Round-by-Round: Josh Kelly vs. David Avanesyan - 20 February 2021

[Counter-puncher]

It’s always amusing watching someone think he’s all slick using a philly shell, and he’s actually got his lead shoulder lower than his rear shoulder half the time. Ava had a really good answer to his crap half-shell switching southpaw and landing the right hook over that low shoulder and the body shots down the middle with the left.

[margaret thatcher]

ya noticed him switching stances a lot....i couldnt remember if he usually does that or if he brought it out for this fight

[liamlion]

Scores please !

Kelly's style divides opinion - could have some wildly different numbers...

Folks need to score the fight here! We can get a BoxRec group scorecard going
https://fight-score.com/fight/david-ava ... ref=boxrec

Great shout pal - thanks for the link.

I used it for the first time on last night’s main event. Will start using it regularly

[Counter-puncher]

Oh dear. Literally every criticism that ‘forum nerds who’ve never even laced them up’ have been making for years was right. Josh’s face showed panic and then submission very very early for my liking.

[Counter-puncher]

ya noticed him switching stances a lot....i couldnt remember if he usually does that or if he brought it out for this fight

It’s a great way to fck with someone trying the shell but they’re not very good or experienced at it

I sometimes think the philly shell insofar as it is taught in British gyms, is taught really badly, has anyone seen a British fighter do it well?

I mean I’m just a ‘forum nerd who’s never even laced them up’, but, having your lead shoulder higher than your rear shoulder, it’s kind of important (understatement), so how come so many crap British attempts at the Philly shell don’t do it? Do their coaches actually teach them?

[coneye]

has shane really been training frampton since framp turned over? wouldnt that made shane about 19

i thought he started around the time carl won the european, 4-5 years later, though tbf that's hardly like taking on a highly seasoned pro whose already been there , done that, and could get results if my nan trained them

In Framptons case , I believe he learnt his boxing from the previous coaches ,, he knew the game backwards what was and was not needed ,,, he benefited from the mcguigans through Barrys keen eye and matchmaking , Shane just run the gym where he kept in shape , but to be fair to Shane i think he probably has more potential than most to become a great trainer , he comes from a boxing familly , i would off liked to see him has an assistant coach for the last few years to someone like Tibbs , learning to get the most important thing a trainer needs ,,, what i call THE EYE ,,, the eye to spot anything and everything and spot it straight away

Tibbs has been in nearly every McGuigan corner and Frampton never turned over with Shane.

We know , Frampton was already a top pro before he went with Mcguigan ,, But regards Tibbs he should of been head trainer with Shane the bucket man , learning how to do it , you should watch and learn , and it takes years .

[Counter-puncher]

I’m going to have a guess and say Kash Farooq and Ian Napa are two British fighters that actually used the shell/roll properly. I don’t think I can remember any others. Some of Booth’s fighters used it in the same half-arsed way that Kelly does

[Ruthless-RKO]

Last night was difference between ‘looking good’ and ‘actually being good’..

[Frostieballs]

I’m going to have a guess and say Kash Farooq and Ian Napa are two British fighters that actually used the shell/roll properly. I don’t think I can remember any others. Some of Booth’s fighters used it in the same half-arsed way that Kelly does

Yes, Napa did it well.

[Frostieballs]

Anyone know what time the netball is on?

[blanca]

Anyone know what time the netball is on?

dunno but Adam 'Slot one in my hoop' Smith is rrrrrreaallllly looking forward to it

[Fightnight Scores]

Scores please !

Kelly's style divides opinion - could have some wildly different numbers...

Folks need to score the fight here! We can get a BoxRec group scorecard going
https://fight-score.com/fight/david-ava ... ref=boxrec

Great shout pal - thanks for the link.

I used it for the first time on last night’s main event. Will start using it regularly

Good man! Glad to have you on board. The number of users is slowly growing, but people seem to like the concept.

I have added both of you to the Boxrec group, where you can see other user's scores, side by side card comparison, as well as the collaborative scorecard & round by round data analysis for the group specifically.

We could get some good scorecard data in future fights with more forum users.

Link to the group: https://fight-score.com/group/10005 (need to be signed in)

[TheLeprechaun]

I’m going to have a guess and say Kash Farooq and Ian Napa are two British fighters that actually used the shell/roll properly. I don’t think I can remember any others. Some of Booth’s fighters used it in the same half-arsed way that Kelly does

Degale used it and rolled with punches a lot. He got hit but it was an integral part of his style.

Pricey displayed a sophisticated philly shell vs Dave Allen.

[dookus]

ya noticed him switching stances a lot....i couldnt remember if he usually does that or if he brought it out for this fight

He did it against Kavaliauskas quite a bit from round 3 onwards.

Incidentally, I think the Kavaliauskas TKO might have led to Ava being unnecessarily under-rated for this fight. After a dodgy start in that one too, Ava was coming on very well by mixing up his point of approach / switching stance off the lead right / short combos from different angles etc. He was well in the fight by round 6, but got caught with a huge right hand and stopped on his feet in the follow-up.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[knockout]

Classy post by Adam.
He understands the dynamics of looking after your fighters as he does it himself .

He looks for the lowest risk / highest reward for his fighters which as a fan is irritating but for the boxers he manages/train shows he has their health and best interests at heart.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Classy post by Adam.
He understands the dynamics of looking after your fighters as he does it himself .

He looks for the lowest risk / highest reward for his fighters which as a fan is irritating but for the boxers he manages/train shows he has their health and best interests at heart.

Yeh, plus last week he was spot on about what he said about Warrington not being pulled out.

JK didn’t look AS BAD as JoshWarr did, but he wasn’t looking good.

[dookus]

Classy post by Adam.
He understands the dynamics of looking after your fighters as he does it himself .

He looks for the lowest risk / highest reward for his fighters which as a fan is irritating but for the boxers he manages/train shows he has their health and best interests at heart.

Yeh, plus last week he was spot on about what he said about Warrington not being pulled out.

JK didn’t look AS BAD as JoshWarr did, but he wasn’t looking good.

It was the way Kelly's right leg stiffened while pulling away from Ava's attacks (just before the 2nd KD), that did it, I think. Legs totally gone and no other defence against a marauding Ava.

[Counter-puncher]

I’m going to have a guess and say Kash Farooq and Ian Napa are two British fighters that actually used the shell/roll properly. I don’t think I can remember any others. Some of Booth’s fighters used it in the same half-arsed way that Kelly does

Degale used it and rolled with punches a lot. He got hit but it was an integral part of his style.

Pricey displayed a sophisticated philly shell vs Dave Allen.

Good call yeah Degale did it in a kind of half-arsed way

[Twinkle Toes]

Classy post by Adam.
He understands the dynamics of looking after your fighters as he does it himself .

He looks for the lowest risk / highest reward for his fighters which as a fan is irritating but for the boxers he manages/train shows he has their health and best interests at heart.

The towel was a good call.

However many of us have said that Kelly has learnt very little while under Booth's spell. If he had then no towel would have been needed.

[KiwiRider]

These dildos not even considering social distancing, even when cameras are present.

[a force]

I Think a lot of these sort of fights are lost in the gym and the prep ,,,, More and more you see the fighters being trained and conditioned , by non boxing people who think there boxing people , dietisc'ns , strenghth coaches , ect , and then the celebrity trainer throws in his pearls of wisdom , and they forget the whole basics of boxing is , HAVE A FIGHT ,,, whilst they spensd there time in air conditioned gyms , on running machines , eating lettuce ,, these mexicans , especielly are training for what it is , a hard fight , , and win by being tougher and hitting harder ,,, celebrity trainers think rowing in a machine , eating cucumber sandwhiches and losing weight to be big but weak is the key ..

For me quite a lot , get there through hard work and learning of there ameteur coaches , and then don't develop when they leave them and go with celebrity trainers , full of wisdom and knoledge they read in a book

Think you make some great points. I think if you look at the best conditioned British fighters who’ve got great chins & can do 12 rounds comfortably like Froch & Burns they’re old school & are obsessed with running. Froch recorded all his times & was recording PB’s well into his 30’s. Burns does 10k’s & half marathons for fun.

Joe Gallagher’s fighters are always well conditioned & he had them running up the hills around Dovestones reservoir.

I think maybe Booth gets carried away with the treadmill & sprints because it worked so well for Haye but these lower weight fighters need stamina & need to do lots of running in my opinion.

[THEBUTCH]

Kelly fought very well for a few rounds, even wobbling David in the 2nd, but once Avanesyan's heavy hands started landing with some regularity he brought about the finish.

Give Kelly his due, he didn't quit but was heavily outgunned and Booth made the right call throwing in the towel

Not sure I'm on board with the seemingly obligatory "weight card" being dragged out. It simply looked a case of being beaten by the better man.

[DrDuke]

A fun fight. Ava punished the cocky Mayweather-wannabe.

[Teddy's Toupee]

I’m going to have a guess and say Kash Farooq and Ian Napa are two British fighters that actually used the shell/roll properly. I don’t think I can remember any others. Some of Booth’s fighters used it in the same half-arsed way that Kelly does

Ola Afolabi.