So I just watched GGG vs Derevyanchenko

[Enlightened-One]

So basically, HBO ducked the fight, not GGG.. Same thing happened with GGG-Jacobs, but they maneged to make it happen didn't they?

Wasn't Quillin with GBP? Was GBP with Showtime at that time?

Quillin accepted the fight, but he reasonably wanted the bout to be awarded to the highest bidder, in order to maximise his own payday. GGG wouldn't allow that.

gilgamesh and others dishonestly pretended that Quillin "ducked" GGG, but that clearly never happened in any version of reality we live in, right?

Am I right or am I wrong? Do people keep dishonestly pretending that Quillin "ducked" GGG?

Well then why didn't he take the Korobov fight? Lower risk than GGG and $1.4m is a decent reward.

Doesn't make sense.

It was due to an issue between Al Haymon and Roc Nation.

We're both aware of issues between Haymon fighters rejecting massive offers from Roc Nation.

You've even posted articles about them.

And this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG.

Nice attempt at a red herring diversionary tactic though?

Isn't the weather nice today?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Quillin accepted the fight, but he reasonably wanted the bout to be awarded to the highest bidder, in order to maximise his own payday. GGG wouldn't allow that.

gilgamesh and others dishonestly pretended that Quillin "ducked" GGG, but that clearly never happened in any version of reality we live in, right?

Am I right or am I wrong? Do people keep dishonestly pretending that Quillin "ducked" GGG?

Well then why didn't he take the Korobov fight? Lower risk than GGG and $1.4m is a decent reward.

Doesn't make sense.

It was due to an issue between Al Haymon and Roc Nation.

We're both aware of issues between Haymon fighters rejecting massive offers from Roc Nation.

You've even posted articles about them.

And this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG.

Nice attempt at a red herring diversionary tactic though?

Isn't the weather nice today?

Quillin-Korobov was mentioned in the thread, that's why I brought it up.

This is what Quiillin told TMZ about Al and the Korobov fight:

"I had just had a baby and my uncle was dying of cancer and I wasn't in the right state of mind to fight."

"Al Haymon asked me if I wanted to fight and told me it was up to me. I made the decision to not fight."

"If anything was to happen to Al Haymon, I would retire from the sport of boxing."

So do you agree Quillin ducked Korobov? Yes or no?

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is what Loeffler said after Quillin dropped his belt:

"Now you can see the difficulty we had getting a unification fight with Quillin," Golovkin promoter Tom Loeffler of K2 said. "We reached out to them and could never get an answer. ... But Quillin's value to us was as a champion. Without a belt, there's not a lot of value there for us."

[Ruthless-RKO]

This is what Quillin told The Ring Mag after he dropped belt.

“Don’t think I’m an idiot. That probably would have been the most that I’ve gotten for a fight but no amount of money can make me sell myself and what’s inside of me. I know that $1.4 million is a lot of money and it’s not like I’m just walking out with $1.4 million,” said Quillin, during an interview with RingTV.com over the weekend.

“But my fans will just have to just wait and see why I did what I did and I know that’s not going to happen in just one moment. It will progress over time and by then, hopefully they will see. Once they see it happen the way that it’s supposed to happen, then I’ll say, ‘I told you so.'”

[Enlightened-One]

Well then why didn't he take the Korobov fight? Lower risk than GGG and $1.4m is a decent reward.

Doesn't make sense.

It was due to an issue between Al Haymon and Roc Nation.

We're both aware of issues between Haymon fighters rejecting massive offers from Roc Nation.

You've even posted articles about them.

And this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG.

Nice attempt at a red herring diversionary tactic though?

Isn't the weather nice today?

Quillin-Korobov was mentioned in the thread, that's why I brought it up.

This is what Quiillin told TMZ about Al and the Korobov fight:

"I had just had a baby and my uncle was dying of cancer and I wasn't in the right state of mind to fight."

"Al Haymon asked me if I wanted to fight and told me it was up to me. I made the decision to not fight."

"If anything was to happen to Al Haymon, I would retire from the sport of boxing."

So do you agree Quillin ducked Korobov? Yes or no?

It doesn't matter what Quillin told the media.

Here are the facts...

Al Haymon refused to work with Roc Nation, because Jay-Z and his wife filed a lawsuit against him.

Adrien Broner rejected a $40m deal to sign with Roc Nation.

Keith Thurman rejected a three-fight contract worth $6m. And Deontay Wilder missed-out on a career-best payday when he was forced to reject Roc Nation's offer to promote the Stiverne bout.

This means that Peter Quillin Jr., Adrien Broner, Keith Thurman and Deontay Wilder, all Al Haymon fighter's, rejected massive payday offers from Roc Nation.

How many Al Haymon fighters are you able to name that actually worked with Roc Nation?

And like I said before, this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG!!!

[Ruthless-RKO]

It was due to an issue between Al Haymon and Roc Nation.

We're both aware of issues between Haymon fighters rejecting massive offers from Roc Nation.

You've even posted articles about them.

And this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG.

Nice attempt at a red herring diversionary tactic though?

Isn't the weather nice today?

Quillin-Korobov was mentioned in the thread, that's why I brought it up.

This is what Quiillin told TMZ about Al and the Korobov fight:

"I had just had a baby and my uncle was dying of cancer and I wasn't in the right state of mind to fight."

"Al Haymon asked me if I wanted to fight and told me it was up to me. I made the decision to not fight."

"If anything was to happen to Al Haymon, I would retire from the sport of boxing."

So do you agree Quillin ducked Korobov? Yes or no?

It doesn't matter what Quillin told the media.

Here are the facts...

Al Haymon refused to work with Roc Nation, because Jay-Z and his wife filed a lawsuit against him.

Adrien Broner rejected a $40m deal to sign with Roc Nation.

Keith Thurman rejected a three-fight contract worth $6m. And Deontay Wilder missed-out on a career-best payday when he was forced to reject Roc Nation's offer to promote the Stiverne bout.

This means that Peter Quillin Jr., Adrien Broner, Keith Thurman and Deontay Wilder, all Al Haymon fighter's, rejected massive payday offers from Roc Nation.

How many Al Haymon fighters are you able to name that actually worked with Roc Nation?

And like I said before, this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG!!!

So Al Haymon ADVISED his guys NOT to make a decent payday with RocNation.

So Haymon ducked it all.

[Enlightened-One]

Quillin-Korobov was mentioned in the thread, that's why I brought it up.

This is what Quiillin told TMZ about Al and the Korobov fight:

"I had just had a baby and my uncle was dying of cancer and I wasn't in the right state of mind to fight."

"Al Haymon asked me if I wanted to fight and told me it was up to me. I made the decision to not fight."

"If anything was to happen to Al Haymon, I would retire from the sport of boxing."

So do you agree Quillin ducked Korobov? Yes or no?

It doesn't matter what Quillin told the media.

Here are the facts...

Al Haymon refused to work with Roc Nation, because Jay-Z and his wife filed a lawsuit against him.

Adrien Broner rejected a $40m deal to sign with Roc Nation.

Keith Thurman rejected a three-fight contract worth $6m. And Deontay Wilder missed-out on a career-best payday when he was forced to reject Roc Nation's offer to promote the Stiverne bout.

This means that Peter Quillin Jr., Adrien Broner, Keith Thurman and Deontay Wilder, all Al Haymon fighter's, rejected massive payday offers from Roc Nation.

How many Al Haymon fighters are you able to name that actually worked with Roc Nation?

And like I said before, this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG!!!

So Al Haymon ADVISED his guys NOT to make a decent payday with RocNation.

So Haymon ducked it all.

Which fighters did Al Haymon's guys duck that were affiliated with Roc Nation? I bet you can't name any.

And like I said before, this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG!!!

[Counter-puncher]

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Remember when Mayweather turned down a career high payday to duck Margarito?

[Enlightened-One]

Remember when Mayweather turned down a career high payday to duck Margarito?

No.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Remember when Mayweather turned down a career high payday to duck Margarito?

No.

I'll remind everyone.

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - August 2006

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Remember when Mayweather turned down a career high payday to duck Margarito?

No.

I'll remind everyone.

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - August 2006

Undeniable fact that using EO logic Mayweather ducked margo just like canelo ducked GGG

Anyone claiming otherwise is FALSELY AND DISHONESTLY spinning for their favorite fighters.

[Enlightened-One]

Remember when Mayweather turned down a career high payday to duck Margarito?

No.

I'll remind everyone.

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - August 2006

Do you actually read your own articles or do you simply post links?

It seems that you don’t, because:

• Mayweather was recovering from an injury he suffered from the Zab Judah fight
• Bob Arum admitted that Mayweather was willing to accept $8m to fight Margarito
• Mayweather bought-out his contract with Top Rank, terminating his promotional ties with Bob Arum
• Arum claimed Mayweather wanted $10m pure guarantees for both the Cotto and Hatton fights, with Top Rank only willing to pay $7m
• Arum also claimed the money wasn't there for Floyd to be paid $20m for the De La Hoya fight.

That information is contained within the article link you posted, which you clearly didn't read!

I don’t really know why you intentionally shoot yourself in the foot, when you consider the fact that:

• Seven months after this article was published, Mayweather earned $8m for the Carlos Baldomir fight.
• In 2007, the combined total purses that Mayweather received for the Hatton and De La Hoya bouts was $50m.
• Mayweather's guaranteed purse minimum for the Cotto fight was $32m.
• And immediately after Antonio Margarito wrapped his hands in plaster to unfairly beat Miguel Cotto, the Mexican was dominated and stopped by Shane Mosley. And guess who Shane Mosley was dominated during his next outing? Floyd's guaranteed purse minimum was $22.5m for that one-sided win.

And like I said before, this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG!!!

Red herring debating tactics, eh?

[Ruthless-RKO]

No.

I'll remind everyone.

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - August 2006

Do you actually read your own articles or do you simply post links?

It seems that you don’t, because:

• Mayweather was recovering from an injury he suffered from the Zab Judah fight
• Bob Arum admitted that Mayweather was willing to accept $8m to fight Margarito
• Mayweather bought-out his contract with Top Rank, terminating his promotional ties with Bob Arum
• Arum claimed Mayweather wanted $10m pure guarantees for both the Cotto and Hatton fights, with Top Rank only willing to pay $7m
• Arum also claimed the money wasn't there for Floyd to be paid $20m for the De La Hoya fight.

Willing to take and actually taking aere 2 different things.

One means he took the fight, the other means he may take the fight.

FACT: Mayweather did not take the fight, because he wanted guarantees on his future fights..

[Enlightened-One]

I'll remind everyone.

Mayweather turns down $8 million to fight Margarito - August 2006

Do you actually read your own articles or do you simply post links?

It seems that you don’t, because:

• Mayweather was recovering from an injury he suffered from the Zab Judah fight
• Bob Arum admitted that Mayweather was willing to accept $8m to fight Margarito
• Mayweather bought-out his contract with Top Rank, terminating his promotional ties with Bob Arum
• Arum claimed Mayweather wanted $10m pure guarantees for both the Cotto and Hatton fights, with Top Rank only willing to pay $7m
• Arum also claimed the money wasn't there for Floyd to be paid $20m for the De La Hoya fight.

Willing to take and actually taking aere 2 different things.

One means he took the fight, the other means he may take the fight.

FACT: Mayweather did not take the fight, because he wanted guarantees on his future fights..

Are you blaming me for you not reading your own article?

Floyd was injured when this article was published.

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

"That's not in the cards," Arum said. "He wants $20 million for the De La Hoya fight? It's not there."

And this resulted in Mayweather buying-out his contract with Top Rank, terminating his promotional ties with Bob Arum.

This is the information contained within the article you cited.

Anyway, in regards to Bob's claims, the money obviously was there, because Floyd earned more than $8m in his very next fight against Baldomir, with the combined total purses (including PPV revenue), in excess of $90m for the De La Hoya, Cotto and Hatton bouts, with Top Rank only willing to pay between $24m to $29m in total for Mayweather to face all three men.

And like I said before, this situation has nothing to do with people falsely pretending that Quillin ducked GGG!!!

[gilgamesh]

I can imagine EO ever being confronted when he's wrong about something being like The Fonz "I was wr-wr-wr-wr. I was wr-wr-wr-wr-wr"



By the way. Accusing a guy who fought somebody of ducking him, while saying that a guy who didn't fight somebody didn't duck him. Now you're knocking on the door of being a troll.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Are you blaming me for you not reading your own article?

Floyd was injured when this article was published.

It was a Mayweather employee that said Floyd was injured.

No truth to anything when it comes from your own team.

[Enlightened-One]

Are you blaming me for you not reading your own article?

Floyd was injured when this article was published.

It was a Mayweather employee that said Floyd was injured.

No truth to anything when it comes from your own team.

Your article, you know... the one you posted, made these claims.

So it's safe to say that, regardless of the lack of evidence to prove otherwise, you don't believe that Mayweather suffered an injury during the Zab Judah bout?

Also, judging by your silence about the other points I raised, I assume this means you agree with the factual accuracy of my claims?

Because after all, you provided proof of Mayweather's injury.

And you also conveniently debunked the myth surrounding Mayweather's allegedly bizarre refusal to face Margarito?

I've never been involved in a debate before, whereby my opponent provided evidence that wholly endorses my beliefs, whilst comprehensively undermining their own!

So thanks for that! That'll teach to stop taking shortcuts in the future, since the headlines often don't reflect the details.

[gilgamesh]

You're a f*cking troll.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I can imagine EO ever being confronted when he's wrong about something being like The Fonz "I was wr-wr-wr-wr. I was wr-wr-wr-wr-wr"



By the way. Accusing a guy who fought somebody of ducking him, while saying that a guy who didn't fight somebody didn't duck him. Now you're knocking on the door of being a troll.

No i dont think a troll would have this level of commitment to a bit. Going and searching and typing to try and spin something... hes the one getting played. A troll would do a 1 liner to make everyone mad

I think he believes himself to be superior and lashes out with those long posts when its clear he doesnt know what hes talking about or is wrong. In his mind the longer the post the more reassuring for his ego

[margaret thatcher]

ggg is said to be a ducker because he didnt go to the highest bidder because of his hbo contract/relationship

seems like haaymon/quillin are duckers too by that standard if they wouldnt take the highest bid because of their relationship with roc nation

the mental gymnastics on display

[gilgamesh]

ggg is said to be a ducker because he didnt go to the highest bidder because of his hbo contract/relationship

seems like haaymon/quillin are duckers too by that standard if they wouldnt take the highest bid because of their relationship with roc nation

the mental gymnastics on display

GGG is a ducker because EO don't like him

Canelo has never and could never duck because EO likes him.

That's the jist of it.

Other people couldn't possibly have ducked GGG because that would mean that gasp...GGG could've accomplished more. EO can't admit that.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

ggg is said to be a ducker because he didnt go to the highest bidder because of his hbo contract/relationship

seems like haaymon/quillin are duckers too by that standard if they wouldnt take the highest bid because of their relationship with roc nation

the mental gymnastics on display

He told me business reasons still constitute a "duck" then says mayweather didnt duck margarito because of business reasons

Its fun

[margaret thatcher]

it reminds me of when a certain someone labelled ggg opponents who had fought the last decade at mw as blown up junior welters, meanwhile when errol spence fights a guy who had only moved up to 147 2 years earlier he was fighting a genuine welter and not a blown up junior welter at all

[margaret thatcher]

ggg is said to be a ducker because he didnt go to the highest bidder because of his hbo contract/relationship

seems like haaymon/quillin are duckers too by that standard if they wouldnt take the highest bid because of their relationship with roc nation

the mental gymnastics on display

He told me business reasons still constitute a "duck" then says mayweather didnt duck margarito because of business reasons

Its fun

lololol, ya, and al haymon's business relationships matter and cancels a duck but ggg's doesnt

very consistent, now let's wait on the next round of the victimhood routine