Who is the biggest threat to Canelo?

[Enlightened-One]

As great as Canelo is, this needs to be said. He looked unnaturally strong v C Smith. He was throwing hard shots all night and there was no typical Canelo slow down.

Canelo took Callum Smith’s best punch away from him by repeatedly and intentionally throwing right hooks to the Brits left arm from the get-go.

Callum Smith claimed that it was Canelo's intention and a blatant part of his gameplan to injury his arm.

And from round four onwards, Callum Smith's injured left arm prevented him from returning fire with any real venomous shots, which meant that Canelo essentially fought a constantly retreating and passive punchbag for nine rounds.

It’s much more difficult to run out-of-gas in that situation.

And Callum Smith felt the reason for his defeat was due to Canelo’s superior experience rather than his physical attributes.

Are you aware you have a personality disorder?

You’re suggesting Canelo used PED’s for the Callum Smith fight, due to your absurd belief about him being unnaturally strong.

Do you not think that it’s conspiracy theorists like you that suffer from a personality disorder, especially whenever your bizarre claims are debunked?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Totally crazy to think a Ped abuser who was suspended for his ped usage would again use PEDs

[Enlightened-One]

Totally crazy to think a Ped abuser who was suspended for his ped usage would again use PEDs

You're essentially claiming you know more about Canelo's strength than Callum Smith does.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Totally crazy to think a Ped abuser who was suspended for his ped usage would again use PEDs

You're essentially claiming you know more about Canelo's strength than Callum Smith does.

Im using history of a negative drug test to not discard the possibility canelo is still on something

When you arent blinded by ideology or fanaticism you stay grounded in reality

Thats why i dont have to write a novel - i dont have to defend pretzel logic

[gilgamesh]

Totally crazy to think a Ped abuser who was suspended for his ped usage would again use PEDs

You're essentially claiming you know more about Canelo's strength than Callum Smith does.

Im using history of a negative drug test to not discard the possibility canelo is still on something

When you arent blinded by ideology or fanaticism you stay grounded in reality

Thats why i dont have to write a novel - i dont have to defend pretzel logic

Hey hey hey. Pretzel Logic is a solid album.

[Enlightened-One]

Totally crazy to think a Ped abuser who was suspended for his ped usage would again use PEDs

You're essentially claiming you know more about Canelo's strength than Callum Smith does.

Im using history of a negative drug test to not discard the possibility canelo is still on something

When you arent blinded by ideology or fanaticism you stay grounded in reality

Thats why i dont have to write a novel - i dont have to defend pretzel logic

Are you claiming that Canelo wasn’t ultimately cleared of committing any wrongdoing by WADA, the WBC and also the NSAC?

And do you still claim to know more about Canelo’s physical attributes than Callum Smith, despite the fact you’ve never met, never spoken to, never trained with, never sparred with or even fought Canelo?

I don’t think you’re brave enough to answer both of these questions, but it’ll be fun to see you squirm and become mentally weak and vain to see you try.

[gilgamesh]

You're essentially claiming you know more about Canelo's strength than Callum Smith does.

Im using history of a negative drug test to not discard the possibility canelo is still on something

When you arent blinded by ideology or fanaticism you stay grounded in reality

Thats why i dont have to write a novel - i dont have to defend pretzel logic

Are you claiming that Canelo wasn’t ultimately cleared of committing any wrongdoing by WADA, the WBC and also the NSAC?

And do you still claim to know more about Canelo’s physical attributes than Callum Smith, despite the fact you’ve never met, never spoken to, never trained with, never sparred with or even fought Canelo?

I don’t think you’re brave enough to answer both of these questions, but it’ll be fun to see you squirm and become mentally weak and vain to see you try.

I'll bet your Mother slapped the Doctor that delivered you.

[Enlightened-One]

Im using history of a negative drug test to not discard the possibility canelo is still on something

When you arent blinded by ideology or fanaticism you stay grounded in reality

Thats why i dont have to write a novel - i dont have to defend pretzel logic

Are you claiming that Canelo wasn’t ultimately cleared of committing any wrongdoing by WADA, the WBC and also the NSAC?

And do you still claim to know more about Canelo’s physical attributes than Callum Smith, despite the fact you’ve never met, never spoken to, never trained with, never sparred with or even fought Canelo?

I don’t think you’re brave enough to answer both of these questions, but it’ll be fun to see you squirm and become mentally weak and vain to see you try.

I'll bet your Mother slapped the Doctor that delivered you.

As a forum moderator, you have to believe my questions are perfectly valid.

If not, do you seriously feel they’re bizarre and unreasonable?

Let me see if you’ve got the integrity and the intellect to answer that question in an honest and mature manner.

[gilgamesh]

You realize I could boot your ass any time I want right?

You're lucky I've let you stick around as long as I have. Maybe quit being such a Holier than Thou prick. You're not impressing anybody at all. You're not proving you're smarter than anyone. You're not proving a goddamn thing except you have an ego that's out of control, and you feel the most pathetic need to validate it by arguing over everything, and you apply different standards to different fighters.

What is worthy of criticism for one guy, is just fine and dandy for another.

Canelo's PED use = "Hey he didn't do it"

Roy Jones PED use = "He's not as good as everyone thinks he was"

GGG fights a guy that he apparently didn't the first time it was offered = "He ducked him until he lost"

Canelo did the same thing with Golovkin = "I'm just gonna conveniently ignore that"

Just try, just once in your life to be a decent human being, and not a "look at me, and how right I am" c*nt for just one day. Is that too hard for ya?

[lazboy]

[Enlightened-One]

You realize I could boot your ass any time I want right?

You're lucky I've let you stick around as long as I have. Maybe quit being such a Holier than Thou prick. You're not impressing anybody at all. You're not proving you're smarter than anyone. You're not proving a goddamn thing except you have an ego that's out of control, and you feel the most pathetic need to validate it by arguing over everything, and you apply different standards to different fighters.

What is worthy of criticism for one guy, is just fine and dandy for another.

Canelo's PED use = "Hey he didn't do it"

Roy Jones PED use = "He's not as good as everyone thinks he was"

GGG fights a guy that he apparently didn't the first time it was offered = "He ducked him until he lost"

Canelo did the same thing with Golovkin = "I'm just gonna conveniently ignore that"

Just try, just once in your life to be a decent human being, and not a "look at me, and how right I am" c*nt for just one day. Is that too hard for ya?

If you want to give the boot to someone that constantly cites facts that deeply frustrates you, then please feel free and ban me.

If you lie, which you have done regularly, with you persistently claiming I’ve said things I blatantly haven’t, then please ban me, because you can’t justify any of your claims by quoting any of my words.

I’m not a sheep or a lemming.

I always provide proof to justify my claims. I don’t lie.

And I feel you don’t think I’m lying either.

If you did, you could prove me wrong, but you can’t.

If you’re a snowflake that desperately wants to exist in an echo chamber, where you need safe space, then ban me.

So do your best and ban me!

It’ll be funny to fail to log into the forum because I’ve made the moderator feel horrendously inadequate, especially considering your words against me have been far more derogatory in nature than anything I’ve conveyed to the forum!!!

If these are my final word to the forum, then what a way to go out!!!

[gilgamesh]

Just can't be humble can you.

How many times do I gotta point out how you lie or have different standards for different fighters. It ain't just me either. It's several people pointing it out, but no...only YOU can be right.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

You cant boot boxrecs number 1 poster! He has the mug at work and everything

[gilgamesh]

Also "Making me feel inadequate"

You must take this forum a lot more seriously than I do. A smug douche isn't gonna make me feel inadequate about anything.

[Enlightened-One]

Just can't be humble can you.

How many times do I gotta point out how you lie or have different standards for different fighters. It ain't just me either. It's several people pointing it out, but no...only YOU can be right.

OK, I have often apologised to the forum when I’ve fûckèd up.

I’m a human being that’s prone to making mistakes, especially when it comes to dealing with the females in my life.

So sometimes I’ve held my hands up and admitted to fückïng up!

However, I won’t apologise for other people’s lies.

If you think I’ve lied, then quote my words and we can discuss this.

And let’s not pretend there isn’t a mob mentality in this forum.

Just because I don’t adhere to their thoughts, this doesn’t mean I’m wrong and they’re right!

[gilgamesh]

Prone to making mistakes.

Ironic that you'd make a mistake at that very moment in your post.

You lied when you said GGG ducked Derevyanchenko who he fought. I don't gotta look it up. You've said it multiple times.

[Enlightened-One]

Prone to making mistakes.

Ironic that you'd make a mistake at that very moment in your post.

You lied when you said GGG ducked Derevyanchenko who he fought. I don't gotta look it up. You've said it multiple times.

So GGG didn’t flatly-refuse to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko and vacate his IBF title, in preference to engage in the horrendous mismatch against Vanes Martiroysian?

Either undermine this claim with facts or ban me.

You’re becoming tedious with your constant denial of reality.

As a forum moderator, I thought you should be better than this, but you aren’t.

Just get it over with and ban me, because all you do is lie, you never attempt to justify any of your claims.

You just moan about the accuracy of everything I write.

You just think I’m being mean because I am telling the truth!

[gilgamesh]

Prone to making mistakes.

Ironic that you'd make a mistake at that very moment in your post.

You lied when you said GGG ducked Derevyanchenko who he fought. I don't gotta look it up. You've said it multiple times.

So GGG didn’t flatly-refuse to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko and vacate his IBF title, in preference to engage in the horrendous mismatch against Vanes Martiroysian?

Either undermine this claim with facts or ban me.

You’re becoming tedious with your constant denial of reality.

I don't f*cking know and I don't care. He fought the f*cking guy. He fought him for the IBF Title.

The Derevyanchenko was a year and 5 months after the Martirosyan fight. You think Derevyanchenko was somehow a lesser fighter then than he was in 2018? Because it sure didn't look like it.

Did Canelo duck Golovkin when he refused to fight him in 2016 and chose to instead fight Amir Khan, Liam Smith and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.?

[Enlightened-One]

Prone to making mistakes.

Ironic that you'd make a mistake at that very moment in your post.

You lied when you said GGG ducked Derevyanchenko who he fought. I don't gotta look it up. You've said it multiple times.

So GGG didn’t flatly-refuse to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko and vacate his IBF title, in preference to engage in the horrendous mismatch against Vanes Martiroysian?

Either undermine this claim with facts or ban me.

You’re becoming tedious with your constant denial of reality.

I don't f*cking know and I don't care. He fought the f*cking guy. He fought him for the IBF Title.

The Derevyanchenko was a year and 5 months after the Martirosyan fight. You think Derevyanchenko was somehow a lesser fighter then than he was in 2018? Because it sure didn't look like it.

Did Canelo duck Golovkin when he refused to fight him in 2016 and chose to instead fight Amir Khan, Liam Smith and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.?

Golovkin had the chance to face Canelo during 2015, but refused it.

Do you think I’m lying or do I need to recycle GGG’s own words?

Just ban me kid, because I clearly know more about the sport than you do, which is apparently so unacceptable that it warrants a ban!

I know more about the Derevyanchenko situation than you do and I suspect the same applies with GGG too.

[gilgamesh]

So GGG didn’t flatly-refuse to face Sergiy Derevyanchenko and vacate his IBF title, in preference to engage in the horrendous mismatch against Vanes Martiroysian?

Either undermine this claim with facts or ban me.

You’re becoming tedious with your constant denial of reality.

I don't f*cking know and I don't care. He fought the f*cking guy. He fought him for the IBF Title.

The Derevyanchenko was a year and 5 months after the Martirosyan fight. You think Derevyanchenko was somehow a lesser fighter then than he was in 2018? Because it sure didn't look like it.

Did Canelo duck Golovkin when he refused to fight him in 2016 and chose to instead fight Amir Khan, Liam Smith and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.?

Golovkin had the chance to face Canelo during 2015, but refused it.

Do you think I’m lying or do I need to recycle GGG’s own words?

Just ban me kid, because I clearly know more about the sport than you do, which is apparently so unacceptable that it warrants a ban!

Maybe not a ban, but your trolling and flat out refusal to admit to your obvious double standards when I and others have pointed them out to you time and time again are annoying enough to warrant a short vacation for you I think.

A clear cut case of trolling I'd say.

[caldo2025]

Dmitri Bivol is real threat for Canelo, but i still favor Alvarez to win.
Artur Beterbiev brings punching power and strength which is unknown for mexican. Russian offensive arsenal is impressive but on the defense, he is average. Im not sure if i favor Canelo in this one.
Canelo had problem with slick boxers with good footwork so maybe Saunders and Andrade can cause some problems, but Canelo can handle that at this stage of his career.
Jermall Charlo has very sharp, fast and strong jab which is very good weapon against Alvarez. This is actually fight i wanna see. I think Canelo can handle this too
Golovkin beat Canelo in first fight, but Alvarez learned from that and defeated GGG in rematch. Canelo got better since that, while GGG got older and his defense and reflexes suffered
Plant, Benavidez, smaller Charlo, Spence are not big threats IMO

Does anyone else feel as though Canelo got way too much credit for pushing forward in that 2nd fight with GGG? Yes, it was rather shocking to see that game plan instituted against the most dangerous fighter in the world at the time. But I still had GGG landing more through fight and I don’t care what anyone says, he had Canelo hurt worse than anyone since fighting Cotto early on. Not Miguel btw.

[gilgamesh]

Dmitri Bivol is real threat for Canelo, but i still favor Alvarez to win.
Artur Beterbiev brings punching power and strength which is unknown for mexican. Russian offensive arsenal is impressive but on the defense, he is average. Im not sure if i favor Canelo in this one.
Canelo had problem with slick boxers with good footwork so maybe Saunders and Andrade can cause some problems, but Canelo can handle that at this stage of his career.
Jermall Charlo has very sharp, fast and strong jab which is very good weapon against Alvarez. This is actually fight i wanna see. I think Canelo can handle this too
Golovkin beat Canelo in first fight, but Alvarez learned from that and defeated GGG in rematch. Canelo got better since that, while GGG got older and his defense and reflexes suffered
Plant, Benavidez, smaller Charlo, Spence are not big threats IMO

Does anyone feel as though Canelo got way too much credit for pushing forward in that 2nd fight with GGG? Yes, it was rather shocking to see that game plan instituted against the most dangerous fighter in the world at the time. But I still had GGG landing more through fight and I don’t care what anyone says, he had Canelo hurt worse than anyone since fighting Cotto early on. Not Miguel btw.

Neither one of 'em really seemed real badly hurt at any point in the fight, but Canelo did seem noticeably more tired down the stretch of the fight than Golovkin did.

I remember Jose Cotto hurting him real badly. I've still never seen him stunned that badly since, and to Canelo's credit he was only 19 at the time so you can't hold it against him too badly.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

You're essentially claiming you know more about Canelo's strength than Callum Smith does.

Im using history of a negative drug test to not discard the possibility canelo is still on something

When you arent blinded by ideology or fanaticism you stay grounded in reality

Thats why i dont have to write a novel - i dont have to defend pretzel logic

Are you claiming that Canelo wasn’t ultimately cleared of committing any wrongdoing by WADA, the WBC and also the NSAC?

He served a suspension

And do you still claim to know more about Canelo’s physical attributes than Callum Smith, despite the fact you’ve never met, never spoken to, never trained with, never sparred with or even fought Canelo?

I never once said that. You are lying. Point to my words where i said i know more than callum. You cant because you are a liar

I don’t think you’re brave enough to answer both of these questions, but it’ll be fun to see you squirm and become mentally weak and vain to see you try.

Im the smartest person youve had the pleasure of speaking to today.

[caldo2025]

Dmitri Bivol is real threat for Canelo, but i still favor Alvarez to win.
Artur Beterbiev brings punching power and strength which is unknown for mexican. Russian offensive arsenal is impressive but on the defense, he is average. Im not sure if i favor Canelo in this one.
Canelo had problem with slick boxers with good footwork so maybe Saunders and Andrade can cause some problems, but Canelo can handle that at this stage of his career.
Jermall Charlo has very sharp, fast and strong jab which is very good weapon against Alvarez. This is actually fight i wanna see. I think Canelo can handle this too
Golovkin beat Canelo in first fight, but Alvarez learned from that and defeated GGG in rematch. Canelo got better since that, while GGG got older and his defense and reflexes suffered
Plant, Benavidez, smaller Charlo, Spence are not big threats IMO

Does anyone feel as though Canelo got way too much credit for pushing forward in that 2nd fight with GGG? Yes, it was rather shocking to see that game plan instituted against the most dangerous fighter in the world at the time. But I still had GGG landing more through fight and I don’t care what anyone says, he had Canelo hurt worse than anyone since fighting Cotto early on. Not Miguel btw.

Neither one of 'em really seemed real badly hurt at any point in the fight, but Canelo did seem noticeably more tired down the stretch of the fight than Golovkin did.

I remember Jose Cotto hurting him real badly. I've still never seen him stunned that badly since, and to Canelo's credit he was only 19 at the time so you can't hold it against him too badly.

Definitely not knocking Canelo for that Cotto fight. I’m sure it helped him become the beast he is today. I personally think he’s right now the baddest man on the planet as much as I hate to say it because I’m not a fan. I just happened to think that GGG won both fights and Lara was victimized badly on those cards.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know if he's the baddest man on the planet, but he's definitely improved more and more all the time for several years. I would think he's surely hit his peak by now, but he's still certainly at it.

I wouldn't go on in the sport too much longer if I were him. I'd never give myself a chance to noticeably decline. I mean hell he's loaded. He owns a Yacht. He's made 10's of Millions for several fights. No real need to go on in this sport beyond your prime when you've been that successful.