted the bout to be awarded to the highest bidder, in order to maximise his own payday. GGG wouldn't allow that.

gilgamesh and others dishonestly pretended that Quillin "ducked" GGG, but that clearly never happened in any version of reality we live in, right?

Am I right or am I wrong? Do people keep dishonestly pretending that Quillin "ducked" GGG?

Well then why didn't he take the Korobov fight? Lower risk than GGG and $1.4m is a decent reward.

Doesn't make sense.