British judges/referees tonight - Warrington card

[margaret thatcher]

[Lennox]

Bad judging has always happened in the UK. Certainly since 1991 when I started collecting statistics the UK is by far the worse country for hometown judging.

That aside, commentary can be very bias. I watched Barrett v Martinez and I scored it 117-111 for Barrett. I scored rounds 5, 8 and 10 for Martinez. The 3rd round was close, so best I could have made for Martinez was a 116-112 loss. So I think the judges got this one right.

Martinez came forward and was the aggressor, Barrett fought off the back foot, picking shots, he defended Martinez shots better many of which were not scoring punches. Primarily boxing is scored by Scoring Punches. Watch it again without the sound in particular rounds 1 to 7 which seem the area for dispute where Sky TV scored for Martinez. Many of the rounds were 23-13 in terms of scoring punches in Barrett's favour. You can miss a few scoring punches from TV and even from ringside but not really a ten point gap. The Sky commentary team do this a lot and are widely out.

So all I will say is watch it again- Sound off and count the scoring punches.

[margaret thatcher]

I watched it with the sound off and had Kiko winning, you sound like you fell into the trap of thinking someone is outboxing their opponent just because they are moving backward and jabbing air

[margaret thatcher]

Bad judging has always happened in the UK. Certainly since 1991 when I started collecting statistics the UK is by far the worse country for hometown judging.

That aside, commentary can be very bias. I watched Barrett v Martinez and I scored it 117-111 for Barrett. I scored rounds 5, 8 and 10 for Martinez. The 3rd round was close, so best I could have made for Martinez was a 116-112 loss. So I think the judges got this one right.

Martinez came forward and was the aggressor, Barrett fought off the back foot, picking shots, he defended Martinez shots better many of which were not scoring punches. Primarily boxing is scored by Scoring Punches. Watch it again without the sound in particular rounds 1 to 7 which seem the area for dispute where Sky TV scored for Martinez. Many of the rounds were 23-13 in terms of scoring punches in Barrett's favour. You can miss a few scoring punches from TV and even from ringside but not really a ten point gap. The Sky commentary team do this a lot and are widely out.

So all I will say is watch it again- Sound off and count the scoring punches.

23-13....where does that punch stat come from? because the compubox ones have martinez outlanding zelda 10 rounds to 1 with 1 even

your homemade ones?

[Jimmy2020]

I had Zelfa winning a good, close match.

[Jimmy2020]

compubox

I'd put no more faith in compubox than Lennox. 'Compubox' is just some bloke counting too, you know.

[Nightmare Roy]

Not one of them will change f**k all

Yep, guy in charge has more or less said so, if I was an overseas/away champion I wouldn't come near the uk

[Jimmy2020]

It's not about country of origin. Give me an example of a big name overseas fighter that has had a close decision go against him in the UK.

[Lennox]

Bad judging has always happened in the UK. Certainly since 1991 when I started collecting statistics the UK is by far the worse country for hometown judging.

That aside, commentary can be very bias. I watched Barrett v Martinez and I scored it 117-111 for Barrett. I scored rounds 5, 8 and 10 for Martinez. The 3rd round was close, so best I could have made for Martinez was a 116-112 loss. So I think the judges got this one right.

Martinez came forward and was the aggressor, Barrett fought off the back foot, picking shots, he defended Martinez shots better many of which were not scoring punches. Primarily boxing is scored by Scoring Punches. Watch it again without the sound in particular rounds 1 to 7 which seem the area for dispute where Sky TV scored for Martinez. Many of the rounds were 23-13 in terms of scoring punches in Barrett's favour. You can miss a few scoring punches from TV and even from ringside but not really a ten point gap. The Sky commentary team do this a lot and are widely out.

So all I will say is watch it again- Sound off and count the scoring punches.

23-13....where does that punch stat come from? because the compubox ones have martinez outlanding zelda 10 rounds to 1 with 1 even

your homemade ones?

Yes

[Lennox]

I watched it with the sound off and had Kiko winning, you sound like you fell into the trap of thinking someone is outboxing their opponent just because they are moving backward and jabbing air

No other way - Martinez was not scoring. Check their faces

[mickey1975]

It's not about country of origin. Give me an example of a big name overseas fighter that has had a close decision go against him in the UK.

They usually get benefit! Especially if big American networks are involved. Hardy, Brodie, Crolla all got done over, that’s just off the top of my head. Froch got a favour against Dirrel.

[GreenLightning]

Hasn't Robert Smith been the head of the board for about 2 decades now? How much garbage has went on under his watch

[GreenLightning]

I watched it with the sound off and had Kiko winning, you sound like you fell into the trap of thinking someone is outboxing their opponent just because they are moving backward and jabbing air

No other way - Martinez was not scoring. Check their faces

Some fighters mark up extremely easy, others hardly at all, Hatton looked like half his face was hanging off after the first punch from Jon Thaxton, Framptons face was way worse than Kikos after their fight and he won clearly

[margaret thatcher]

compubox

I'd put no more faith in compubox than Lennox. 'Compubox' is just some bloke counting too, you know.

oh of course, i was just asking where our boi got the numbers from, you know

[margaret thatcher]

I watched it with the sound off and had Kiko winning, you sound like you fell into the trap of thinking someone is outboxing their opponent just because they are moving backward and jabbing air

No other way - Martinez was not scoring. Check their faces

very poor method to use

[MightyWarrior]

I can’t see it here, who were the judges who scored the Barrett fight

[maninthemiddle]

Bad judging has always happened in the UK. Certainly since 1991 when I started collecting statistics the UK is by far the worse country for hometown judging.

That aside, commentary can be very bias. I watched Barrett v Martinez and I scored it 117-111 for Barrett. I scored rounds 5, 8 and 10 for Martinez. The 3rd round was close, so best I could have made for Martinez was a 116-112 loss. So I think the judges got this one right.

Martinez came forward and was the aggressor, Barrett fought off the back foot, picking shots, he defended Martinez shots better many of which were not scoring punches. Primarily boxing is scored by Scoring Punches. Watch it again without the sound in particular rounds 1 to 7 which seem the area for dispute where Sky TV scored for Martinez. Many of the rounds were 23-13 in terms of scoring punches in Barrett's favour. You can miss a few scoring punches from TV and even from ringside but not really a ten point gap. The Sky commentary team do this a lot and are widely out.

So all I will say is watch it again- Sound off and count the scoring punches.

At last somebody talking some sense..
Don’t be lazy, if your passionate about your sport, do your own compubox...(TV isn’t the best way of scoring fights but it’s all we’ve got now so give it a go)
Some idiots just want to slag off whoever is in charge.
Never ever known a fight so comprehensively scored in one fighters favour generate so much debate...person who has lost out here is Zelfa Barrett..made a good step up and won comfortably..

[mickey1975]

The most worrying aspect of British officiating on Saturday night was it was Big Terry’s night off.

[rhino222]

Terry had to pay the promoter back for the chateaubriand he had consumed the night before along with two bottles of Chateauneuf du pape.

[rhino222]

For the record punch stats mean fornicate all.

In a 3 round fight......as a pro

Round 1 Fighter A lands 27 punches fighter B lands 5
Round 2 Fighter A lands 15 punches fighter B lands 16
Round 3 Fighter A lands 18 punches fighter B lands 20

Punches landed Fighter A 60 Fighter B 41 ..... so does Fighter A win the fight according to punchstats?

In reality.........Fighter A only won the first round so scores 28 points.......Fighter B wins the second and third so 29 points

So......punchstats mean fornicate all.

[Biglid]

I do not see why in this day and age neutral judges from different countries cannot judge fights remotely. They could watch the fights with the sound turned off and at the end send in their scores. It would be the equivalent to football's VAR. It does not seem right to have 4 British officials when you have a British fighter boxing someone from another country.

[Ruthless-RKO]

For the record punch stats mean fornicate all.

In a 3 round fight......as a pro

Round 1 Fighter A lands 27 punches fighter B lands 5
Round 2 Fighter A lands 15 punches fighter B lands 16
Round 3 Fighter A lands 18 punches fighter B lands 20

Punches landed Fighter A 60 Fighter B 41 ..... so does Fighter A win the fight according to punchstats?

In reality.........Fighter A only won the first round so scores 28 points.......Fighter B wins the second and third so 29 points

So......punchstats mean fornicate all.

You don’t score the fight as a whole. It’s round by round..

Then you look at other factors? Like effectiveness etc.

[Lennox]

I do not see why in this day and age neutral judges from different countries cannot judge fights remotely. They could watch the fights with the sound turned off and at the end send in their scores. It would be the equivalent to football's VAR. It does not seem right to have 4 British officials when you have a British fighter boxing someone from another country.

I agree 100%. fights should be scored remotely. A judge WILL be swayed to the home fighter when 2000 are cheering for the home fighter and only the cornerman for the poor Romanian.

As it stands with ringside judging away fighters start 4 rounds down I reckon.

Probably needs a 5 judge panel as well.

[Coco]

If you feel judges are corrupt or inept the answer isnt to get more judges its about getting good judges.

While a judge, esp a bad one, could be swayed by home town support it certainly hasnt been a factor in recent decisions.

What we need is good judges full stop.

[coneye]

Mmmmm So some say Martinez came forward , and did score , others say Barret boxed going backwards and scored more ,
So what you need to do is analize what a scoring punch is , now unless they have changed it a scoring punch is

Hitting the opponent with the KNUCKLE part of the glove , on the body or head , frontal not rear , It should be an effective punch WITH the weight of the shoulder behind said punch ... .

Now go watch it again with that in mind