Heavyweight match up: Roy Jones Jr V Floyd Pattersson

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 05 Jul 2006, 08:22

we only saw roy at hw once and against a b level fighter as well. although i thinkh he probaly could have done well at hw ihe is to small to fight against the bigger guys, so i matched him against another smallish skillful fighter.
who wins this and why?

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 05 Jul 2006, 08:35

thunderfromdownunder wrote:we only saw roy at hw once and against a b level fighter as well. although i thinkh he probaly could have done well at hw ihe is to small to fight against the bigger guys, so i matched him against another smallish skillful fighter.
who wins this and why?

Interesting matchup, as I was thinking of starting a Floyd – Langford thread.

Anyway, I’ve got to go with Floyd in this matchup. I also think RJJ could have had some success in the current HW division, but the fact is that he didn’t stay at HW and the only performance we have to judge him on is a clear but competitive win against a pretty poor HW “titleist”. On the other hand, Floyd performed well over a long period of time against many world class HWs, beating most. And besides a very early loss to Maxim and a late career loss to Ellis, he primarily had problems with punchers. And Muhammed Ali. But you can’t hold that against him.

I would say that Floyd had the speed and aggressiveness to get to Roy, and the punch to put him down. And I don’t think that RJJ would have the power needed to discourage Floyd, so I see Floyd pressing this fight from the opening bell and scoring a relatively easy early round KO.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:08

I think generally that smaller HWs do well against older guys or those who were never that mobile to begin with. Patterson is too accurate and powerful for Jones.

Spinks beat an old Holmes and a plodding faded Cooney. I think the more mobile big men, still in their prime, are simply too much for Jones and almost everyone else moving up so much in weight.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:19

Ezzard wrote:I think generally that smaller HWs do well against older guys or those who were never that mobile to begin with. Patterson is too accurate and powerful for Jones.

Spinks beat an old Holmes and a plodding faded Cooney. I think the more mobile big men, still in their prime, are simply too much for Jones and almost everyone else moving up so much in weight.

Just out of curiosity, who would be considered a “more mobile” big man among the current HWs? They pretty much all look slow, plodding and poorly conditioned. Maybe Audrey?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Jul 2006, 10:39

The Great John L wrote:
Ezzard wrote:I think generally that smaller HWs do well against older guys or those who were never that mobile to begin with. Patterson is too accurate and powerful for Jones.

Spinks beat an old Holmes and a plodding faded Cooney. I think the more mobile big men, still in their prime, are simply too much for Jones and almost everyone else moving up so much in weight.
Just out of curiosity, who would be considered a “more mobile” big man among the current HWs? They pretty much all look slow, plodding and poorly conditioned. Maybe Audrey?

Of the current crop I think you're right. They are all there to be hit and it takes them so long to set themselves to throw their haymakers that I'd expect a mover to be long gone. Even so, i'm not sure Roy has the stomach to figth a Vitali or even a Rahman

Crease · Post by **Crease** » 05 Jul 2006, 12:20

I'd say...

Patterson wins by KO round 7.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 05 Jul 2006, 15:11

and a late career loss to Ellis

u mean a late career win vs ellis, highway robbery

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 06 Jul 2006, 05:52

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
and a late career loss to Ellis
u mean a late career win vs ellis, highway robbery

Yes it was controversial but I'm not in the habit of changing historical records. After all, should we count Ali's loss to Jimmy Young?

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 08 Jul 2006, 02:21

Roy Jones Jr. would win this one, I believe. He was quicker and had a longer reach. Patterson could possibly match his hand speed, but had less mobility than did Jones.

Roy Jones by TKO 9

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 08 Jul 2006, 05:26

I seen the Jones-Ruiz fight...and Jones was given way too much special treatment for that night. Hadn't they had let Ruiz fight the way he did with other HW's, iono if Jones would have stood up to it. The referee kept jumping in everytime Ruiz got an offensive move in.

That first round I will always remember, as Ruiz hit Jones in the stomach and Jones flew literally across the ring, and after that had happened...Jones was given special treatment.

Patterson was aggressive, in my opinion had faster hand speed than even Ali did, and packed a very good punch, that KO of Ingo was tremendous, never in my life have I seen someone twitch that awful from a KO blow (Ingo's feet was shaking at 100mph).

Interesting how both men climbed from middleweight to heavyweight, but Jones in my opinion never faced great fighters, with the exception of Hopkins and burned out Toney; not down playing his skills, but no matter what division he was in, he never took the risky fights.

I remember one person once wrote of Jones place in history, that he may very well have been better skill-wise than most fighters before him, but if Moore, Conn, Foster or anyone else was in his era, he wouldn't have fought them. Ironically, I believe Patterson was a greater fighter AFTER his title reign(s) and he was robbed when he faced Ellis, he should have been the first 3x HW champion.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 08 Jul 2006, 11:15

Id say Patterson would KO Jones in ten or so rounds. would be a good match of speed but Pattersonwould be too much for Jones.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 08 Jul 2006, 12:31

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:I believe Patterson was a greater fighter AFTER his title reign(s).

This is an opinion that I have a lot of time for. As I believe Pattersons main weakness as a fighter (apart from maybe his chin) was lack of confidence and after he recovered from the Liston defeats he appeared to slowly gain just a little more confidence in his Boxing ability, that's my take on his career anyway.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 09 Jul 2006, 12:31

Decagon wrote:Patterson always had trouble with fast fighters, even dating back to his Joey Maxim bout.

I guess being faster than 95% of any fighter he faught, that 5% would fool him! Speed wise.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 09 Jul 2006, 20:52

We don't havemuch to gone since Jones only fought at heavyweight once. It's doubtful that Jones would be able to hurt Patterson; so Patterson chances would be good. He would be able to cope with Jones speed and should be able to stop Jones in the later rounds.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 09 Jul 2006, 23:11

The Great John L wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
and a late career loss to Ellis
u mean a late career win vs ellis, highway robbery
Yes it was controversial but I'm not in the habit of changing historical records. After all, should we count Ali's loss to Jimmy Young?

ok fine, then holyfield drew with lennox lewis

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 09 Jul 2006, 23:18

Decagon wrote:Patterson always had trouble with fast fighters, even dating back to his Joey Maxim bout.

who the hell was faster than floyd besides ali? and even then a 37 year old floyd gave ali a boxing lesson for the first 6 rounds. floyd had a awfully hurt back that really affected his preformance in 1965, i would have like to seen a heathy floyd fight ali in 1965 and perhaps it would have been a much better fight, much like there 1972 encounter.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 10 Jul 2006, 01:34

Decagon wrote:Maxim's speed was comparable to Patterson's.

no way u must be joking. archie moore looked a lot faster than joey maxim in there 1952 title fight. was moore as fast as patterson?

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 10 Jul 2006, 15:05

Decagon wrote:Patterson always had trouble with fast fighters, even dating back to his Joey Maxim bout.

That decision was awful. Patterson clearly beat Maxim.

Flump · Post by **Flump** » 11 Jul 2006, 08:16

Patterson by late rounds TKO. Too much posing from RJJ, too much punching from Floyd.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 14 Jul 2006, 11:47

Patterson was faster than Ali according to Henry Cooper, who fought Ali twice and (a past his prime) Patterson once.