The boxing future of Deontay Wilder ?

[candyslim]

If Joshua had the chin of a Ruiz or a Joyce, I would pick him to beat any version of Wilder with 99.99% certainty, but he doesn't and while I would expect Joshua to win nine times out of ten, Wilder has the firepower to knock him out. A fight between those two will be massive even if both were ex-champions ... just as long as Wilder hasn't shown that by then he has nothing left.

[polecateddy]

I’d think Joyce would beat Wilder in a final eliminator type fight, and Wilder would be pretty much done.

[KiwiRider]

I’d think Joyce would beat Wilder in a final eliminator type fight, and Wilder would be pretty much done.

Maybe. Joyce can take a shot for sure.
I just don't think he is quick enough on his feet to take more than a couple of shots from Wilder.
And we can't judge any of Joyce's past opposition to having the same power as Wilder. It might be that bit extra Wilder has to put slow Joe down.
I would definitely want to watch that match up

[candyslim]

It doesn't seem to matter what Joyce does, people always complain he's slow and looks clumsy and lackking technique but he has beaten a host of big name amateurs in high profile showdowns, and should have an Olympic gold medal - he's got to be doing something right !

He reminds me very much of George Forman without the concussive power. Although he hits pretty hard he doesn't hit like old George. He has a very good chin. For all his vaunted power, Wilder couldn't put down Johann Duhaupas, the big strong tough Frenchman. The referee eventually stepped in to spare Duhaupas (and/or the viewing public) further punishment. He looked a mess at the end but no worse than Wilder who resembled a gargoyle. it was not an easy fight for him by any stretch,

Duhaupas is not the fighter he was then, but as tough as he was I'd say at his peak he and Joyce are very similar in terms of durability and toughness. Joyce has a better engine though, he's bigger and he punches a lot harder than Duhaupas ever did. On top of that Joyce is a far superior boxer and a better tactician.

You cannot say that Wilder couldn't knock out Joyce because he couldn't knock out Duhaupas, it doesn't always work likee that but Joyce will hit him hard and often. and completely outbox him. He won't gas out and be at Wilder's mercy in the later stages like Ortiz did either.

If I had to put money on it I'd back Joyce by late stoppage.

[KiwiRider]

It doesn't seem to matter what Joyce does, people always complain he's slow and looks clumsy and lackking technique but he has beaten a host of big name amateurs in high profile showdowns, and should have an Olympic gold medal - he's got to be doing something right !

He reminds me very much of George Forman without the concussive power. Although he hits pretty hard he doesn't hit like old George. He has a very good chin. For all his vaunted power, Wilder couldn't put down Johann Duhaupas, the big strong tough Frenchman. The referee eventually stepped in to spare Duhaupas (and/or the viewing public) further punishment. He looked a mess at the end but no worse than Wilder who resembled a gargoyle. it was not an easy fight for him by any stretch,

Duhaupas is not the fighter he was then, but as tough as he was I'd say at his peak he and Joyce are very similar in terms of durability and toughness. Joyce has a better engine though, he's bigger and he punches a lot harder than Duhaupas ever did. On top of that Joyce is a far superior boxer and a better tactician.

You cannot say that Wilder couldn't knock out Joyce because he couldn't knock out Duhaupas, it doesn't always work likee that but Joyce will hit him hard and often. and completely outbox him. He won't gas out and be at Wilder's mercy in the later stages like Ortiz did either.

If I had to put money on it I'd back Joyce by late stoppage.

I hear ya Slim.
The one factor that has definitely helped Joyce is his chin. Uysk tee'd off on him and Joyce stayed upright. He does get clipped clean, and I don't think anyone can take more than 1/2 dozen clean Wilder right hands.
Fury getting up after the second KD was mystical stuff

[candyslim]

Joyce wouldn't want to take too many for sure, Usyk is a pop-gun and Wilder a .357 Magnum, if not the .44

He has shown though, an ability to cope with big punchers, and it's not like Dubois, for example, is an unschooled brawler.

I have no doubt that Wilder would start a massive favourite in the betting, more so even than Dubois. In the build up to that fight i felt that Joyce was not given credit for his achievements (mostly as an elite amateur). I felt it was disrespectful that a comparative novice was most people's pick in that fight.

Much of what I've said in this post and my last is what I was saying before the Dubois fight. Ok Dubois is not Wilder I accept that, but he does have a lot more to his game. I picked Joyce to beat Dubois and I'd pick him to see off Wilder as well.

[Winter king]

He will be one of those more dangeroes guys whom the future competitors will have to get through.

[lazboy]

Deontay’s a big name...now. I don’t see him being reduced to a mere stepping stone. I see him headlining events and fighting bums and occasionally losing when he faces competent foes and then eventually retiring.

[greg]

..can still pack a punch and has a couple of years before him..I guess he can still be a belt-holder in spite of his current meltdown..

[pound per pound]

Your prediction ?

Wilder is now 35. We've seen his best. He can't box well. and probably lost his confidence. He's chinny too, so boxers will go at him differently. I think he's done for if he faces a top ten opponent in his prime.

[pound per pound]

Your prediction ?

Wilder is now 35. We've seen his best. He can't box well. and probably lost his confidence. He's chinny too, so boxers will go at him differently. I think he's done for if he faces a top ten opponent in his prime.

[KiwiRider]

He will be one of those more dangeroes guys whom the future competitors will have to get through.

He would (understandably) be too expensive for most guys to face. Unless he has made some terrible financial decisions, I can't see him getting excited for anything that pays less than a mil.

[candyslim]

He will be one of those more dangeroes guys whom the future competitors will have to get through.

He would (understandably) be too expensive for most guys to face. Unless he has made some terrible financial decisions, I can't see him getting excited for anything that pays less than a mil.

I can't imagine Haymon and Finkel allowing him to make any terrible financial decisions, can you? I mean it made perfect sense to turn down the 120,000,000 US Dollars from Dazn: Just imagine if AJ was going to get more than that, it doesn't bear thinking about. He could have lost badly to Joshua then where would he have been?

Seriously I don't know jack about US Law, but I'd be surprised if he didn't have a valid case against those two for breach of trust, breach of duty of care, breach of fiduciary responsibility, that sort of thing. They're a pair of c*nts who have done nothing but exploit him for their own gain.

It's not Deontay's fault that he is not an intelligent individual, and he's gotten rid of Dibella and Breland who were the only two people on his team that gave a flying one about him. And he lectured Joshua about Hearn being his slave-master FFS !

[Thomastearns]

He will be one of those more dangeroes guys whom the future competitors will have to get through.

He would (understandably) be too expensive for most guys to face. Unless he has made some terrible financial decisions, I can't see him getting excited for anything that pays less than a mil.

I can't imagine Haymon and Finkel allowing him to make any terrible financial decisions, can you? I mean it made perfect sense to turn down the 120,000,000 US Dollars from Dazn: Just imagine if AJ was going to get more than that, it doesn't bear thinking about. He could have lost badly to Joshua then where would he have been?

Seriously I don't know jack about US Law, but I'd be surprised if he didn't have a valid case against those two for breach of trust, breach of duty of care, breach of fiduciary responsibility, that sort of thing. They're a pair of c*nts who have done nothing but exploit him for their own gain.

It's not Deontay's fault that he is not an intelligent individual, and he's gotten rid of Dibella and Breland who were the only two people on his team that gave a flying one about him. And he lectured Joshua about Hearn being his slave-master FFS !

In a better world somehow Wilder would get to read the above post.

[KiwiRider]

I can't imagine Haymon and Finkel allowing him to make any terrible financial decisions, can you? I mean it made perfect sense to turn down the 120,000,000 US Dollars from Dazn: Just imagine if AJ was going to get more than that, it doesn't bear thinking about. He could have lost badly to Joshua then where would he have been?

Excuse the paired down quote Slim.
I posted ages ago about the real housewives show that Deyontay was on. Going by the bling, custom clothes, sponsored girlfriend, cars and house I saw- Mr Wilder spends freely and heavily.
He also pays out for paternity and ex support. Not to mention silly costumes.
So I hope he has managed his finances well, and doesn't end up having to carry on past where he wants to.
Statistically, Wilder is a bit up against it, and it would suck if he became another one

[golden_labrador]

Your prediction ?

Wilder is now 35. We've seen his best. He can't box well. and probably lost his confidence. He's chinny too, so boxers will go at him differently. I think he's done for if he faces a top ten opponent in his prime.

i don't think he's chinny. fury knocked him down but with a kind of side head punch and a running gut punch. Wilder can take a punch.

but yeah, he's got rid of the good people and kept the bad.

he would probably still knock out everyone except Fury despite his negligable boxing skills. hardest hitter of his generation

[Danger UXD]

It's over for American black heavyweights for a while. You saw it again last night with Darmani Rock. There's high quantity of them, but lacking the quality.

Like Larry Merchant said ' Wilder was the last Great Black Hope'. I'm expecting their to be a big gap between Wilder and the next champ.

[cormack]

A wilder fight in the UK when fans are back would create a lot of interest , so why not Whyte who is clearly keen or Usyk / Joyce or even up and coming fighters like hirgovic / yoka ...
As long is its part of a good card it will be worth watching .

[cormack]

A wilder fight in the UK when fans are back would create a lot of interest , so why not Whyte who is clearly keen or Usyk / Joyce or even up and coming fighters like hirgovic / yoka ...
even better let wilder retire chisora
As long is its part of a good card it will be worth watching .

[candyslim]

It's over for American black heavyweights for a while. You saw it again last night with Darmani Rock. There's high quantity of them, but lacking the quality.

Like Larry Merchant said ' Wilder was the last Great Black Hope'. I'm expecting their to be a big gap between Wilder and the next champ.

I have very high hopes for Jared "Big Baby" Anderson. He has the size, he has good mobility, plenty of pop, and he's only 20 or 21. He has that kind of arrogance that often accompanies real talent as well.

I just heard his next opponent is a real test for a young prospect, that's Nigerian, Kingsley Ibeh who has appeared on the scene from nowhere seemingly, with two very impressive performances firstly winning a decision over Patrick Mailata a highly regarded Kiwi prospect, and then being perhaps unlucky to get only a draw against former amateur star Italian Guido Vianello.

Make no mistake this guy can fight and if Anderson can get pasrt him and look good doing it, then my hopes will be a lot nearer to becoming expectations.

[dave_81]

difficult to say : i think he wont beat Joshua or Fury , but imo some belts will one way or another possiblby become
vacant , his power is legit and he also has heart he showed against Ortiz. so it would not surprize me if he held
some belt again in the future

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think the most pertinent question regarding wilder, is when, or indeed if he will fight again.