What Style Beats Fury?

[Loki]

Wlad was a very good fighter but he was manufactured, he wasn't a 'natural'. His style was programmed, it relied on his height advantage, his powerful straight right, his excellent jab. He basically worked to a formula where he would use his reach, sway back out of range, tie you up if you got inside. Sorry if this sounds like I'm putting him down, I don't mean to, he was excellent at what he did.

The problem arises when you've got an opponent that doesn't fit the programme. Fury firstly got in Wlad's head during the build-up but leaving aside the psychology, Wlad is suddenly confronted with a set of problems he hadn't encountered in the ring before, and didn't have the natural adaptability to come up with an alternative solution: The guy in front of him had the height and reach so the jab wasn't as effective as it had been previously, and the sway back out of range tactic was therefore useless. Fury was a more fluid boxer, his movement and unpredictable staccato style, feinting and constantly on the move totally bamboozled Klitschko. He couldn't set himself to throw because the target was never there long enough, consequently he didn't throw much at all.

It's not like Wlad was crap and Fury took advantage, Wlad was rendered ineffective by Fury's attributes and qualities it is not a coincidence. Wlad might well be regarded in future years as more of an all-time great but in my opinion although that verdict might well be correct, Fury beats any version of Wlad any time. It's a question of styles and Fury has the style to beat Wlad or Vitali or maybe even Lennox, I'm undecided about that last one.

So who has the style to beat Fury? Possibly Joshua but I'd suggest a highly skilled front-foot pressure fighter, someone with the skills to cut the ring off, the speed to get inside and stay on Fury's chest, and the engine to deny Fury any respite. Maybe a 21st century Joe Frazier.

I couldn’t disagree more here. You think this version of Fury beats a prime Lewis, Vitali and Wlad. Seriously?

[candyslim]

Not sure about Lewis who is the more "complete" fighter, but I think Fury's physical advantages and speed would give Lennox some difficulty. I don't think Wlad's poor showing was anything to do with being post prime, although complacency may arguably have been a factor. I don't think Vitali fares any better.

Don't forget Fury is still fighting. Like Lewis he won't be accorded his proper respect until some time after he's hung them up. Lewis was not always held in such deferential regard, especially when he got knocked out by McCall and again by Rahman. He's come very close to it but so far Fury is undefeated. That has to count for something.

[Thomastearns]

"Lewis was not always held in such deferential regard, especially when he got knocked out by McCall and again by Rahman."



Lewis, for many people was never held in deferential regard. Never will be.

His career as it progressed was unconvincing to say the least. For sure he surprised a few along the way (Ruddock was as shock) but his best 2 victories both remain unconvincing.


As for Fury, there's even less convincing about his so called career.

Anthony Joshua will soundly outbox him.

If Fury wants to mix it with AJ, he's welcome to try.

[candyslim]

I think yours is a minority opinion both in not holding Lewis in high esteem and in picking Joshua over Fury. i'm with you in picking AJ though Thomas, but I don't do so with any kind of certainty.

[fanman]

Well, Fury beat the 10 year champ, with the jab & grab style, and a lot more quality besides. He beat the 5 year champ, possessor of the the most dangerous right hand seen in years. The sling shot bomb.
He easily beat a conventional but tough plodder like Chisora.
Next up Joshua. Style a bit like Wlad, but better speed and combinations. Less cautious. Will be a great test.

So what style is best?

The tall, stand up, skilled man, with power, e.g. Lewis, Bowe, Joshua, Klitschko
The small bob & weave slugger, e.g. Ruiz Jr, Tyson, Tua

I don't think Fury has a weakness to a particular style. But he's only human, and a big punch can put him down, as it has 4 times before. So any quality opponent would present a legitimate threat.

Like someone said, a Joe Frazier. Even at 205lbs he'd give hell.

[candyslim]

He most certainly would and while not being pillow-fisted, Fury doesn't possess the power of Big George with which to diffuse the bomb that was Smokin' Joe. Fury would want a big ring preferably 100 square metres

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Some sort of impetus, ferocious, child devouring style would do the trick

[candyslim]

Hey Jeff, any chance I can get hold of some of whatever it is you're smoking?

[Verdi]

A big Canelo.

[jamesmcdonnell]

A big Canelo.

Yes, a quick mobile fighter with a good defence who can make him miss and land cominations.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He most certainly would and while not being pillow-fisted, Fury doesn't possess the power of Big George with which to diffuse the bomb that was Smokin' Joe. Fury would want a big ring preferably 100 square metres

Joe would have been way too small to be competitive, fury would have huge height reach and weight advantages, and enough power to stiffen joes legs on the way in.

Its a bad style matchup for joe. I always thought alis lack of power made their fights far more competitive and rather flattered Joe, who had a style that relied on relentless pressure.

[candyslim]

Exactly. Relentless pressure. The size advantage only helps if the extra size translates into extra power and / or, if you can maintain the range so as to keep the little guy at distance on the end of your jab. Frazier was well used to giving away height and reach usually about 4 or 5". i don't know if being 9 or 10" inches taller than Frazier is going to give you an advantage over Frazier that being 4 or 5" taller doesn't give you. It could even be a handicap.

A big factor is going to be the size of the ring. If you have say a 16' ring and a relentless body puncher swarming all over you, then having long arms could be a hindrance rather than a help.

Also when I first suggested him as possessing the style to overcome Fury I alluded to a 21st Century Frazier. What I meant by that is where the average size of an elite heavyweight in the 1970s 6' 3" 215lbs is now more like 6' 5" 250 lbs the 21st Century reference pre-supposes the 2020 Frazieresque fighter would be more like 6' 2" and 225lbs. Scary prospect huh?

Of course another factor is going to be the referee. If Fury is allowed to use his bulk to lean all over and rest his weight on the shorter fighter this is going to make a big difference.

[polecateddy]

Someone very committed to applying early pressure. Wlad had him looking quite uncomfortable in that final round, but left it way too late to go for it. These days probably Joyce.

[KiwiRider]

Pressing volume style. Fury doesnt throw much

Cutting ring off is imperative

Absolutely
Doesn't matter the punching power if you can't pin him down.
And if, like you said, a volume guy who can cut the ring has a decent chance on points.

[Evander]

His style is easy to work out.
It's his size.
It's the only division in the sport without weight limitations.

[lazboy]

His style is easy to work out.
It's his size.
It's the only division in the sport without weight limitations.

Don’t agree at all. He’s a multidimensional fighter. Clearly has high ring iq. And that’s what ultimately separates the top fighters, ring iq.

[margaret thatcher]

well since apparently fury just wins staring contests all the time, the world staring contest champion should be able to do it

[Evander]

His style is easy to work out.
It's his size.
It's the only division in the sport without weight limitations.

Don’t agree at all. He’s a multidimensional fighter. Clearly has high ring iq. And that’s what ultimately separates the top fighters, ring iq.

He's not a real multidimensional fighter, he's too big to do most things boxers [The Majority] half his weight box at.
It's just not true so stop talking bollocks.

[margaret thatcher]

he's the most complete fighter stylistically in the division, a guy who outboxed and jabbed wlad from range, outfought chisora inside, backed up and battered wilder aggressively

[lazboy]

His style is easy to work out.
It's his size.
It's the only division in the sport without weight limitations.

Don’t agree at all. He’s a multidimensional fighter. Clearly has high ring iq. And that’s what ultimately separates the top fighters, ring iq.

He's not a real multidimensional fighter, he's too big to do most things boxers [The Majority] half his weight box at.
It's just not true so stop talking bollocks.

I dont know what to say other than you should actually watch one of his fights before commenting on him.

[lazboy]

he's the most complete fighter stylistically in the division, a guy who outboxed and jabbed wlad from range, outfought chisora inside, backed up and battered wilder aggressively

Yea that’s right also don’t forget he can out stare people.

[Evander]

Don’t agree at all. He’s a multidimensional fighter. Clearly has high ring iq. And that’s what ultimately separates the top fighters, ring iq.

He's not a real multidimensional fighter, he's too big to do most things boxers [The Majority] half his weight box at.
It's just not true so stop talking bollocks.

I dont know what to say other than you should actually watch one of his fights before commenting on him.

There's not a man born to his mother more than me that's watched consecutive Tyson Fury fights.

[Evander]

What was Tyson Fury's weight for his last fight against Deontay Wilder ?

273 Pounds

[lazboy]

He's not a real multidimensional fighter, he's too big to do most things boxers [The Majority] half his weight box at.
It's just not true so stop talking bollocks.

I dont know what to say other than you should actually watch one of his fights before commenting on him.

There's not a man born to his mother more than me that's watched consecutive Tyson Fury fights.

Ok I believe you but I don’t understand your perspective to be honest, Especially if you have seen all his fights. No question size and weight comes into it but he’s a legit smart and skilled fighter.

[mickey1975]

Chisora, Wlad and Wilder all refused to throw punches against Fury. Nothing to do with him. What a lucky man.