Round-by-Round: Josh Warrington vs. Mauricio Lara - 13 February 2021

[Steveh583]

classy. well done barry. didnt expect that

[bigjack]

dont get people saying it should have been stopped in the fourth. it's a fight, you go down and if you can get up you get the chance to put it right. warrington had a decent fifth, but it looked to me like he was gassed early so either over or under trained. it said he had a new S and C coach so i'd be asking a few questions there. he certainly didnt start as though he was confident of doing 10 rounds at his usual pace.

If the ref had asked Josh to walk straight towards him after the first KD, he would have wobbled- and that's a stoppage.

He wobbled back to his corner so yes,stop it immediately

[danconnollyeire]

Fosters so odd. He stopped groves but not Warrington after that funny dance to the corner after the fourth

[Steveh583]

Enjoyed seeing Warrington lose. His fans are enough to put you off any fighter. Glad he's not sustained any injury and was OK in the end,hopefully he will come back a bit more humble,and his fans will GTF

i get more annoyed by the fans who run down his achievements just cos of the football team he supports

[Delta Jay]

i think there is for sure some element of corruption, some extra incentive being provided for the judges to go for the homeboi, which they constantly do to a hugely disporportionate degree. it doesnt have to necessarily be bags of cash and all that, and im not specifically saying your man eddeh's behind it

and i mean, having a predetermined unfair bias to score in favour of someone simply because you know theyre more popular is for sure corruption too, it's not being a poor judge who cant tell a clean hit from a swing and a miss

There may be nice hotels/meals/drinks for judges but I’d be amazed if there’s anything more formal than that and if it was happening with one promoter then I’d maybe expect more to it but it’s all promoters. I listened to an interview with Jon Pegg the other day. One judge had the Eggington vs Theophane fight level after 6 rounds (Theophane was promoter’s fighter at that point).

Corruption involves someone gaining from doing something which I don’t think this is and may not even be pre-determined but if they’re mulling over who to give a round to the vast majority of the time they go for the ‘easy’ option. Whether you call it corruption or incompetence or whatever it needs addressing and needs to stop.

I've been debating and and discussing the judging issue in boxing for years. It's the reason why the fightnight scores scorecard system exists!!

Back in 2017 (as it was when I made the initial concept), I was wondering why and arguing the fact that in this day and age of technology, is boxing the only one not to take up modern tech to improve things.
Why are they still doing scorecards on pen and paper? Apart from compubox, which isn't by any means accurate and is only used for TV analysis, why doesn't boxing try new things with tech?

I created a boxing scorecard with the added requirement of adding a valid reason along with the 10 pont must scores.
This very minor addition means the judge must at least put SOME thought into why they are indicating a round was won
It answers the question "how the f*!k did they score that round like that?", which us fight fans continually ask!
It provides a snapshot of their thinking at that moment in time. It's not revolutionary, but it adds some kind of countability to the official if they had to provide that one extra detail on their scorecard. And my system provides a set number of possible reasons to select from why the round was won!

As well as adding some accountability, there would be no need for the strange delays when adding up scorecards at the end of fights. Electronic cards will tally up the totals instantly with no need for discussions or dodgy corrections!

But boxing is a dinosaur, and it'll probably always be resistent to any changes that rock the boat!

Really good post.

Compubox is a load of, said it a few times on here.

There’s no incentive for the people who run it to iron out the corruption, and that’s why it’s still going on.

[maley1984]

Enjoyed seeing Warrington lose. His fans are enough to put you off any fighter. Glad he's not sustained any injury and was OK in the end,hopefully he will come back a bit more humble,and his fans will GTF

i get more annoyed by the fans who run down his achievements just cos of the football team he supports

Spot on. I've followed him b4 the sky deal. He brought 50 odd fans down to the midlands for a English title fight (loads of banter that night no trouble what so ever l). Spent time him and Sean at the weigh in and after the fight. Great bloke's. If u get the opportunity he has had to use the football club to sell tickets and build your profile why wudnt u do it. Its made him alot more money than if he was still selling 50-100 tickets a show. His rised from the small halls to selling a stadium fight written off multiple times and came thru the odds. Last night was a major shock. I hope he bounces back

[Delta Jay]

Adam Booth is a bit of a weirdo, but he does bring some welcome sensible analysis to Sky Sports.

Adam has his own style, always reminds me of a very calm schoolteacher. But he talks sense and says it as it is, He is deffo not a 'yes' man.

Is Lara now the Linear champion......

He’s good podcast, bad telly.

[Boxerbeetle]

Yeah it’s a bit weird to dislike someone just because of who they support. Definitely annoys me when Sky ram it down our throats all the time, but that’s nothing to do with Warrington really.

[keirw]

Warrington didn't look as sharp as he usually does, he has never been a puncher but his accuracy and work rate usually give his opponents pause.

Last night he didn't seem to get going at all and when he tried to press the action in the fourth he left his chin exposed and got caught with a solid hook that he never really recovered from.

Credit to Lara, he grabbed his opportunity with both hands. He may not be champion, but he has put himself in good stead for a shot in the near future and some good pay days lie in store for him.

[Jimmy2020]

Says the guy who hasn’t fought in a year.

That’s his point, and why he tried to squeeze one in in December. He’s said on record it’s unfair for him to be out this long, BJS to be so inactive and even used Conor McGregor as an example. He’s been very vocal about it.

Concerning from Fury. Sounds like someone getting a pre-packaged excuse for losing prepared. Didn't expect that from him.

[Fightnight Scores]

Enjoyed seeing Warrington lose. His fans are enough to put you off any fighter. Glad he's not sustained any injury and was OK in the end,hopefully he will come back a bit more humble,and his fans will GTF

i get more annoyed by the fans who run down his achievements just cos of the football team he supports

Spot on. I've followed him b4 the sky deal. He brought 50 odd fans down to the midlands for a English title fight (loads of banter that night no trouble what so ever l). Spent time him and Sean at the weigh in and after the fight. Great bloke's. If u get the opportunity he has had to use the football club to sell tickets and build your profile why wudnt u do it. Its made him alot more money than if he was still selling 50-100 tickets a show. His rised from the small halls to selling a stadium fight written off multiple times and came thru the odds. Last night was a major shock. I hope he bounces back

I'm not sure why boxers go all in with their football side in all honesty! Given that football makes everybody so tribal and boxing isn't a team sport!

Of course nailing your colours to the mast and getting fans of that club behind you could indeed amp up the fan tally. Just look at Hatton, Bellew, Crolla and now Warrington but for every 1 fan of your particular club there's a supporter of 19 other premier league clubs who hate them, and in turn now hate that boxer who associates with their team so much.

And it doesn't always work, it actually requires some level of success, exposure and probably personality in the first place. Didn't Terry Flanagan go with the same kind of thing? City are my team, wearing shorts the same colour etc?....I don't recall him having an army behind him and he was a long time undefeated fighter who got to world title level.

It's all good and well asking why people dislike a boxer just due to their football team, but it really does make it hard to get behind them. I'd rather not know who a boxer supports, so that I can get behind them for their boxing ability and their decency as a person.

[mickey1975]

Very few teams are as disliked as Leeds. Hatton went out of his way to not alienate anyone, he even had Rooney carry his belts for him. Sky have continuously hammered home the Leeds thing. I know loads of Leeds fans who’ve never been to a show except Josh.

[mickey1975]

Says the guy who hasn’t fought in a year.

That’s his point, and why he tried to squeeze one in in December. He’s said on record it’s unfair for him to be out this long, BJS to be so inactive and even used Conor McGregor as an example. He’s been very vocal about it.

Concerning from Fury. Sounds like someone getting a pre-packaged excuse for losing prepared. Didn't expect that from him.

He’s got a point, but he did add he was so far ahead of everyone he can get away with it.

[Delta Jay]

Feels like Warrington lost, as opposed Lara winning.

So I feel compelled to say, from the first bell he was aggressive, assertive and clearly wanted to win. Took his chances and really went for it whenever he had Josh hurt. Might be a great champion for some time to come, hope he squeezes every fuckin penny out of the UK promoter who signs him now. Can’t take a single thing away from him!

[Fightnight Scores]

Very few teams are as disliked as Leeds. Hatton went out of his way to not alienate anyone, he even had Rooney carry his belts for him. Sky have continuously hammered home the Leeds thing. I know loads of Leeds fans who’ve never been to a show except Josh.

That's true on both counts. Think Hatton actually United the city of Manchester at some point despite his strong association with City. Probably helped that his success came just around the time city were about to become the success they are today, so the rivalry maybe wasn't quite so intense.

[Fightnight Scores]

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But boxing is a dinosaur, and it'll probably always be resistent to any changes that rock the boat!

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There’s no incentive for the people who run it to iron out the corruption, and that’s why it’s still going on.

This and there being various different governing bodies globally, and commisions or boards at more local levels. Rules and regulations all over the place.

It would take either one of the more dominant/leading entities above to either take a lead in making changes and others may follow.....or a huge gathering of heads coming together to iron out some common regulations/changes.

Simply put, never going to happen

[maverick23]

That’s his point, and why he tried to squeeze one in in December. He’s said on record it’s unfair for him to be out this long, BJS to be so inactive and even used Conor McGregor as an example. He’s been very vocal about it.

Concerning from Fury. Sounds like someone getting a pre-packaged excuse for losing prepared. Didn't expect that from him.

He’s got a point, but he did add he was so far ahead of everyone he can get away with it.

If he genuinely believes that you should be active then why didn’t he fight in December? Of course it wouldn’t have been a massive payday compared to some of his other fights but it would have blown off the cobwebs a little bit and he would have pocketed several million.

I fully agree by the way that to get the best out of fighters they need to be active but it seems like Tyson had the opportunity.

[Fray Bentos]

The Goyo Vargas effect - (or the Frank Cedeno/Rolando Navarette/Juan Diaz etc) someone - usually from Latin America (before the more pedantic posters on here point it out - I know Frank Cedeno was a Filipino and the Philippines is in SE Asia) who none of us have ever heard of never mind rated... comes over and flattens the local hero in stark fashion... Warrington wasn't the first nor will he be the last but he has done amazing to get to where he did with his style and lack of punch power. Well done Josh...

[Counter-puncher]

Adam Booth is a bit of a weirdo, but he does bring some welcome sensible analysis to Sky Sports.

Adam has his own style, always reminds me of a very calm schoolteacher. But he talks sense and says it as it is, He is deffo not a 'yes' man.

Is Lara now the Linear champion......

He’s good podcast, bad telly.

Ha

[bigjack]

The Goyo Vargas effect - (or the Frank Cedeno/Rolando Navarette/Juan Diaz etc) someone - usually from Latin America (before the more pedantic posters on here point it out - I know Frank Cedeno was a Filipino and the Philippines is in SE Asia) who none of us have ever heard of never mind rated... comes over and flattens the local hero in stark fashion... Warrington wasn't the first nor will he be the last but he has done amazing to get to where he did with his style and lack of punch power. Well done Josh...

I agree,Lara really wanted it and simply hit too hard,he was winging those left hooks in just like Prescott did with Khan.There are probably hundreds of mexican fighters who could do something similar if given the chance.

[Twinkle Toes]

If he genuinely believes that you should be active then why didn’t he fight in December? Of course it wouldn’t have been a massive payday compared to some of his other fights but it would have blown off the cobwebs a little bit and he would have pocketed several million.

I fully agree by the way that to get the best out of fighters they need to be active but it seems like Tyson had the opportunity.

He wanted to fight didn't he, insisted on it even. In fact it went as far as announcing a date: December 5th against Kabayel.

It appears that when it came to the crunch though his team of promoters couldn't make the PPV work and there was no money to be made. Fight off

[cormack]

JW can come back and rebuild , he has the rematch clause and will probably blame the 16 month layoff plus the lack of a crowd .
Lara had " hands of stone " type power and just seemed to walk through warringtons punches .

Hope is ok after being to A& E ,that was a pretty sound beating and really his corner were at fault big style.

[Counter-puncher]

Even the judges are going to struggle to give zelfa decision here .

Lol. This comment aged badly

NEVER underestimate UK judging...

[MarkMcBurney]

If he genuinely believes that you should be active then why didn’t he fight in December? Of course it wouldn’t have been a massive payday compared to some of his other fights but it would have blown off the cobwebs a little bit and he would have pocketed several million.

I fully agree by the way that to get the best out of fighters they need to be active but it seems like Tyson had the opportunity.

He wanted to fight didn't he, insisted on it even. In fact it went as far as announcing a date: December 5th against Kabayel.

It appears that when it came to the crunch though his team of promoters couldn't make the PPV work and there was no money to be made. Fight off

I thought there was a legal challenge by Wilder over the third fight which put the kibosh on December?

[bigjack]

JW can come back and rebuild , he has the rematch clause and will probably blame the 16 month layoff plus the lack of a crowd .
Lara had " hands of stone " type power and just seemed to walk through warringtons punches .

Hope is ok after being to A& E ,that was a pretty sound beating and really his corner were at fault big style.

he may not want a rematch,sure he'll be scarred form that beating.Lara is only 22 so time is on his side anyway for rematches down the road.