Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez vs. Billy Joe Saunders - 8 May 2021

[bigjack]

He'll have to be very fast on his feet as both of those were ko'd brutally with one punch.

Both chins of the finest porcelain however, whereas I can't recall an instance of the Travelling Prankster ever being hurt (although I must confess I've only ever watched about 3 of his fights) let alone down.

I wonder what ridiculous odds I can get to throw away a fiver on?

that random albanian guy he fought a couple fights ago hurt him

Was just going to say that,definitely did a chicken dance

[bigjack]

A past his best Khan outboxed him til he got caught, a way past his best Kovalev outboxed him til he ran out of energy, if a prime Bill really believes in himself, gets fit and sticks to a plan he can cause Canelo real problems

He'll have to be very fast on his feet as both of those were ko'd brutally with one punch.

Both chins of the finest porcelain however, whereas I can't recall an instance of the Travelling Prankster ever being hurt (although I must confess I've only ever watched about 3 of his fights) let alone down.

I wonder what ridiculous odds I can get to throw away a fiver on?

China chinned Kovalev ? you mean the multi world champion who had only been actually been ko'd once before Canelo brutalised him ? yes khan is china chinned but he's only been sparked out cold once by Canelo

[Verdi]

A past his best Khan outboxed him til he got caught, a way past his best Kovalev outboxed him til he ran out of energy, if a prime Bill really believes in himself, gets fit and sticks to a plan he can cause Canelo real problems

A lot of amazing fighters are slow starters. It's their high ring iq that allows them to figure their opponent out and take control of the fight. Usyk is another prime example of this.

[tonyevs]

Canelo is truly a throwback fighter. He breaks people down brilliantly. Before the Smith fight there was 50/50 saying Smith's size would cause problems ... But Canelo literally broke him down by bashing not just the body, but like the old timers used to do, he bashed the arms too. It takes a confident fighter to have that long game plan.

[Cyclops]

He'll have to be very fast on his feet as both of those were ko'd brutally with one punch.

Both chins of the finest porcelain however, whereas I can't recall an instance of the Travelling Prankster ever being hurt (although I must confess I've only ever watched about 3 of his fights) let alone down.

I wonder what ridiculous odds I can get to throw away a fiver on?

China chinned Kovalev ? you mean the multi world champion who had only been actually been ko'd once before Canelo brutalised him ? yes khan is china chinned but he's only been sparked out cold once by Canelo

That's not true, is it? He'd been stopped twice and put over a few times, and was in serious trouble against total fraud Yarde as well before Canelo. I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the guy from Ward 1. What's your point? Do you watch boxing or what?

[bigjack]

Both chins of the finest porcelain however, whereas I can't recall an instance of the Travelling Prankster ever being hurt (although I must confess I've only ever watched about 3 of his fights) let alone down.

I wonder what ridiculous odds I can get to throw away a fiver on?

China chinned Kovalev ? you mean the multi world champion who had only been actually been ko'd once before Canelo brutalised him ? yes khan is china chinned but he's only been sparked out cold once by Canelo

That's not true, is it? He'd been stopped twice and put over a few times, and was in serious trouble against total fraud Yarde as well before Canelo. I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the guy from Ward 1. What's your point? Do you watch boxing or what?

Before Canelo ko'd him he had been ko'd once and the other i'm sure you will know was a blatant foul -do you ever watch boxing ?

[Cyclops]

China chinned Kovalev ? you mean the multi world champion who had only been actually been ko'd once before Canelo brutalised him ? yes khan is china chinned but he's only been sparked out cold once by Canelo

That's not true, is it? He'd been stopped twice and put over a few times, and was in serious trouble against total fraud Yarde as well before Canelo. I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the guy from Ward 1. What's your point? Do you watch boxing or what?

Before Canelo ko'd him he had been ko'd once and the other i'm sure you will know was a blatant foul -do you ever watch boxing ?

As much as I liked Kov Ward had given him a decent old crack that definitely put some water in the basement before the testicle punishing finish. And do you deny the obvious slide of the once fearsome Russian, and the clear and increased chin deficiency, or are we trying to pretend Kov was still some kind of destroyer when he fought ginger bollocks?

I told you: Canelo by KO was my prediction before that fight. And that was because Kovalev had looked so fragile since Ward took his soul. So I watch boxing and, if I'm interested, I generally get it right. What result did you pick?

[margaret thatcher]

chin wont even matter, canelo is more skilled and faster too

[danconnollyeire]

A past his best Khan outboxed him til he got caught, a way past his best Kovalev outboxed him til he ran out of energy, if a prime Bill really believes in himself, gets fit and sticks to a plan he can cause Canelo real problems

At no point did Khan outbox him. He threw fast flashy punches and his output was high which gave him rounds one and two. Canelo then figured him out and was taking over from 4 onwards. If he didn’t KO Khan, he would’ve won comfortably on points

[Ruthless-RKO]

A past his best Khan outboxed him til he got caught, a way past his best Kovalev outboxed him til he ran out of energy, if a prime Bill really believes in himself, gets fit and sticks to a plan he can cause Canelo real problems

At no point did Khan outbox him. He threw fast flashy punches and his output was high which gave him rounds one and two. Canelo then figured him out and was taking over from 4 onwards. If he didn’t KO Khan, he would’ve won comfortably on points

Plus the judges weren’t even giving Khanthe rounds that he truly won either..

[coneye]

Canelo is brilliant , a really really good fighter , I love watching him , BUIT i don't like him , hence i think the name cheatelo is more apt ,, , he does'nt back himself like great fighters do , dispite the skills and the chin , he has ,, he will only fight guys who are at Canelo weight , , on the slide , or just not on his level , he handpicks more than Mayweather ever did and whats more his managment are great at doing it ,, Plus the fact he has all the judges in his pocket and then theres the tainted meat which somehow works his way into his system ,, Overall dispite him actually being a GREAT FIGHTER ,, he is a cherry picking steroid head , who refuses to fight on an even keel .

Hence why he is going to give BJS a beatdown ,, does anyone actually believe if Saunders was has good has some are saying he would get the fight , no way , they know what Saunders is , he's just another British hype job , who was looked after by his promoter , given easy world title shots and never himself defended them against quality opposition , He's had one good fight and thats it ,, christ i'm not so sure he would beat Eubank if they had a rematch , never mind Canelo .

No BJS is part of Cheatelo's game plan to rule the division because its not a paticuly hard division rather than fight the best .. theres probably 3 or 4 other guys if they were in Billys place , Canelo would choose to give away ideas of becoming undisputed .

The only thing that makes this remotly interesting is Cheatelo himself does'nt fight top opposition when there in there prime and Saunders is in his prime years

[bigjack]

That's not true, is it? He'd been stopped twice and put over a few times, and was in serious trouble against total fraud Yarde as well before Canelo. I didn't vote Canelo by KO in the build up because I thought he'd be the guy from Ward 1. What's your point? Do you watch boxing or what?

Before Canelo ko'd him he had been ko'd once and the other i'm sure you will know was a blatant foul -do you ever watch boxing ?

As much as I liked Kov Ward had given him a decent old crack that definitely put some water in the basement before the testicle punishing finish. And do you deny the obvious slide of the once fearsome Russian, and the clear and increased chin deficiency, or are we trying to pretend Kov was still some kind of destroyer when he fought ginger bollocks?

I told you: Canelo by KO was my prediction before that fight. And that was because Kovalev had looked so fragile since Ward took his soul. So I watch boxing and, if I'm interested, I generally get it right. What result did you pick?

And yet in a previous post you said you DIDN'T predict a Canelo ko ? Kovalev did decline but when was he thought of as chinny ?

[D4v3]

Think Canelo's at the peak of his powers at this point, different level to Saunders entirely

[MightyWarrior]

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[bigjack]

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The only effect the 58 fights has had on Canelo is that it has made him the great fighter he is today,probably very close to his peak and improving all the time.

[CaptainSpacerod]

Canelo is brilliant , a really really good fighter , I love watching him , BUIT i don't like him , hence i think the name cheatelo is more apt ,, , he does'nt back himself like great fighters do , dispite the skills and the chin , he has ,, he will only fight guys who are at Canelo weight , , on the slide , or just not on his level , he handpicks more than Mayweather ever did and whats more his managment are great at doing it ,, Plus the fact he has all the judges in his pocket and then theres the tainted meat which somehow works his way into his system ,, Overall dispite him actually being a GREAT FIGHTER ,, he is a cherry picking steroid head , who refuses to fight on an even keel .

Hence why he is going to give BJS a beatdown ,, does anyone actually believe if Saunders was has good has some are saying he would get the fight , no way , they know what Saunders is , he's just another British hype job , who was looked after by his promoter , given easy world title shots and never himself defended them against quality opposition , He's had one good fight and thats it ,, christ i'm not so sure he would beat Eubank if they had a rematch , never mind Canelo .

No BJS is part of Cheatelo's game plan to rule the division because its not a paticuly hard division rather than fight the best .. theres probably 3 or 4 other guys if they were in Billys place , Canelo would choose to give away ideas of becoming undisputed .

The only thing that makes this remotly interesting is Cheatelo himself does'nt fight top opposition when there in there prime and Saunders is in his prime years

I think Saunders will give him a harder time than you think but I absolutely concur with all the points you make about Canelo. He’s undeniably a great fighter but it irks me when people reel off a list of his opponents supposedly as proof of his all time great status but don’t add context to his wins - a couple of names off the top of my head, Cotto and Moseley spring to mind, Cotto was a naturally much smaller man and past his best and Sugar Shane too was a smaller man and he was over 40 when they fought. Claiming to be a champ at LHW by beating a washed up Kovalev who’d just gone life and death with the very moderate Yarde is shockingly fraudulent but the fanboys lap it up.

[coneye]

Canelo is brilliant , a really really good fighter , I love watching him , BUIT i don't like him , hence i think the name cheatelo is more apt ,, , he does'nt back himself like great fighters do , dispite the skills and the chin , he has ,, he will only fight guys who are at Canelo weight , , on the slide , or just not on his level , he handpicks more than Mayweather ever did and whats more his managment are great at doing it ,, Plus the fact he has all the judges in his pocket and then theres the tainted meat which somehow works his way into his system ,, Overall dispite him actually being a GREAT FIGHTER ,, he is a cherry picking steroid head , who refuses to fight on an even keel .

Hence why he is going to give BJS a beatdown ,, does anyone actually believe if Saunders was has good has some are saying he would get the fight , no way , they know what Saunders is , he's just another British hype job , who was looked after by his promoter , given easy world title shots and never himself defended them against quality opposition , He's had one good fight and thats it ,, christ i'm not so sure he would beat Eubank if they had a rematch , never mind Canelo .

No BJS is part of Cheatelo's game plan to rule the division because its not a paticuly hard division rather than fight the best .. theres probably 3 or 4 other guys if they were in Billys place , Canelo would choose to give away ideas of becoming undisputed .

The only thing that makes this remotly interesting is Cheatelo himself does'nt fight top opposition when there in there prime and Saunders is in his prime years

I think Saunders will give him a harder time than you think but I absolutely concur with all the points you make about Canelo. He’s undeniably a great fighter but it irks me when people reel off a list of his opponents supposedly as proof of his all time great status but don’t add context to his wins - a couple of names off the top of my head, Cotto and Moseley spring to mind, Cotto was a naturally much smaller man and past his best and Sugar Shane too was a smaller man and he was over 40 when they fought. Claiming to be a champ at LHW by beating a washed up Kovalev who’d just gone life and death with the very moderate Yarde is shockingly fraudulent but the fanboys lap it up.

Think we pretty much agree on Cheatelo ,, regars Saunders , i think he may have done better if he stayed in shape and fought more regular , but it seems to me he spends half his camps just getting in condition and losing weight thats valuable time that should be spent on drills , and boxing technique . ect ect I think he'll do OK for 4-6 rnds I would'nt put too much money on a Canelo win by stoppage , but i do think if Billy goes past 6 rnds , he'll start to get a substancle beating .

[Deserter]

A past his best Khan outboxed him til he got caught, a way past his best Kovalev outboxed him til he ran out of energy, if a prime Bill really believes in himself, gets fit and sticks to a plan he can cause Canelo real problems

At no point did Khan outbox him. He threw fast flashy punches and his output was high which gave him rounds one and two. Canelo then figured him out and was taking over from 4 onwards. If he didn’t KO Khan, he would’ve won comfortably on points

I was in Vegas for that one and also subsequently watched it on TV, and have to say that interpretation doesn't bear any resemblance to the fight I saw. Canelo was starting to time Khan and get closer, but Khan was definitely outboxing Canelo over the first half of the fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Billy Joe Saunders says there’s no rematch clause for his May 8th fight against superstar Canelo Alvarez.

The fact that Canelo (55-1-2, 37 KOs) has chosen not to bother including a rematch clause in his contract with WBO super middleweight champion Saunders (30-0, 14 KOs) shows you how confident he is of winning.



Billy Joe wants a fair decision

“He’s the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world,” said Saunders to Pep Talk UK about Canelo. “He came out the other week [against Avni Yildirim], and he shined like a star that he is. I’m looking forward to getting in the ring with him.

“No, he’s seen and done it all. You can’t play with him,” said Saunders when asked if he’ll play mind games with Canelo. “He’s been at the highest level. He’s been there and done it.

“If you play mind games, you’re playing with yourself because they’ll be bouncing all around and bouncing back at you. There are three champions at the weight [168], and we’ll see who the best is.

“There’s no rematch clause for him,” said Saunders about his match against Canelo.

“A lot of things have happened in boxing where I should have gone out of the game a long time ago. I always bounce back and come back for a reason. I believe this is the reason.

“The fights got to be one. I want a fair decision,” said Saunders

[Jimmy2020]

Why would Canelo need a rematch clause in any contract? He's the biggest draw in the game. Even losing to Saunders wouldn't change that.

[cormack]

Blow Job Saunders has been inactive and has fought mediocre opposition for years .

perfect prep for Canelo

[Terminator666]

I’m interested to read views from anyone Who voted for Saunders?

[bigjack]

Blow Job Saunders has been inactive and has fought mediocre opposition for years .

perfect prep for Canelo

How many of Saunder's opponent would Canelo have struggled with or gone to split decisions/close wins over ?

[Covfefe]

Just heard this has been made. Really looking forward to this. Fancy a decent fight for eight rounds.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think this will be very one sided. Saunders will not be able to outbox Canrlo, after a few rounds he will be in survival mode, and will have to get on his bike. Canelo is on a different level.