Lewis - Holyfield II

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 28 Jun 2006, 05:08

Dug this one out last night... I know the verdict often gets posters in a sweat so I thought I'd raise it.

I had Lewis sneaking it 6-5-1

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 28 Jun 2006, 08:05

can't remember my score but I had Lewis winning a close one. LL won the early rounds imo, Holyfield would do nothing for 2 1/2 mins and the then throw a couple of Haymakers and the crowd would go nuts as they did everytime he did anything at all, I think that sways some people when they watch it. Holy won the middle rounds, LL the last few-after that uppercut Holy did nothing (In fact the only guys I've seen hit Holy hard enough that he did not fire back with something were Lewis and Foreman).
I have a DKP version of the fight and when I watched it the first time I thought Holy won, then I watched it again and had to turn the sound off because of Bob Sheridan and without being swayed by the crowd it's a different fight.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 28 Jun 2006, 13:37

I had Holyfield winning (or more like Lewis losing) 115-113. Holyfield just fought in spurts, but Lewis hardly fought at all. He was very tentative. He just pawed with pitty patty jabs almost the whole fight. He really only nailed Holyfield with only one good punch the whole fight; the uppercut that HBO keeps showing in the highlights.

Atleast Holyfield occasionally landed some decent shots here and there throughout the fight. I always thought this decison was a makeup call for the bad decision in the first fight. Holyfield probably would have had to win big to have gotten the decison is this fight.

Rocky Balboa · Post by **Rocky Balboa** » 29 Jun 2006, 09:27

I had Holyfield winning by 115-113 also. IMO though, there was no way Evander was going to receive the decision because of what happened in fight 1 (Holyfield was very lucky to get a draw, he clearly did not merit it.)

Afterwards, Evander stated that if he would have got the decision, he would have retired. I doubt this very much though.

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 29 Jun 2006, 09:34

LOL. I remember watching this fight in the pub + I originally thought that Holyfield had won..

My mates thought that it had been all square and we laughed as we imginated them fighting for a 3rd time...lol.

But what struck me after the "offical" decision was that none of us actually thought that Lewis had won it...

But then agian, we're Irish (so I suppose that our opinions were slightly biased in the Americans favour).

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 29 Jun 2006, 09:52

just for the record my scoring

Rd1 Lewis

Rd2 Lewis

Rd3 Lewis

Rd4 Lewis

Rd5 Even

Rd6 Holyfield

Rd7 Holyfield

Rd8 Holyfield

Rd9 Holyfield

Rd10 Lewis

Rd11 Lewis

Rd12 Holyfield

Just want to see what others' scorecards were so as to have an idea as to what were the key rounds.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 29 Jun 2006, 09:56

Comfortable win for LL, even thougy not quite as one-sided as the first encounter.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 29 Jun 2006, 13:07

I had it 115-114 for Holyfield (6-5-1 in rounds) although the even round I scored could have gone either way. Still, at worst, Holyfield was held to a draw this time. I think this fight showed that Holyfield was the superior fighter. Even though he didn't manage a win on the official scorecards, he proved that even past his prime he was a better fighter than a prime Lennox Lewis.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 03 Jul 2006, 03:26

I had it for Lewis by 2 or 3 rounds. Close but clear fight to Lewis IMO.

dmt · Post by **dmt** » 03 Jul 2006, 05:09

Lewis won both fights but i think a peak Holyfield beats Lewis by close decision

Sovoth · Post by **Sovoth** » 03 Jul 2006, 09:59

Lewis won the first fight by a mile but I thought Holyfield sneaked the 2nd one.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Jul 2006, 12:44

if a far past it holyfield could beat a prime lennox in the rematch, shouldnt this really help his legacy?

i defintley think a prime late 80s/early90s holyfield would beat lennox

btw evrsbrn, was it you who has a copy of the clarence henry-bob baker fight???

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 03 Jul 2006, 19:20

Decagon wrote:If a prime Holyfield could lose to Riddick Bowe, couldn't he lose to Lennox Lewis?

sure but remember holy won the rematch and he was on his way to another clear win in the 3rd fight(he was about to knock bowe out) but his hepatisis A prevented it from happening. it was clear on film the reason holy lost was cause he was sick and had no stamina, not because of bowe. holy fell over from exhaustion in the 8th for crying out loud.

holy fought a stupid game plan in the first bowe fight

really holy- bowe should be holy 2-1 cause holy would have clearly knocked bowe out in the 3rd fight if he wasnt so damm sick

a peak 205lb holy late 80s-early 1990s was a lot faster than the one of 1999

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 03 Jul 2006, 21:35

Bowe beat Holyfield b/c he was a GREAT inside fighter for such a hugh HW. Lewis had a good uppercut he used occasionally but besides that was poor on the inside.

I had Holyfield winning a close bout, w/ Holyfield winning rounds 1,5,6,7,9, and 12 with 3 being even.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 07 Jul 2006, 19:03

I had Holyfield winning 115-113 - Holy pressed the action and landed the bigger shots - Lennox clearly didn't want to bang (and take any risks) yet the HW championship of the world was on the line -

Holyfiled was clearly past his prime....but I still thought he won a close but deserved DEC -

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 08 Jul 2006, 13:49

Decagon wrote:Now, I'm one of the people that puts an asterix in my head next to the phrase "Bowe-Holyfield II." I'm far from a Bowe fan, but Bowe had all the momentum when Fan Man crashed into the ring. The only reason the fight wasn't stopped was that the fans paid a shitload of money to see that fight.

I don't agree - In fact Holy had rocked Bowe twice (in the round prior and in the same round the fan man crashed in if I remember correctly) -

I thought the Fan Man helped Bowe as the pace at that time was favoring Holyfield -

Cojimar 1945 · Post by **Cojimar 1945** » 08 Jul 2006, 21:24

I would think arguements that Holyfield lost to Foreman, Holmes, Mercer and Bowe in the rematch are as convincing as arguements that Holyfield beat Lewis.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 10 Jul 2006, 13:42

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:if a far past it holyfield could beat a prime lennox in the rematch, shouldnt this really help his legacy?

i defintley think a prime late 80s/early90s holyfield would beat lennox

btw evrsbrn, was it you who has a copy of the clarence henry-bob baker fight???

No, it wasn't me who said that. I do completely agree with you though that Holyfield's legacy should be boosted even more given how a shot version of "The Real Deal" edged a prime Lewis in many peoples' eyes. The terrible decision in the first fight caused an awful hurdle for Holyfield to overcome in the second bout.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 10 Jul 2006, 13:47

Cojimar 1945 wrote:I would think arguements that Holyfield lost to Foreman, Holmes, Mercer and Bowe in the rematch are as convincing as arguements that Holyfield beat Lewis.

That is a ridiculous comment. Holyfield-Lewis II was very close, whatever way you slice it. Holyfield clearly beat Foreman, Holmes, and Mercer; no controversy in those fights. Even Mercer admitted that he lost to Holyfield. This is the same Mercer who still maintains he beat Lennox Lewis in their hotly contested fight.

No, the only argument that is similar to Holyfield-Lewis II is Holyfield-Bowe II. Those were the only close fights that you mentioned. By the way, I had Holyfield winning both of them.

iron maiden · Post by **iron maiden** » 29 Mar 2007, 14:29

Ezzard wrote:just for the record my scoring

Rd1 Lewis

Rd2 Lewis

Rd3 Lewis

Rd4 Lewis

Rd5 Even

Rd6 Holyfield

Rd7 Holyfield

Rd8 Holyfield

Rd9 Holyfield

Rd10 Lewis

Rd11 Lewis

Rd12 Holyfield

Just want to see what others' scorecards were so as to have an idea as to what were the key rounds.

1 - Even

2- Lewis

3- Even

4- Even

5- Even

6- Holyfield

7- Holyfield

8-Lewis

9-Even

10-Lewis

11-Even

12- Holyfield

it was a draw by points, by rounds...
BUT - evander landed more hard punches. And he was 37, lewis was 34. Imagine that holyfield was also 34 like lewis... he would be winner by UD.

iron maiden · Post by **iron maiden** » 29 Mar 2007, 15:28

"By the way, I had Holyfield winning both of them."

coach of the Croatian boxing team, pero tadić, said after the fight, that holy was much better in that rematch and that he won that fight, without any question...
Vladimir Klitschko said the same thing.

"I haven't felt this good after a fight since I was a cruiserweight,"- holyfield said after the fight.

"in November of that year, Lewis became the undisputed champion by beating Holyfield by a unanimous decision by three American judges. Holyfield would later dispute the decision, saying that "everyone who watched it knows I won the fight". "

holyfield beat tyson bowe and lewis. he is a fu**ing legend

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Your mental superior · Post by **Your mental superior** » 29 Mar 2007, 16:12

Lol, this fight wasn't close. Holyfield lost by 3 rounds easily and he actually halved his loss in the first fight when he lost by 6. Lewis should have blitzed Lewis. He'd have kayo Holyfield.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 29 Mar 2007, 16:53

Lewis had 24 rounds to 'blitz' Evander . . .he didn't b/c he knew he'd be knocked out.

Professor X · Post by **Professor X** » 29 Mar 2007, 20:48

[quote="Decagon"]If a prime Holyfield could lose to Riddick Bowe, couldn't he lose to Lennox Lewis?[/quote]

A 30 yr old Holyfield is not prime Holyfield, first of all. At 30, he was about due, finally, don't you think?

Lewis got clocked by McCall at about that same time anyway.

Now, the Holyfield that beat Douglas..hah-hah...he KO's ANY Lewis.

Holyfield should have got the decision in the rematch. He outjabbed, outpunched, and outmanuevered Lewis. Peace.

turn2stone · Post by **turn2stone** » 30 Mar 2007, 00:26

i had holy winning.
i think it was (the plagarist) ron borges who wrote something along the lines of "if the 1st fight was considered a grand robbery, then fight 2 qualified as a convenience store stick-up" (im paraphrasing).

this is his quote though about the judging in number 2

" This time, instead of investigating just one judge , the federal government should haul all three up on charges, especially 83-year-old Bill Graham, whose scorecard was an advertisement for mandatory retirement"

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