Tyson Fury vs. Deontay Wilder III - October 9, 2021

[Onetimeonly]

He'll want the full $20 million at least. The other guy is striding off to make ten times that (two fights with Joshua).

If he takes 5 million off Fury and 5 million against Martin, he'll end up with ~$3 or 4 million after all expenses and tax.

Fury will gross $200 million and net about $80 million after all expenses and tax (more if he relocates).

I just want to hear that this is officially off and the AJ fight is officially on. Wilder is an embarrassment to the sport.

Why? I don't want this fight either but what's embarrassing about him seeking it? If you're talking about the lame excuses, that's a long line. PAC once blamed socks.

[margaret thatcher]

ive never heard all those crazy excuses put together for one fight, surely that can't be topped

heavy body suit
spy in the locker room
'egg weights' in furys gloves
gloves also had padding removed
drugged by someone
an inside job by his trainer
terrible ref


sure, i mean manny's socks, wlad had the drugged thing too, gambling ref for juanma.......but deontay pulled out everything

[Ruthless-RKO]

As much as I enjoy watching him fight, i just can't stand to listen to Wilder speak. He is totally delusional and the disconnect between what he says and what he does has always made me want to switch off. All this bragging about one name, one face, one champion ... utter bollocks. You've only got to look at the speed at which Joshua and Fury have agreed to a showdown to see who was serious and who wasn't

Well look how quick Wilder-Fury was made? Both times even..

Maybe it's Fury, who's easy to negotiate with?

[Onetimeonly]

ive never heard all those crazy excuses put together for one fight, surely that can't be topped

heavy body suit
spy in the locker room
'egg weights' in furys gloves
gloves also had padding removed
drugged by someone
an inside job by his trainer
terrible ref


sure, i mean manny's socks, wlad had the drugged thing too, gambling ref for juanma.......but deontay pulled out everything

He may well have the record, I just don't care what any of them say.

[candyslim]

@Ruthless

Don't be silly. The reason Fury got the first fight was that he looked like baby who was holding candy. Beat two road-sweepers after being out for three and a half years, ballooned up to 400lbs, allegedly suicidal, addictions to drugs, alcohol, junk-food. Do you seriously think Wilder would have taken him on if he knew how hard it was going to be?

Even if Wilder had been up for the challenge, Finkel would have put the block on it. We'd probably have served up Kownacki instead. Of course once the fight ended in a draw and so controversially, he'd have never got away with sidestepping the re-match even if he/his team had wanted to. They'd have been crucified (unless of course they could have spun it that it was Fury didn't want it). As it happens I think they genuinely did want it because they thought what Deontay had done before he could do again, and this time he might get a referee who wouldn't be inclined to give a dropped fighter the chance to get back up.

Were you paying attention when (Wilder hadn't signed the contract he received from Hearn) he was asked whether he had lost his pen, he replied, what was it, something like he'd not only lost his pen but it didn't have any ink in it? He pretty much admitted on several occasions that he didn't want the fight: Not necessarily verbatim but pretty close ... "Just because a fighter is calling my name and his people keep reaching out doesn't mean I have to bow down and fight him. People got to realize I got my own ambitions and things I want to do in this sport". I could go on but if you don't know by now then you won't be persuaded.

[Onetimeonly]

[Ruthless-RKO]

I know you not laughing at me.

[Onetimeonly]

I know you not laughing at me.

Not this time.

[Onetimeonly]

I figured slim would relent on some of that silly wilder shit after he got his ass kicked. Evidently not.

[candyslim]

So tell me where I'm wrong.

[Onetimeonly]

So tell me where I'm wrong.

All of it. Every word.

[candyslim]

I have seen more compelling arguments

[Onetimeonly]

[Cyclops]

ive never heard all those crazy excuses put together for one fight, surely that can't be topped

heavy body suit "The fact is, my uniform was just too heavy" It wasn't a suit or a uniform. It was a drag queen Power Rangers outfit with glowing eyes, covered in skulls, as a "Tribute to Black History Month'
spy in the locker room
'egg weights' in furys gloves Despite originally sacking Mark Breland for not letting him go out of his shield, he now says that he was fighting somebody who had metal objects in his gloves that would have definitely brain damaged or killed him if the fight went on
gloves also had padding removed
You also can't skip over the whole 'Glovegate' floppy glove bullshit, Steve Cunningham and various Haymen fighters coming out and saying that it is a possible thing- lots of people still believe that. Really. There are a ton of people convinced that there's something to that. I've met people.
drugged by someone
an inside job by his trainer
terrible ref (He actually said 'Crab in a bucket' ref, which I think could be interpreted as a racially loaded slur? Like calling him an Uncle Tom. Whatever, it's a pretty bad thing to say to a ref that didn't call two knockdowns- the one where he rugby tackled Fury and the one where the ropes held him up- and took a point off Fury for you)
sure, i mean manny's socks, wlad had the drugged thing too, gambling ref for juanma.......but deontay pulled out everything

Don't forget Fury was saying for months that he was contractually obliged for a 3rd Wilder fight and wanted him next, with almost complete radio silence from Wilder, and then when the deadline on the contract expired and he's moving on suddenly Wilder is doing "interviews" (with his mates: not any actual legit coverer of boxing that might challenge him on anything) He's also implicated Ricky Hatton, saying that there's footage of him pulling down Fury's glove, and stated something along the lines of "With Gypsies, if they see there's an opportunity to cheat and you don't cheat, then you a sucker." Which is the line I think that was the final straw for Fury.

There's also the twerking video, and just his antics in general before both fights. He's always been absolutely cringeworthy. Saying he wants a body on his record, his weird gun collection, his weird supernatural warrior/prophet complex where he delivers his dumbo sayings like some sort of preacher.

I think there's a compelling argument that a few people could sue him for defamation of character. His defence would have to be mental illness.

He is an absolute bell end. It never ends.

[joshj909]

Looks like plan B is being prepared, which I guess is slightly more promising for the AJ/Fury fight in the summer.

Bonus points to those who picked Martin as the sacrificial lamb.

[Scott14833]

Looks like plan B is being prepared, which I guess is slightly more promising for the AJ/Fury fight in the summer.

Bonus points to those who picked Martin as the sacrificial lamb.

Smart move by Team Wilder to be fair. Martin has somehow managed to get to number 1 in the IBF rankings. He can beat Martin and then sit and wait for another payday. That's what I'd do if I were him.

I'd also have a boxing lesson or 2.

[Thomastearns]

Looks like plan B is being prepared, which I guess is slightly more promising for the AJ/Fury fight in the summer.

Bonus points to those who picked Martin as the sacrificial lamb.

Smart move by Team Wilder to be fair. Martin has somehow managed to get to number 1 in the IBF rankings. He can beat Martin and then sit and wait for another payday. That's what I'd do if I were him.

I'd also have a boxing lesson or 2.

If Fury wriggles out of the legal challenge, and he probably will even if it costs him a few million, this might be a good comeback fight for Wilder.

This might also be a good fight for Martin who seems to have come a long way since that disaster against AJ.

The Wilder camp will obviously be pushing for Fury 3 but they should have secured it last year - even if it meant a serious reduction of the purse.

All this waiting for Covid to end and gambling for time when the big purses return is just plain guesswork right now.

Japan had the same problem last year and then were eventually forced to reschedule for July this year. Doesn't look like that's going to work either.

Everyone needs to get in line and wait as the big pharmaceuticals first take their cut.

[DrDuke]

Wilder-Martin is a good matchup. Two of the most bizarre recent title holders. The two most bizarre post-loss excuses.

[candyslim]

@Thomas

It's a bit harsh to describe Fury as "wriggling out". Nobody heard a peep out of Wilder for at least eight months following his February obliteration. Sure there's a rematch clause/ option but how long is Fury expected to put his career on hold? There is the legal principle of "frustration" that applies to contracts.

Now it transpires that the mediation is not about forcing a third fight, Wilder just wants to get paid. Maybe he never wanted the third fight at all, you can hardly blame him. And who could blame Fury for refusing to have anything more to with him after all that's been said?

As for Martin I always felt he was a lot better than he looked against Joshua. He got nailed by a hard right hand counter which caught him flush. It happens. After that it was just a matter of time, he was done. He isn't top ten but he's top twenty.

[Finkel]

Quite like the fight.
PBC were going to keep next fight in house, so Martin isn't too bad really given their line up.

1) Ruiz Jr. - bit of an ask for a tune up fight (for both of them)

2) Ortiz - no one wants to see that

3) Hunter - I would prefer that fight if I'm honest...

4) Helenius - lined up for Kownacki rematch

That left Martin or Wallin.
Wallin is probably a bit too much of an unknown quantity/risk.
Martin is in a better position ranking wise with the IBF. Though I doubt this will be called as a final eliminator.

So Martin is a respectable in-house tune up fight for a top 5 heavyweight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Quite like the fight.
PBC were going to keep next fight in house, so Martin isn't too bad really given their line up.

1) Ruiz Jr. - bit of an ask for a tune up fight (for both of them)

2) Ortiz - no one wants to see that

3) Hunter - I would prefer that fight if I'm honest...

4) Helenius - lined up for Kownacki rematch

That left Martin or Wallin.
Wallin is probably a bit too much of an unknown quantity/risk.
Martin is in a better position ranking wise with the IBF. Though I doubt this will be called as a final eliminator.

So Martin is a respectable in-house tune up fight for a top 5 heavyweight.

Well Wallin is fighting Dom Breazeale.

[Finkel]

Well Wallin is fighting Dom Breazeale.

Yeah I know, but I'm pretty sure they could have moved the pawns around however they wanted.

[Thomastearns]

"Promoter Eddie Hearn says a heavyweight unification showdown for the undisputed title between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua is a done deal.

“The deal is done, really — without being signed,” Hearn told the London Times. “The financial elements of the deal are done. We’re talking through the broadcast situation, the only thing really now is to paper it.”

Hearn says the bout will likely land in the Middle East and he hopes to stage the rematch in the UK."


So it's looks like it's going to be Wilder v Martin and AJ v Fury. I think we're all in favour of this.

Just the small financial details to be tidied up.
Such as the Wilder camp might be hoping to make more money from not fighting Fury than from actually fighting Martin!!

Or the question of whether Wilder ever really wanted to fight Fury again or was it always about the Covid induced pay cuts, perhaps we'll never know for sure?

Obviously it's nothing to do with what Wilder's been saying - as if Tyson Fury has ever for one moment looked beyond the ££ signs.

Right now those ££ signs coming from AJs direction are far far bigger than those coming from Wilder's direction. Regardless of whatever $$ payoff the Wilder camp will legally insist on.

The interesting thing is that this will be yet another one of those boutique fights set in the Middle East - far from any of boxings traditional financial homelands.

We've already seen both Khan and AJ fight there before and now there's also talk of Pacquiao v McGregor happening there.

Hearn must figure that the pandemic restrictions will be over by the time of the rematch (always one for a cast iron rematch clause) in London.

Just like the rest of us without any scamdemic ££/$$ interests.

[Cyclops]

Wilder-Martin is a good matchup. Two of the most bizarre recent title holders. The two most bizarre post-loss excuses.

It's true that they're both absolutely batshit mental. I followed Martin's instagram @iim_god after he lost to Joshua and he was so bizarre and deluded, still carrying his belt around with him and stuff. He looks like someone that smokes bales of weed and drinks cough syrup. I wonder if they have the same dealer?

I remember watching Martin's fight with Washington and commenting on here that both of them looked incredibly uncomfortable as boxers, definitely didn't look like they were enjoying being in there, and both were just relieved that the fight was over when Washington got stopped.

Unless his first loss really has melted his brain the Wilder of old would walk through Martin within a couple of rounds. There is nothing special about Martin whatsoever, apart from his kookiness. They're both so dopey though I'm sure the build up would be absolutely excruciating.

Would I watch it? Yeah.

[adislav123]

Wilder-Martin is a good matchup. Two of the most bizarre recent title holders. The two most bizarre post-loss excuses.

It's true that they're both absolutely batshit mental. I followed Martin's instagram @iim_god after he lost to Joshua and he was so bizarre and deluded, still carrying his belt around with him and stuff. He looks like someone that smokes bales of weed and drinks cough syrup. I wonder if they have the same dealer?

I remember watching Martin's fight with Washington and commenting on here that both of them looked incredibly uncomfortable as boxers, definitely didn't look like they were enjoying being in there, and both were just relieved that the fight was over when Washington got stopped.

Unless his first loss really has melted his brain the Wilder of old would walk through Martin within a couple of rounds. There is nothing special about Martin whatsoever, apart from his kookiness. They're both so dopey though I'm sure the build up would be absolutely excruciating.

Would I watch it? Yeah.

whom did mental case beyonce ever 'walk thru within a couple of rounds'?

seriously?

an armada of mexican cabbies & homeless people (nothing against both) paid to been laid out and who else...?